gigogig Posted May 24, 2012 Posted May 24, 2012 To Christmas and Halloween communities, Originally, I started a project of doing an internet based mini. The idea was simple; do a mini that anyone could attend from anywhere using conferencing software. The hope was to be able to have experts in any particular part of our hobby be able to present to anyone, not just those that were close to them. I had hoped that by doing this we could grow our communities and be able to better include people that weren’t close to large cities. However, the idea quickly got bigger than what could be done in a day, then a weekend, and even a week. So, a new plan was devised, mini minis. The idea is to have two to four one-hour presentations, followed up by one to two hours of discussions (via webcams, voice and text). So that’s the new idea, and I can now say that I have the server up and running (not pretty like I’d like, but in the interest of time, up.) Now we are looking for presenters and times to do this: I was thinking evenings of Fridays, Saturdays or Sundays.
gigogig Posted May 24, 2012 Author Posted May 24, 2012 With regard to presentation software: We have selected the main presentation software of bbb, but we do have some other failbacks if that doesn’t work. The software will allow us to have a text chat, audio chat, and webcam chat, with a slide / whiteboard area, and desktop screen sharing. During a presentation, there will be audio / webcams from the presenters, but a text chat available to all. Also a presenter can give an audience member the ability to share a webcam / audio if they wish. During the webcam chat time, anyone (with a mic webcam - and perhaps headphones to stop audio feedback) will be able to join in and have a conversation about whatever. Because the server is USA based, it will work best for USA based listeners, as lag and packet drops become a problem the further away you get. If this works well, we are already looking to add servers / bandwidth around the world!
gigogig Posted May 24, 2012 Author Posted May 24, 2012 Possible presentation list (if you have ideas for more please let us know. We are looking for anyone that would be willing to present these or co-present these):How to use bbb - quick introduction into the meeting software feature set. –gigogig first showShared neutral cables / US110 how-to. – gigogig first showFm-transmitters and antennas.Tips and tricks in dealing with flicker.Hacking GECESurveillance: software, hardware and setup.Light-O-Rama (lor) software: (possibly sequencing, setup and tricks.)Vixen2.x: (possibly sequencing, setup and tricks)Vixen3.x: (possibly sequencing, setup and tricks)Xlights: setup and tricksLight Show Pro (LSP): (possibly sequencing, setup and tricks)Audacity: Working with audioServos: Selecting and functionalityServo controllers: Selecting and functionalityWelding TechniquesDMX Primer: Underlying concepts, limitations, and potential implementationsRGB controlling: comprehensive overview of multiple typesRGB pixels: comprehensive overview of various physical formatsRGB protocols: comprehensive overview (including 2801, 3001, GECE, etc.)RGB power: options for bower distribution between 5v/ 12v/ 24v RGB powerDumb RGB lights: comprehensive overviewAnimated DisplaysVideo Taping Light Shows: tips and tricksAC controller choicesDC controller choicesProjection DisplaysFoggers: Comprehensive overviewSoldering how-toPCB Board design (advanced).Coroplast buildingLasers DisplaysLight strand repair: comprehensive overviewDisplay layout and designMini tree how-toMega tree how-toPower calculation: AC 110/220, DC5v/DC12vAesthetics comparisons of LED outputsPic programing
gigogig Posted May 24, 2012 Author Posted May 24, 2012 To moderators: It is important to me to emphasize the neutrality of this project. I don’t have any problems with anyone, and it isn’t my intention to create any kind of “competition” or dissent. I’m a member of multiple sites because I believe that all of them bring something to the users they serve (aka me). I am trying to bring something to them as well, and I am offering this because I feel that there is no one doing this specific type of minis/get-togethers/meetings/presentations, and I see a need for it. I hope not to be stepping on anyone’s toes by starting this. As I see it, the traditional minis/ get-togethers/ meetings/ presentations are superior to internet based ones in almost every way. Unfortunately their only downfall is in users that can’t make it to presentations, and presenters that can’t make it closer to the users. That said, please let me know if I’m crossing the lines of your site and I won’t put anything about this back up.
