gmacw Posted January 1, 2012 Share Posted January 1, 2012 I ran 10 controllers (160 channels) this season on one network while also running 12 CCRs. All this was with the CAT5 cables , all ran flawlessly. So I don't think speed is an issue. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caniac Posted January 1, 2012 Share Posted January 1, 2012 dgrant wrote: My thoughts are talking to the controllers via a network is much faster than going to RS485 but only if a high-speed network is used. Before I retired, now the year before last, we did super high speed data acquisition via lan based communications. We also had RS485 but that was way to slow for what we needed. Now whether this speed enhancement is needed for LOR controllers or not, I simply don't know till I receive the controllers and start working with them. Its very possible, RS485 is more than fast enough. Via software, you could easily program the IP addressing, just as easy as setting RS485 addressing and considering they are already using Cat5 network cabling.IP addressing adds a whole different level of complexity not necessary for this hobby. This is not a high speed data network where gigabytes/terabytes of data are needing to be manipulated. As is this stuff is pretty much plug and play without the need to add switches and routers to the equation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
plasmadrive Posted January 2, 2012 Share Posted January 2, 2012 I ordered my entire show system from Wow Lights during the sale last year. Software, controllers, ELLs, Strobes and even a couple of arches. They were very easy to deal with, everything came package nicely and quickly. They have been quite nice to deal with.I ordered some 50 strobes from them as well and 2 went bad. I received the strobes in March or there abouts. When I emailed them asking if there was a warranty, they said " even though the warranty is only 90 days, if they failed in the first season they would replace them no problem. Mike stepped up when he really didn't have to. It isn't the $$ amount, it was the service that I was impressed by.I recommend them from the dealings I have had with them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caniac Posted January 2, 2012 Share Posted January 2, 2012 plasmadrive wrote: I ordered my entire show system from Wow Lights during the sale last year. Software, controllers, ELLs, Strobes and even a couple of arches. They were very easy to deal with, everything came package nicely and quickly. They have been quite nice to deal with.I ordered some 50 strobes from them as well and 2 went bad. I received the strobes in March or there abouts. When I emailed them asking if there was a warranty, they said " even though the warranty is only 90 days, if they failed in the first season they would replace them no problem. Mike stepped up when he really didn't have to. It isn't the $$ amount, it was the service that I was impressed by.I recommend them from the dealings I have had with them.I had the same experience with these folks, they were great. Must have made 20 calls to them with tons of questions trying to figure this all out and decide if I want to join this madness. They were great, supportive of good ideas I have had and pointed out flaws in others. Always polite and courteous. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
l0chte Posted January 2, 2012 Share Posted January 2, 2012 I can see it now... LOR Hacking via the internet.. ;p Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest wbottomley Posted January 2, 2012 Share Posted January 2, 2012 l0chte wrote:I can see it now... LOR Hacking via the internet.. ;pThat would be something I would do for pure fun. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Donny M. Carter Posted January 2, 2012 Share Posted January 2, 2012 wbottomley wrote:l0chte wrote:I can see it now... LOR Hacking via the internet.. ;pThat would be something I would do for pure fun. There is something wrong with you my friend! :shock: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest wbottomley Posted January 2, 2012 Share Posted January 2, 2012 Donny M. Carter wrote:wbottomley wrote:l0chte wrote:I can see it now... LOR Hacking via the internet.. ;pThat would be something I would do for pure fun. There is something wrong with you my friend! :shock:We're supposed to have fun doing this right? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TGabriel Posted January 2, 2012 Share Posted January 2, 2012 It will be just like putting the blinkie blub in someone static display and taking hours to find it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrownOut Posted January 2, 2012 Share Posted January 2, 2012 wbottomley wrote: l0chte wrote:I can see it now... LOR Hacking via the internet.. ;pThat would be something I would do for pure fun. Hello LOR support. My 12 CCR tree is displaying ads for a porn site. How much is the SuperStar malware remover? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caniac Posted January 2, 2012 Share Posted January 2, 2012 l0chte wrote: I can see it now... LOR Hacking via the internet.. ;pdumber things have happened! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest wbottomley Posted January 2, 2012 Share Posted January 2, 2012 BrownOut wrote:wbottomley wrote: l0chte wrote:I can see it now... LOR Hacking via the internet.. ;pThat would be something I would do for pure fun. Hello LOR support. My 12 CCR tree is displaying ads for a porn site. How much is the SuperStar malware remover?