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We just put up our tree yesterday. I went into the HU setup and changed the pixie configuration to 100 lights per channel keeping the logical resolution to 50. We connected 2 lengths of CCB's end to end starting with the male plug bottom left of the tree of the first 50 pixels going up and the second string of 50 pixels at starting at the top of the tree going down for channel 1. So there are a total of 32 strings on 16 channels. This was repeated 15 more times 180 degrees around the tree.

I have something wrong because while testing all the "up strings" were working but none of the "down strings" lit up. In the preview I'm using the following:

  • Tree 180
  • 100 RGB nodes per string
  • 1 Fold
  • the Unit ID's in the preview look like this - 01, 03, 05, 07, 09, 0B, 0D, 0F, 11, 13, 15, 17, 19, 1B, 1D, 1F

What could I be missing?

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When you assign a Pixie16 a unit ID you will only assign the first ID, in your case 01. The software automatically assigns the other 15 IDs in order. The first 100 pixels on port 1 will use ID 01, the next 100 pixels on port 2 will use ID 02 and so on.

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29 minutes ago, MSB said:

We just put up our tree yesterday. I went into the HU setup and changed the pixie configuration to 100 lights per channel keeping the logical resolution to 50. We connected 2 lengths of CCB's end to end starting with the male plug bottom left of the tree of the first 50 pixels going up and the second string of 50 pixels at starting at the top of the tree going down for channel 1. So there are a total of 32 strings on 16 channels. This was repeated 15 more times 180 degrees around the tree.

I have something wrong because while testing all the "up strings" were working but none of the "down strings" lit up. In the preview I'm using the following:

  • Tree 180
  • 100 RGB nodes per string
  • 1 Fold
  • the Unit ID's in the preview look like this - 01, 03, 05, 07, 09, 0B, 0D, 0F, 11, 13, 15, 17, 19, 1B, 1D, 1F

What could I be missing?

Well that didnt go well with my comment

What my friend above is correct. 

Your unit ID's should be 1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9,0A,0B,0C,0D,0E,0F,10

JR

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The software assigned those Unit ID's. I will manually assign them as you suggested and give it a try tomorrow and report back. Thanks!

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10 hours ago, dibblejr said:

Well that didnt go well with my comment

What my friend above is correct. 

Your unit ID's should be 1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9,0A,0B,0C,0D,0E,0F,10

JR

I chose enter a channel on every row. Unit ID'S as suggested. Start Circuit 1, End Circuit 150, carryover 150.   When I updated the prop I got a bunch of channel conflict warnings. Still missing something.

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4 hours ago, MSB said:

I chose enter a channel on every row. Unit ID'S as suggested. Start Circuit 1, End Circuit 150, carryover 150.   When I updated the prop I got a bunch of channel conflict warnings. Still missing something.

Yes, on my cell phone I totally missed you had folds. My bad. Thats why you got the channel conflicts. I am assuming the conflicts were the every other unit ID you were missing in the original post.

Its way to late now. If I have internet in the am I will see if I can design your tree or if I get the same results.

Does it work in the preview? If it does I probably wont have an answer because I do not have the physical lights. If it doesnt work in the preview I can see. When you say errors I am thinking that the preview hasnt worked either.

JR

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4 hours ago, dibblejr said:

Does it work in the preview? If it does I probably wont have an answer because I do not have the physical lights. If it doesnt work in the preview I can see. When you say errors I am thinking that the preview hasnt worked either.

JR

It worked in the preview with the settings I started the post with when I ran a simple animation sequence plugged into the tree with motion control tests sequences only the up lights worked, not the down lights.

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Just now, dibblejr said:

Yes, on my cell phone I totally missed you had folds. My bad. Thats why you got the channel conflicts. I am assuming the conflicts were the every other unit ID you were missing in the original post.

Its way to late now. If I have internet in the am I will see if I can design your tree or if I get the same results.

Does it work in the preview? If it does I probably wont have an answer because I do not have the physical lights. If it doesnt work in the preview I can see. When you say errors I am thinking that the preview hasnt worked either.