gigogig Posted May 24, 2012 Author Posted May 24, 2012 To possible presenters First, thanks for considering doing a presentation. People like you are the glue of our communities – allowing others a rare opportunity to learn from your wisdom, as well as your trial and error. Second, there are a few suggested requirements to be a presenter. If you do not meet the suggestions, consider reaching out to other community members for assistance before beginning:A newer webcam (less than 3 years old) that can do 720p streaming and not integrated into a laptop or screenAt least a 512kbps internet upload connection - 2mbps is preferredAt least a 5mbps download internet connectionA dedicated microphone (not integrated into a laptop or a webcam)Have headphones around just in case to prevent audio loopback when you are presenting (we hope to prevent this in software if we can, but it doesn’t always work)We ask that you place as much of the information as you can onto slides (they don’t need to be perfect, just there - preferably with pictures) and give them to us before the presentation so that we can get them onto the server.We would like to have two presenters in a presentation if we can. This way, if one has problems the other can take over. Or, in an ideal environment, so that one can better watch chat for questions, or just interject other personal experiences, while the other focuses solely on presenting.We would like presenters to have, use, and be acquainted with splitcam (it’s free - but be careful to only install it and not its crapware).Last but not least, we ask that presenters stick around for the “after presentation webcam chat” in case questions need answered or further discussion is needed to fully understand.That’s it and that’s all! If you are still interested, please tell us what mini you would like to do and when you are available by posting to this forum. From there, we will work up a schedule and get back to you.
gigogig Posted May 24, 2012 Author Posted May 24, 2012 To vendors: We would love to give away prizes, so let us know if you’re interested in giving something away, or if you have suggestions for how to better integrate you . If you’re interested in doing presentations on your software or hardware, we ask that you make it clear that you are the vendor. We also require that you do not putdown any other products or vendors – we aim to keep this positive.
Don Posted May 24, 2012 Posted May 24, 2012 This is a great idea if you ask me. I've seen many requests from people who can't make it to an event in person if there will be video available. Why do they ask? Normally it's because they can't make it to the event.Good to see someone set up something like this. (Or, better said, someone with the time to set up something like this.)Will be keeping an eye out for more information about this.
scubado Posted May 24, 2012 Posted May 24, 2012 Sounds like a great idea. Will this all be free? I wouldn't mind paying a small fee to participate on advanced presentations, this way the presenters get rewarded for their efforts as well. This might be a great way to advertise new products or industry trends as well. Formal online classes would be a plus for me. Traveling is next to impossible for me.
gigogig Posted May 24, 2012 Author Posted May 24, 2012 We hope to keep it free or donation based (server $ + bandwith $) but its just based on whate we can do for nothing (and we hope we can do 200 - 400 usa users for nothing)
David Rise Posted May 25, 2012 Posted May 25, 2012 I love it! With 2 small children and both my wife and I working, it's hard to pack up and go to one of the events. Not to mention the 4 hour drive.This is a great idea.
gigogig Posted June 2, 2012 Author Posted June 2, 2012 So we are going to try our first “TheShow” on 6-8-2012 at 6pm -700 or usa az time or Mountain Standard Time Pacific Daylight Time. First we will do a making Shared neutral cables and USA ac 110 history. We will follow that up by How to use bbb a quick introduction into the meeting software feature set. Once that’s done we will open up the “OpenRoundTable” for anyone with a webcam and headphones + microphone to discuss whatever you want holiday related. We are going to try to make this a regular date time, so if we don’t get presenters for a given week we will just open up the “OpenRoundTable” for anyone interested.
Ed Slonka Jr Posted June 3, 2012 Posted June 3, 2012 gigogig wrote: With regard to presentation software:We have selected the main presentation software of bbb, but we do have some other failbacks if that doesn’t work.You mentioned this earlier but could you please expand on how to connect and participate.Thanks, Ed
gigogig Posted June 3, 2012 Author Posted June 3, 2012 " What are the instructions for connecting to the server? Any special client software required? What about user names and passwords? Is the site open at other times to test the connections?"server llink will be posted on the 6th.client software needed is up to date java and flash. athow chrome works best any browser should work.only presenters have passwords.well bugger thats a good point changing the server post date to the 6th, but you wont be able to do much so you can try out http://demo.bigbluebutton.org/as that's the same underlying teck.
Randy Posted June 3, 2012 Posted June 3, 2012 I'm interested in this, but wanted to post a comment. I know it's hard to get a good time across east to west coasts, but what you're suggesting is from 5-6pm Pacific time on a Friday evening. I don't think that's going to work for many folks out here.I might be able to do it that early during the week, although I think 6-7pm Pacific would work better. But on a Friday evening, I'm rarely home as early as 5pm...How about just a little bit later?
