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ok here is a really wierd thing. i have a brand new kitchen, lights are on there own dedicated breaker. lights are controlled by levitron digital pushbutton dimmers. press once they dim up slowly, press again and the dim off slowly. i thought i had a short in the wiring because they were blinking alot but i noticed that they only blink when my show is running. i have tested this therory several times by starting and stopping the show and it only happens when the show is running. i have a 200amp service and i am hardwired to each controller so its not a wireless issue. i am stumped how to fix this issue and im looking for a advanced person to help me with an answer. thanks

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Do the "blink" or just flicker slightly?

Ours will flicker slightly at certain parts of the show, when I'm flashing lots of lights on and off at the same time. I tend not to do that much, though (I find it gets visually tiresome) so I don't see much flicker inside...

I don't think there's much of a cure, just like when your lights dim momentarilly when your AC kicks in in the summertime...

-Tim

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Honestly, if it were my house, I would stop the show and call a pro.

Probably not what you wanted to hear; just my 2 cents.

Cheers,
Charlie

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LightORamaDan

FDNY260 wrote:

they kinda fliker.


How much current do you draw with your show? In our house, all the lights and and old TV are in sync with the lights but we were pushing 340+ amps of lights in the show.

I would guess that the dimmer switch is getting some type of feedback from the LOR controllers and that is causing the flicker. Especially if these are the only lights with a problem.

Dan
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I have the same problem with all the lights in the house this year. My show draws 154A when all lights are on, and the Mega Trees each draw up to 48A. When I have them doing fast color changes or changing colors back and forth, the house lights flicker. I'll have to get used to it for the month of December.

D.T.

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Glad this topic came up, thought we were having problems, the same things happens when my show is going. Since breakers are not being thrown I'm not going to worry about it.;)

Ben

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Mountainwxman wrote:

That's a new secret feature in LOR II. ;)

Sorry Mountain, that feature was in LOR I, you just missed it :D
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it does that here as well.. we're getting a new distribution panel after the holidays, but the house was built in the 60s so who knows if adding anouther 50 amps and more breakers (for the show of course) will help the problem..

btw i'm only drawing <30 amp when all the lights are on (and it only flickers when there is a shimmer or twinkle... mostly shimmer)

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I have that problem this year as well. Never had it in the past and the only new objects are 1 new wireframe and about 20 LED strings.

Someone mentioned that a Dimmer getting old could get interference from LOR maybe? My lights are on a dimmer that is probably 10 years old. and it is the only lights are are effected.


May have to swap out the dimmer and see what happens.

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Bob VandenBoom

It is pretty common to have lights dim to the beat of sequenced lights when a bunch are being switched at the same time. I refuse to acknwledge it at our house. The kids say "Dad, the lights are blinking again", and i just act like ther are imagining things. They get a kick out of it and I know the show is still going on. Like Tim, I try limiting this, but there are a couple spots where I just can't resist.

As far as the digital dimmer goes, are the lights actually flickering all the way off and on instead of simply dimming a bit to the beat? It may be the internal circuitry of the dimmer. It is probably internally regulated, but an abrupt change in current may walk through the regulator and throw the circuitry for a loop, making it think it is supposed to be doin something it's not. Even if the lights are on thier own breaker, a load on the main power will draw down all circuits. Think of flushing a toilet when you're in the shower.

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Hey, the same thing is happeming to me and my wife is driving me crazy... no tonly that, she claims that the LOR boxes are damaging the microwave oven, the washing machine, etc... all because the lights are flickering during the shows, all over the house. Anyway, does any of you have any suggestions on how to stop this problem?

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Bob VandenBoom

With your wife? Send her to her mother's.

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aponce16 wrote:

Hey, the same thing is happeming to me and my wife is driving me crazy... no tonly that, she claims that the LOR boxes are damaging the microwave oven, the washing machine, etc... all because the lights are flickering during the shows, all over the house. Anyway, does any of you have any suggestions on how to stop this problem?


Seriously, I would call a professional electrician (I am repeating myself, aren't I -- I'll shut up now).

Cheers!
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Push Eject wrote:

aponce16 wrote:
Hey, the same thing is happeming to me and my wife is driving me crazy... no tonly that, she claims that the LOR boxes are damaging the microwave oven, the washing machine, etc... all because the lights are flickering during the shows, all over the house. Anyway, does any of you have any suggestions on how to stop this problem?


Seriously, I would call a professional electrician (I am repeating myself, aren't I -- I'll shut up now).

Cheers!


Although it's never a bad idea to be safe, virtually all of us with more than a few lights are seeing this issue... It's normal to have a little flicker (blinking or serious flicker would be a different story). Don't your house lights dim slightly in the summer when the AC kicks in?

-Tim
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Tim Fischer wrote:

Don't your house lights dim slightly in the summer when the AC kicks in?

You're right, they do.

Charlie
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we havbe this same problem, but with a twist, our neighbors lights dim too.

we brought in an electrician, and he noticed that our street has about 11 houses on one transformer. we are drawing more power than ther tranformer can handle, he suggested to call the power company and 90% of the time they will put in a larger transformer. we have yet to call the power company, but its on our to do list



bob

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robert cox wrote:

we havbe this same problem, but with a twist, our neighbors lights dim too.

we brought in an electrician, and he noticed that our street has about 11 houses on one transformer. we are drawing more power than ther tranformer can handle, he suggested to call the power company and 90% of the time they will put in a larger transformer. we have yet to call the power company, but its on our to do list



bob

Now THATS what I call a Christmas Display!
Dimming the whole neighborhood!

:cool:
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HEY , I FOUND A WAY TO STOP THE FLICKERING OF LIGHTS INSIDE OF THE HOUSE...

Okay, after reading the post here, seems obvious that no one had a definitive answer to this problem so after rocking my mind for a day or two I finally got it.

Okay, this is what you do.

1. Stop all shows

2. Start the LOR Hardware Utility and Press the refresh so it can identify all your boxes

4. The at the bottom, press the Configure option and when you get there set the intensity range from 100% to 86% Maximun and the 10% Minimun power. Pick each unit at the time, one by one pressing update every time . Do this procedure with each box, then exit the Hardware Utility.

5 After all of the Units are take care off, run your show, call your wife to where the lights were flickering (in my case all over the house) and show her the good news.

I am very confident that that should work for all of you having this problem. I want all of you to have a Merry Christmas and a Great New Year.

Alex from Eugene, Oregon

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In case anyone doesn't realize it, the above solution means your lights won't burn quite as bright, and they won't ever be totally off without killing the power to the controllers. I also don't think CTB-08's have this capability...

-Tim

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I tried with the lights at 10%min 86%max. for a day. It also works with the lights at 0% min 86%max. I ran the show that way and you don't ever see any difference when the light are all at max power (program wise is 100 but the box only delivers 86% max) believe me. No difference what so ever. Well, maybe one difference---

NO FLICKERING INSIDE THE HOUSE DRIVING US CRAZY

I believe it is worth a try, if it doesn't work for your system you can always go back to your normal settings. oh, by the way, when the box runs at the 10-86% ratio you always see a bit of light on some lights (the minis that come in groups of 20 - I guess because the use a lot less power than the 100 bundles) however, when the whole show ends all lights go 100% off.

anyway, just try the 0% - 86% power ratio if you have the flickering problem - believe me you got a lot more to gain trying it than not.

Any questions?

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