JR

 

1 hour ago, MSB said:

It worked in the preview with the settings I started the post with when I ran a simple animation sequence plugged into the tree with motion control tests sequences only the up lights worked, not the down lights.

If it works in the preview it should work in the prop. Since it doesn't that would mean something in either your physical settings. 

Have you went in to the HU pixie configuration tab and tried to check the reverse order button on the down strings? All of my pixie controllers are running the same firmware as when I built them therefore I do not have the configuration screen that allows me to set them in reverse order.

You may have to set this up in a custom prop and place the individual nodes where you need them. 

One of the work arounds I discovered during beta testing the pixie16 was I could do things by setting it up as a pixcon16 in SE using LOR protocol only. DO not attempt to run it as DMX by connecting it to a ethernet port, it will instantly fry it. The pixcon16 has the ability to snake or sigzag the strings. 

With that being said I do not see a way in S5 that actually lets you select a pixie16 vs a pixcon16. All I have seen is i the prop def screen where it asks controller type LOR/ DMX/ Undecided so not sure if that even matters in S5.

You could also compare the settings of your tree by creating a new preview and download the LOR 16X25 which is what you are attempting to do to compare the settings in the prop def. Its a pixie 8 that creates 16 strings this has been out before S5 so I know it can be done. Brian created the vis file for the LOR tree. 

 

JR

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16 hours ago, MSB said:

It worked in the preview with the settings I started the post with when I ran a simple animation sequence plugged into the tree with motion control tests sequences only the up lights worked, not the down lights.

Through a problem I had today I may have a solution or at least something for you to try.

Leave your S5 settings the way you have it with the fold.

On the ports that do not light , go in to the HU and in the ccr/pixie config tab select "reverse" in them ports.

I spent a lot of time with a very similar but different problem and thought about your thread all day. 

Hopefully this works for you. if you don't mind updating the results.

JR

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I tried reversing the alternate ports and that did not work. Then I opened up the preview again and found the problem. It's obvious as heck once you know what to look for. Here's the setup.

SHAPE

  • Actual # of Strings -16
  • Exact # of RGB Nodes per string - 100
  • # of Folds in each String - 1
  • Truncate Cone % - 10

CHANNELS

  • LOR   Max Circuit 150 is WRONG should be 300
  • Enter channel on first row, auto-number the rest

I set Channel 1 Network Reg, Unit ID 01, Start Circuit 1, End Circuit 300, Carry Over 0 (This will be changing for the final show and just used for testing with my laptop)

The remaining Unit ID's auto-numbered 02, 03, 04, 05, 06, 07, 08, 09, 0A, 0B, 0C, 0D, 0E, 0F, 10

50 Pixels = 150 circuits 50R, 50G, 50B, 100 Pixels = 300 circuits. 

I ran a test animation using multiple motion control effects changing every 4 seconds and the tree looks fantastic! I made a quick phone video if you want to check it out.

Greg

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bonjour
je rencontre le meme probleme
j ai un pixie 16
je n'arrive pas a faire fonctionnre 2 cordons de 50 leds ws2811 ensemble
quand je connecte un cordon pas de probleme
quand je connecte les 2 cordons le premier s allume bien sur les 50 leds mais le deuxieme ne s'allume pas du tout
est il possible de brancher un cordon de 100 leds ws2811
j'utilise le s4 4.40  licence pro
si vous pouviez me donner plus d'explication
je ne trouve pas l'endroit dans le hardware pour passer a 300
j ai construit un arbre de 16 cordons de 100 leds ws2811
maisil 'y a  que les premieres 50 leds s'allume sur les 16 cordons
avez vous une solution a me proposer
merci a ceux qui vont me répondre

Hello
I have the same problem
i have a pixie 16
I can't get 2 cords of 50 leds ws2811 to work together
when I connect a cord no problem
when I connect the 2 cords the first one lights up on the 50 leds but the second one does not light up at all
is it possible to connect a cord of 100 leds ws2811
I use the s4 4.40 pro license
if you could give me more explanation
I can not find the place in the hardware to go to 300
I built a tree of 16 cords of 100 leds ws2811
but the first 50 leds light up on the 16 cords
do you have a solution for me
thank you to those who will answer me

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It's not in hardware. It's in your preview in version 5 for the S5 prop.

