jim6918 Posted March 17, 2010 Posted March 17, 2010 Based on earlier advice, I purchased 25 strobes from Paul that I will be placing randomly in a 30 tall pine tree in front yard, most likely on a single channel, two at most. I have never decorated this tree before and it has always come out as the black hole in any display I've ever done, including last years inauguration to LOR.Having looked at videos til I am cross-eyed, I come away with the feeling that "less is more" when it comes to firing strobes during a sequence.Whats the opinions here about when to use strobes in sequencing? Just the high points of the music? Or when?Using the visualizer for strobes doesn't give the real effect of the strobes actually firing, it just looks like an ON and OFF.
jimswinder Posted March 17, 2010 Posted March 17, 2010 I won't be much help, as this will be my first year with them also, but I was just going to use them when there is a cymbal crash (not every one) or some other high point in the song...maybe 4 or 5 times during a song tops..
Greg Posted March 18, 2010 Posted March 18, 2010 I dont use mine that often, I go for more of the wow factor. some songs I don't use them at all, but others I may used them 2 or 3 times. For years past I had the same problem with a tree that made a huge black hole in the display. I ordered some blizzards from pondude and that solved the problem nicely, could be something for you to look into. here is a link to his site http://www.christmasonmanor.com/store/greg
redsea300 Posted March 18, 2010 Posted March 18, 2010 do you have a video or picture of the Blizzards?
Greg Posted March 18, 2010 Posted March 18, 2010 unfoutunatly I don't however I am sure someone here might, from what I understand greg sold alot of thes last year
George Simmons Posted March 18, 2010 Posted March 18, 2010 jimswinder wrote: maybe 4 or 5 times during a song tops..Count me also on the side of less is definitely more. If you're planning on celebrating every cymbal crash with strobes, I would suggest either you seriously reconsider that plan, or that you not sequence very many songs which include cymbals. Strobes are so cool that it's real easy to get carried away. I did my first year and wound up going back inside during my first night's show and deleting over half of my strobe use. Greg's absolutely correct about the wow factor, and it's a lot easier than you might think to go from "wow" to "yawn".
jimswinder Posted March 18, 2010 Posted March 18, 2010 George Simmons wrote: jimswinder wrote: maybe 4 or 5 times during a song tops..Count me also on the side of less is definitely more. If you're planning on celebrating every cymbal crash with strobes, I would suggest either you seriously reconsider that plan, or that you not sequence very many songs which include cymbals.LOL...George..I said 4 or 5, TOPS!! Definitely not every cymbal crash...don't want the people to go blind!! But like everything else in this Christmas Lighting business...it's the persons own preference. We don't really know what we like until we actually see it in motion.
DownTown Posted March 18, 2010 Posted March 18, 2010 Greg wrote: I dont use mine that often, I go for more of the wow factor. some songs I don't use them at all, but others I may used them 2 or 3 times. For years past I had the same problem with a tree that made a huge black hole in the display. I ordered some blizzards from pondude and that solved the problem nicely, could be something for you to look into. here is a link to his site http://www.christmasonmanor.com/store/gregI agree with Greg here... I used to hang 20 curtain strobes in the canopy of the oaks in my front yard... Most songs didn't use them... and the ones that did used them during crescendos at the end of the song, and during a couple of drum riffs. At most, the strobes were on for about 4 seconds at a time.You can see how I used mine in Carol of the Bells at the end on my web page at the link below.I also use DMX strobe effect to highlight the machine gun sound in Snoopy's Christmas... with very precisely timed flashes that are in sync with the sound in the song. This is an effect that you can't achieve with curtain strobes.D.T.
Cray Augsburg Posted March 18, 2010 Posted March 18, 2010 I, too, am a proponent of less is more as regards strobes. If you use them all the time, or in every song, they lose the wow factor. For 2009, I sequenced five pieces. Only one included the strobes. They fired at two points in the music -- both identical sections where the music went from minor to major (a resolution) and the melody/harmony were treble and energetic. Perhaps "twinkly", "sparkley" or "bright" would be terms to describe these sections. The video is here . . .http://vimeo.com/8472099If you watch the video, you'll see that I also have a huge black hole in the display. To the left in front of the upstairs section of the house is a large pin oak tree that I have been forbidden to take a saw to. My financial agent (aka., better half) would likely amputate a part of me were I to amputate a part of it. So, rather than eliminate it, I will use it. This year, the plan is to place 15 floods (five clear, five red and five green) in the tree, all aimed upward. I haven't yet decided whether to control them as three channels or fifteen channels (wouldn't 15 floods on one yard element all in "twinkle" be a useful effect?)Hope some of this helps as you decide how to work your strobes.Cray
David Conley Posted March 18, 2010 Posted March 18, 2010 I think that a lot depends on how big the display is and how far from the viewing area the strobes are. A larger display and/or greater viewing distance can support it better. I agree with the masses on frequency. Save them for special occasions.