+1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caniac Posted January 2, 2012 Share Posted January 2, 2012 BrownOut wrote: wbottomley wrote: l0chte wrote:I can see it now... LOR Hacking via the internet.. ;pThat would be something I would do for pure fun. Hello LOR support. My 12 CCR tree is displaying ads for a porn site. How much is the SuperStar malware remover?roflmao Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dgrant Posted January 2, 2012 Author Share Posted January 2, 2012 Come on guys...apparently some here don't know what an iso network is and automatically assume its connected to the outside world. I hear the fun in the comments and so on, ok. I was simply saying that a network based communication is much faster than RS485. RS485 does make it easier to setup except for cabling but LOR has apparently found a way to handle the cabling issue...cool for them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caniac Posted January 2, 2012 Share Posted January 2, 2012 dgrant wrote: Come on guys...apparently some here don't know what an iso network is and automatically assume its connected to the outside world. I hear the fun in the comments and so on, ok. I was simply saying that a network based communication is much faster than RS485. RS485 does make it easier to setup except for cabling but LOR has apparently found a way to handle the cabling issue...cool for them.and a Cray computer would process LOR commands faster but is there a need for that kind of power for this? No!This hobby isn't one that would benefit with gigabit speeds, we need CCB's and brighter CCF's. New wilder more incredible shows are what fuels this?Take a look at Cracker's Halloween display this year and the 25,000 Angry Birds display at Christmas then tell us how that would benefit greater from an IP network over RS485. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest wbottomley Posted January 2, 2012 Share Posted January 2, 2012 dgrant wrote:Come on guys...apparently some here don't know what an iso network is and automatically assume its connected to the outside world. I hear the fun in the comments and so on, ok. I was simply saying that a network based communication is much faster than RS485. RS485 does make it easier to setup except for cabling but LOR has apparently found a way to handle the cabling issue...cool for them.There's no need to reinvent the wheel because it's not broken. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Donny M. Carter Posted January 2, 2012 Share Posted January 2, 2012 What are ya'll talking about?Donny Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
l0chte Posted January 2, 2012 Share Posted January 2, 2012 wbottomley wrote:Donny M. Carter wrote:wbottomley wrote:l0chte wrote:I can see it now... LOR Hacking via the internet.. ;pThat would be something I would do for pure fun. There is something wrong with you my friend! :shock:We're supposed to have fun doing this right? Lol, thanks for the laughs guys! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 2, 2012 Share Posted January 2, 2012 And don't forget now that LOR would be internet based, now you going to have very SLOW shows because you're going to have to invest and put not only malware protection into your LOR firmware, but virus protection too. And I've seen these programs bring some computers to a crawl or even a standstill while they do their checking/cleaning.I've heard some horror stories how some virii can literally destroy a computer motherboard or render a monitor completely useless.Maybe I'd be safe because I don't run my show from a computer, but a DC-MP3 Showtime Director, so if LOR went the internet route with IP address and such, wouldn't that now render all these "director units" that some of us use totally useless if that WERE a requirement to establish and run your shows?I'm with WB, if it ain't broke it don't need fixing.And we like it just as it is, it works and it works fantastic. And LOR always looks at ways to improve the electronics, like with the new G3 Controllers a lot of store bought strings that require snubbers, well, now they don't need them.But I don't see a need for complex network connections to make this work.Many of us when we started in this had a hard enough time grasping how to get this too work and put on at least a somewhat passable show our first time, and if LOR went to that protocol, I'd wager many of the new folks that came in may have never gotten their show off the ground. I know I wouldn't, and I'm pretty certain I'm not alone in that thought.As it is, LOR is not exactly plug and play, but neither is it really complex, it seems like it to a first time user, but within a few hours or a couple days and using it, you get the hang of it fairly quick. But this ISP route I think would be far too detrimental to this particular hobby just by the sheer number of new folks that came in last year in 2011. I'd say many of them NEVER would have even gotten a simple show off the ground if LOR were using what you're proposing they use.Personally, if they want to add it, that's fine, but make it an option not a requirement for those that want to do it that way. Although I think you're going to find and from the current responses, most that use LOR software/hardware don't want it, nor do they see a need for it. And with those folks I agree.Well, got too darn long winded again....but just had to put my thoughts into perspective on what I consider a bad idea. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Donny M. Carter Posted January 2, 2012 Share Posted January 2, 2012 Now I really don't understand! :shock: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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