Greg

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18 hours ago, pouney91 said:

bonjour
je rencontre le meme probleme
j ai un pixie 16
je n'arrive pas a faire fonctionnre 2 cordons de 50 leds ws2811 ensemble
quand je connecte un cordon pas de probleme
quand je connecte les 2 cordons le premier s allume bien sur les 50 leds mais le deuxieme ne s'allume pas du tout
est il possible de brancher un cordon de 100 leds ws2811
j'utilise le s4 4.40  licence pro
si vous pouviez me donner plus d'explication
je ne trouve pas l'endroit dans le hardware pour passer a 300
j ai construit un arbre de 16 cordons de 100 leds ws2811
maisil 'y a  que les premieres 50 leds s'allume sur les 16 cordons
avez vous une solution a me proposer
merci a ceux qui vont me répondre

Hello
I have the same problem
i have a pixie 16
I can't get 2 cords of 50 leds ws2811 to work together
when I connect a cord no problem
when I connect the 2 cords the first one lights up on the 50 leds but the second one does not light up at all
is it possible to connect a cord of 100 leds ws2811
I use the s4 4.40 pro license
if you could give me more explanation
I can not find the place in the hardware to go to 300
I built a tree of 16 cords of 100 leds ws2811
but the first 50 leds light up on the 16 cords
do you have a solution for me
thank you to those who will answer me

1- what is your pixie firmware version ? Look in HU

2- whole in HU set the controller to 100 pixels per port - Configuration/ CCR / pixie 

3- put logical resolution on same page back to 50- common problem when people panic and set that to 100- ensure it is on 50

NP- ensure 500k enhanced for the network which it is assigned

SE- build it correctly

Right click a channel

Insert Device - above/ below

Give it a name

Uncheck use the channel button box

Select pixie 2/4/8/16

Select pixie16

rgb/RGB/rgb

select the network

enter

If you do

all of that you will have lights - if everything works

 

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bonjour dibblejr

hu 01.pixie16ver 1.05
controleur a 100 pixel
résolutiont sur 50
réseau a 500.0kfasted
se nouvelle séquence annimation
pixie 16 insérer
renomé arbres 16
bouton canal décoché
rvb rvb rvb 
réseau regulier
entré
j ai suivi a la lettre toutes vos explications
mais je n ai toujours que le premier cordon de 50 leds qui s'allume
quand je suis dans le hu et que je fais un test mes 100 leds s'allume une par une sans probleme
avez vous une autre solution a me proposer
 

hello dibblejr

hu 01.pixie16ver 1.05
100 pixel controller
resolution of 50
network has 500.0kfasted
new animation sequence
pixie 16 insert
famous trees 16
channel button not checked
rgb rgb rgb
regular network
Between
I followed all your explanations to the letter
but I still only have the first 50 led cord that lights up
when I am in the hu and I do a test my 100 leds light up one by one without any problem
do you have another solution to offer me

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je cherche a allumé un cordon de 100 leds sur un canal
exemple
pixie 01 port 1pixel  100 leds
pixie 01 port 2 pixel 100 leds
 

I'm looking for a 100 led cord on a channel
example
pixie 01 port 1pixel 100 leds
pixie 01 port 2 pixel 100 leds

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5 hours ago, pouney91 said:

je cherche a allumé un cordon de 100 leds sur un canal
exemple
pixie 01 port 1pixel  100 leds
pixie 01 port 2 pixel 100 leds
 

I'm looking for a 100 led cord on a channel
example
pixie 01 port 1pixel 100 leds
pixie 01 port 2 pixel 100 leds

If you put the jumper on that LOR sent , please remove the jumper.

The directions say to install it but some people have had problems and after I ask them to remove it the 100-170 pixels work.