gigogig Posted June 3, 2012 Author Posted June 3, 2012 Randy wrote:I'm interested in this, but wanted to post a comment. I know it's hard to get a good time across east to west coasts, but what you're suggesting is from 5-6pm Pacific time on a Friday evening. I don't think that's going to work for many folks out here. I might be able to do it that early during the week, although I think 6-7pm Pacific would work better. But on a Friday evening, I'm rarely home as early as 5pm...How about just a little bit later?06:00 p.m. Sunday June 3, 2012 in America/Phoenix converts to06:00 p.m. Sunday June 3, 2012 in US/Pacific not 5pm any later is a big problem for the other cost. if things workout some shows will be erler and some will be later.
smeighan Posted June 4, 2012 Posted June 4, 2012 gigogig wrote:" What are the instructions for connecting to the server? Any special client software required? What about user names and passwords? Is the site open at other times to test the connections?"server llink will be posted on the 6th.client software needed is up to date java and flash. athow chrome works best any browser should work.only presenters have passwords.well bugger thats a good point changing the server post date to the 6th, but you wont be able to do much so you can try out http://demo.bigbluebutton.org/as that's the same underlying teck.I have given a couple of Nutcracker remote presentations. I used the free version of joinme.com. For the people joining there is nothing to install on their machines, just a web browser. The presenter needs to download a 2mbyte file.Here are the features of the free version. It also comes with ipad/iphone app. I have used my ipad as the driver, logged in at a Starbucks and presented my screen to a few other people.join.me freeinternet callingscreen sharing250 viewersshare controlmulti-monitorchatsend filesviewer: iPad/iPhone or AndroidI start a session, i get a 9 digit number that i pass on to the remote group. They just put one of their cell phones on speakerphone.Total time to get started installing the 2 mbyte file on the presenter side and get people to join as viewers, 1-2 minutes.I just mention this as an alternative in that it is simpler. You do not need to setup a server on Linux to have it work. BBB does have some extra features like being able to draw on a white board and such.For whiteboards, i have been using dabbleboard.com for a couple years. This is also free and allows everyone to draw and collaborate.For the presentations where it is mostly me speaking and presenting , joinme has been adequate.I also agree, it would be nice to have minis that are more global.ymmvthankssean
gigogig Posted June 4, 2012 Author Posted June 4, 2012 I have given a couple of Nutcracker remote presentations. I used the free version of joinme.com. For the people joining there is nothing to install on their machines, just a web browser. The presenter needs to download a 2mbyte file.Here are the features of the free version. It also comes with ipad/iphone app. I have used my ipad as the driver, logged in at a Starbucks and presented my screen to a few other people.join.me freeinternet callingscreen sharing250 viewersshare controlmulti-monitorchatsend filesviewer: iPad/iPhone or AndroidI start a session, i get a 9 digit number that i pass on to the remote group. They just put one of their cell phones on speakerphone.Total time to get started installing the 2 mbyte file on the presenter side and get people to join as viewers, 1-2 minutes.I just mention this as an alternative in that it is simpler. You do not need to setup a server on Linux to have it work. BBB does have some extra features like being able to draw on a white board and such.For whiteboards, i have been using dabbleboard.com for a couple years. This is also free and allows everyone to draw and collaborate.For the presentations where it is mostly me speaking and presenting , joinme has been adequate.I also agree, it would be nice to have minis that are more global.ymmvthanksseanyes join me is on the list of alternitive servers (and i use it all the time for 1 to 1 sharing) but is is limited to 250 users and wont allow the roundtable webcaming that we hope to see. but thanks for the segestion.
kevin Posted June 4, 2012 Posted June 4, 2012 Do you plan on recording the mini minis and posting them somewhere after the live video chat? It would be great to have a library of the information shared during these sessions.Kevin
gigogig Posted June 4, 2012 Author Posted June 4, 2012 kevin wrote:Do you plan on recording the mini minis and posting them somewhere after the live video chat? It would be great to have a library of the information shared during these sessions.Kevinyes we do plan to do recording but the first two shows will be missing some parts like the webcams, if the shows go as well as we hope we will be bulding a dedicated recording server for the 3rd show and beond
gigogig Posted June 6, 2012 Author Posted June 6, 2012 Server is up @ http://abcholidays.serveblog.net/ list of backup servers we will use http://www.ustream.tv/channel/abcholidays or www.anymeeting.com/abcholidays1 or http://gigogig.onwebinar.ru/ if the primary server can’t handle the load. The mini will start Friday, June 8, 2012 at 6:00:00 PM mst, Saturday, June 9, 2012 at 01:00:00 utc, Saturday, June 9, 2012 at 11:00:00 AM est, Friday, June 8, 2012 at 6:00:00 PM pdt, Friday, June 8, 2012 at 9:00:00 PM edt
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