Cray Augsburg Posted March 18, 2010 Posted March 18, 2010 Ya know, in thinking about it, Jim, if you use the strobes sparingly on this big tree, it will continue to be a black hole in the display for most of the show. That's ok if it's what you want, and if the coming season won't support it, that's all you need. In the future, with more channels at your control, you might (if you haven't already) consider putting a light string anchor at the top and converting it to a mega tree. After all, nothing says you have to lay the lights on the actual branches. And in this case (using a real pine as a mega tree) you wouldn't necessarily have to light the back of it, saving half the channels and strings.Food for thought . . .Cray
rgardner518 Posted March 18, 2010 Posted March 18, 2010 DownTown wrote: Greg wrote: I dont use mine that often, I go for more of the wow factor. some songs I don't use them at all, but others I may used them 2 or 3 times. For years past I had the same problem with a tree that made a huge black hole in the display. I ordered some blizzards from pondude and that solved the problem nicely, could be something for you to look into. here is a link to his site http://www.christmasonmanor.com/store/gregI agree with Greg here... I used to hang 20 curtain strobes in the canopy of the oaks in my front yard... Most songs didn't use them... and the ones that did used them during crescendos at the end of the song, and during a couple of drum riffs. At most, the strobes were on for about 4 seconds at a time.You can see how I used mine in Carol of the Bells at the end on my web page at the link below.I also use DMX strobe effect to highlight the machine gun sound in Snoopy's Christmas... with very precisely timed flashes that are in sync with the sound in the song. This is an effect that you can't achieve with curtain strobes.D.T.I don't want you to think I'm picking on you. But the sound quality SUCKS on the Carol of the bells. It was recorded way to loud, and I have my volume turned almost all the way down and its heard to hear, yet if I turn it to loud its all distorted. Just a friendly tip or comment. Otherwise things for letting me see the strobes in action.
jim6918 Posted March 19, 2010 Author Posted March 19, 2010 Cray Augsburg wrote: Ya know, in thinking about it, Jim, if you use the strobes sparingly on this big tree, it will continue to be a black hole in the display for most of the show. That's ok if it's what you want, and if the coming season won't support it, that's all you need. In the future, with more channels at your control, you might (if you haven't already) consider putting a light string anchor at the top and converting it to a mega tree. After all, nothing says you have to lay the lights on the actual branches. And in this case (using a real pine as a mega tree) you wouldn't necessarily have to light the back of it, saving half the channels and strings.Food for thought . . .CrayYou sure have a point Cray, that tree is going to still be a black hole for most of the show. The more I think about it (and I haven't made up my mind) I'm not sure why I would go to all the trouble to run the strobes up in that tree for the small return. I have thought about doing some kind of color wash thing, but still undecided now. I am getting pretty close to maxing out my dedicated 100 amp sub-panel, so not sure I can do a mega tree either. Hmmmmmmmmm, is that a chain saw I hear?
Dad02 Posted March 19, 2010 Posted March 19, 2010 Personally I like more strobes in the display but used sparingly and if a few go out during the season you won't miss them as much.
Dad02 Posted March 19, 2010 Posted March 19, 2010 redsea300 wrote: do you have a video or picture of the Blizzards?We used blizzards this past year, from a different vendor though.
Cray Augsburg Posted March 19, 2010 Posted March 19, 2010 jim6918 wrote: Hmmmmmmmmm, is that a chain saw I hear?Listen. Next time I'm out of town, you bring the chain saw and cut loose on my pin oak. Then I'll have an alibi -- she'll be none the wiser. You can even keep the wood! Cray
rgardner518 Posted March 19, 2010 Posted March 19, 2010 BrianC wrote: redsea300 wrote: do you have a video or picture of the Blizzards?We used blizzards this past year, from a different vendor though.Brian, Were did you get yours from?
Greg Posted March 20, 2010 Posted March 20, 2010 BrianC wrote: redsea300 wrote: do you have a video or picture of the Blizzards?We used blizzards this past year, from a different vendor though.redsee300Brians website has a good view of some blizzards in action, that should give you a good idea what they look like.
Dad02 Posted March 20, 2010 Posted March 20, 2010 ny_yankee_25 wrote: Brian, Were did you get yours from?They are from Winterland, a bit pricey but if you catch one of their sales the cost is bearable. Picked up two more sets for this year, thinking about placing all four set on the tree on the left to create a snowfall effect.
Dad02 Posted March 20, 2010 Posted March 20, 2010 Posted this in the CCR section but here is another strobe option we'll be using this year....I'm really happy with they way this effect turned out.http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PDrGV_yEdS8
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