Let me know if that works

JR

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bonjour dibblejr
merci pour votre réponse
j ai donc enlever le cavalier 
pas de changement
mais maintenant mes leds rouges s'allume en roseet scintille
j ai donc remis le cavalier et mes leds s'allume toujours en rose et scintille
les leds vertes et les bleus fonctionne avec la bonne couleur
mais elle scintille aussi maintenant
que faire
pour cette année je pense que je vais resté sur un abre de pixel a 50 leds
j ai beaucoup de mal avec le s5 et plus le temps de chercher
avez vous une solution pour retrouver les couleurs normal et qui ne scintille plus
merci du temps que vous consacré a aider les personne du forum

Hello dibblejr
thank you for your reply
So I took off the jumper
no change
but now my red leds light up pink and sparkle
I therefore put the jumper back on and my leds always light up in pink and sparkle
the green and blue leds work with the correct color
but she also sparkles now
what to do
for this year i think i will stay on a 50 led pixel abre
I have a lot of trouble with the s5 and no more time to search
do you have a solution to find the colors normal and which no longer sparkles
thank you for the time you spent helping the forum people

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bonjour greg
je n'utilise pas le s5
je suis avec le s4 440
merci

hello greg
I don't use the s5
I am with the s4 440
thank you

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You must have the sparkle and pink selected in the test box in the test selection.

Turn those off.

When you set it up in the add new device and selected pixie 16 did you set the number of pixels to 100?

Open the sequence, how many pixels do you count per port?

You have to set the 100 in the HU and the while adding the device.

JR

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bonjour
tout est rentré dans l'orde
j ai fait un reset du pixie 16 et mes leds refonctionne normalement 
avec les bonnes couleurs et plus de scintillement
dans le pixie j ai bien configurer sur 100 pixels et 50 en résolution
dans la séquence de l'arbre les 12 cordons son bien sur 100 pixels
je commence a installer mon spectacle,donc tant pis
pour cette année je vais resté avec mon arbre de 12 cordons de 50 leds
si je peux me permetre je vous reconctacterais aprés les fetes de noel et du jour de l'an
merci encore pour votre aide 
passer de bonnes fetes de fin d année,malgré ce covid 
faite attention a vous et a toutes votre famille
cordialement

Hello
everything is in order
I reset the pixie 16 and my leds work normally
with the right colors and more sparkle
in the pixie I have configured well on 100 pixels and 50 in resolution
in the sequence of the tree the 12 cords are well on 100 pixels
I'm starting to set up my show, so too bad
for this year I will stay with my tree of 12 cords of 50 leds
if I may allow myself I will get back to you after the Christmas and New Years holidays
Thank you again for your help
have a good end of year holiday, despite this covid
take care of yourself and all your family
cordially
 

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If you have s5, try setting up your prop as I suggested and export it as a visualizer file for use in s4. I don't have access to s4 anymore to try that.

Greg

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bonjour greg
j ai le s5 instaler sur un autre ordinateur
mais je n ai pas tout compris dans le s5
je n'arrive pas a trouver comment mettre mon pixie 16 dedans
le s5 est quand meme bien différent du s4
dur dur de s'abituer a mon age
mais je vais essayer 
donc il faut que je fasse une séquence musical avec le séquencer s5
et ensuite l'enregister dans le visualiseur pour pouvoir la transférer dans le s4
sauf que le s4 ne prend pas en charge les fichiers loredit
j'essaye et je vous tient au courant
laisser moi quelque jours
j ai commencer a installer mon sectacle 
merci de m'aider
cordialement

hello greg
I have the s5 installed on another computer
but i didn't understand everything in the s5
i cant figure out how to put my pixie 16 in it
the s5 is still very different from the s4
hard to get used to my age
but I will try
so I have to make a musical sequence with the s5 sequencer
and then save it in the viewer to be able to transfer it to the s4
except that the s4 does not support loredit files
I try and I keep you posted
leave me a few days
I started to install my sectacle
thank you for helping me
cordially

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9 hours ago, pouney91 said:

bonjour greg
j ai le s5 instaler sur un autre ordinateur
mais je n ai pas tout compris dans le s5
je n'arrive pas a trouver comment mettre mon pixie 16 dedans
le s5 est quand meme bien différent du s4
dur dur de s'abituer a mon age
mais je vais essayer 
donc il faut que je fasse une séquence musical avec le séquencer s5
et ensuite l'enregister dans le visualiseur pour pouvoir la transférer dans le s4
sauf que le s4 ne prend pas en charge les fichiers loredit
j'essaye et je vous tient au courant
laisser moi quelque jours
j ai commencer a installer mon sectacle 
merci de m'aider
cordialement

hello greg
I have the s5 installed on another computer
but i didn't understand everything in the s5
i cant figure out how to put my pixie 16 in it
the s5 is still very different from the s4
hard to get used to my age
but I will try
so I have to make a musical sequence with the s5 sequencer
and then save it in the viewer to be able to transfer it to the s4
except that the s4 does not support loredit files
I try and I keep you posted
leave me a few days
I started to install my sectacle
thank you for helping me
cordially

As far as i know, you cannot use an S5 prop file in S4 Vis. I find the S4 vis much easier to use - for some reason. I guess thats where my roots are planted.

You can export a loredit file in the new versions of S5

open s5 sequence, under File, export as LMS

However if the sequence contains ME rows, it will not export the ME rows.

Personally I tested the export to LMS between my two computers and the sequence did not look like it was sup to. This may have been fixed by now though.

Best of luck

JR

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bonjour

je reviens vers vous
je pense que pour passer mes cordes a 100 leds je me trompe aussi
Ces cavaliers remplaceront ceux
paramètres réglables par Hardware Utility. Sauteur
1 est le plus proche de l'extrémité étiquetée JP5.
Jumper Ce qu'il fait
J1 WS28118, BRG, 50 pixels
J2 WS2801, RVB, 50 pixels
J3 WS28118, RVB, 100 pixels
L'utilitaire matériel est utilisé pour configurer la mise sous tension
configuration du contrôleur. Des paramètres
configuré ci-dessous, seule la résolution logique / l'état de basculement peut être modifiée à la volée en séquences, et
uniquement en mode de compatibilité CCR. Tous les autres
les paramètres sont définis par et ne peuvent être modifiés que par
l'utilitaire matériel.
Cliquez sur le bouton Actualiser pour trouver votre contrôleur. le
le contrôleur doit apparaître dans le menu déroulant de la
à droite du bouton Actualiser pour continuer.
Les contrôleurs Cosmic Color Pixie sont configurés
via une fenêtre pop-up accessible depuis le LOR
Onglet Contrôle. Tout d'abord, cliquez sur l'onglet Contrôle LOR, puis
cliquez sur le bouton Config en bas de la fenêtre
vous verrez la fenêtre suivante
sur jp5 il n'y avait pas de cavalier quand j'ai recu la carte
quel est l emplacement exat pour mettre le cavalier sur j3 pour passer a 100 leds

Hello
I come back to you
I think that to pass my strings to 100 leds I am also wrong
These riders will replace those
parameters adjustable by Hardware Utility. Jumper
1 is closest to the end labeled JP5.
Jumper What he does
J1 WS28118, BRG, 50 pixels
J2 WS2801, RGB, 50 pixels
J3 WS28118, RGB, 100 pixels
The hardware utility is used to configure the power on
controller configuration. Parameters
configured below, only logical resolution / failover state can be changed on the fly in sequences, and
only in CCR compatibility mode. All the others
the parameters are defined by and can only be changed by
the hardware utility.
Click the Refresh button to find your controller. the
the controller should appear in the drop-down menu of the
to the right of the Refresh button to continue.
Cosmic Color Pixie controllers are configured
via a pop-up window accessible from the LOR
Control tab. First, click on the LOR Control tab, then
click on the Config button at the bottom of the window
you will see the following window
on jp5 there was no jumper when I received the card
what is the exat location to put the jumper on j3 to switch to 100 leds

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