EmmienLightFan Posted June 18, 2015 Share Posted June 18, 2015 The LOR software is expensive, but worth it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EmmienLightFan Posted June 18, 2015 Share Posted June 18, 2015 Actually I find it inexpensive as compared to other software out there!Have seen some stuff $800-$1,200 a seat!Yeah. Look at the stuff in Adobe CS6.Software priced like that is mainly for companies and professionals though, and for that price you really should expect nothing less than perfect.LOR is priced well. This is not a cheap hobby, so people have that much money to spend. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
larryk5 Posted June 18, 2015 Share Posted June 18, 2015 Just hope they don't go to the monthly fee like Adobe! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dgrant Posted June 18, 2015 Share Posted June 18, 2015 I think LOR is a very good value for the money considering what all it does for us. Now I've never tried any of the other light sequencing platforms out there to be fair but in software terms, something I know a lot about, this package delivers a lot. There's a serious amount of versatility within and they keep improving that fact with each new revision. When the day comes, and it will, that we all have much more powerful processors in our homes, LOR may have evolved into software that we can "speak to", instructing it on what to accomplish for this or that part of a song or the whole song....and it happens instantly. Yes, that could be done now with current technology but few of us have processors and architecture, capable of handling the requirements. Give it a few years and it could be a possibility. Not that LOR is thinking along those line right now, probably not, but for the future, who knows. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LOR Staff Posted June 18, 2015 Share Posted June 18, 2015 If you think it's expensive, here is some food for thought: Some tools we use:http://www.helpandmanual.com/order.htmlhttps://www.visualstudio.com/products/visual-studio-professional-with-msdn-vshttp://www.aivosto.com/prices.htmlhttps://simple-help.com/pricing (and those are typically a cost PER PROGRAMMER/seat, not for the entire LOR staff) Average cost of a programmer per year: $160,000 (I'm not saying salary, I'm saying total cost, based on the average salary in 2013 of 80,000)Average cost of a Help Desk person per year: $80,000 That $70 for Advanced when you purchased your first controller, and $30 for a renewal (only IF you want it) doesn't sound so bad anymore, does it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wmilkie Posted June 19, 2015 Share Posted June 19, 2015 If you think it's expensive, here is some food for thought: Some tools we use:http://www.helpandmanual.com/order.htmlhttps://www.visualstudio.com/products/visual-studio-professional-with-msdn-vshttp://www.aivosto.com/prices.htmlhttps://simple-help.com/pricing (and those are typically a cost PER PROGRAMMER/seat, not for the entire LOR staff) Average cost of a programmer per year: $160,000 (I'm not saying salary, I'm saying total cost, based on the average salary in 2013 of 80,000)Average cost of a Help Desk person per year: $80,000 That $70 for Advanced when you purchased your first controller, and $30 for a renewal (only IF you want it) doesn't sound so bad anymore, does it Yeah, but software's just typing, right! (actually had a director say that to our lead programmer years ago, he was serious) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dgrant Posted June 19, 2015 Share Posted June 19, 2015 Yeah, but software's just typing, right! (actually had a director say that to our lead programmer years ago, he was serious)I respectfully disagree. I've written a lot of software for applications where mistakes were not allowed. Software creation takes careful thought and considerations, a great amount of creativity and the ability to think past the obvious and create new ways to achieve the end results. Programmers are artists, in computer commands. They work for LOR, who in-turn, works for us. We are the "users". We are the people requesting the changes, updates and enhancements and in return, we pay for those changes. In my case, I'll pay and be very happy about it because I know...just how much can go into software programs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Max-Paul Posted June 19, 2015 Share Posted June 19, 2015 What I hate about programming, is that I am 56 and just starting to try to learn C++. I am sure that there are those of you who have had classes and talk this Language daily. The cheap bastards I work for expect me to learn this via stuff on the web. I have found one site that is what looks like to be fairly decent, www.learncpp.com This is for an application using an Arduino pro mini micro processor. Oh what fun. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dcroc Posted June 19, 2015 Author Share Posted June 19, 2015 (edited) Didn't say LOR wasn't priced fairly, or wasn't worth every dime. It's actually a really big bang for the buck. Although no expert, I do understand what goes into creating software and programming. I'm simply saying that it's not cheap. The average Joe will rarely, if ever, buy software at that price level. It can be said that "cheap" boils down to a matter of perspective, but the average consumer doesn't even want to drop so much as $30 on a decent anti-virus software. Edited June 19, 2015 by Dcroc Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dgrant Posted June 19, 2015 Share Posted June 19, 2015 (edited) And those who didn't invest the small amount on a good AV software, end up paying a whole lot more in the long run once they are infected! Back in the day, I learned old Fortran 4, 66, 77+, Assembler, Basic, C, C++...all of which are ok but a pain. I then taught myself NI's Labview and really enjoyed that. Its background is C code but its a very, very powerful GUI programming tool(s) and easy to use. LOR doesn't use it but they could easily. Whatever they do use, works for this application and that's all that matters. Edited June 19, 2015 by dgrant 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caniac Posted June 19, 2015 Share Posted June 19, 2015 Didn't say LOR wasn't priced fairly, or wasn't worth every dime. It's actually a really big bang for the buck. Although no expert, I do understand what goes into creating software and programming. I'm simply saying that it's not cheap. The average Joe will rarely, if ever, buy software at that price level. It can be said that "cheap" boils down to a matter of perspective, but the average consumer doesn't even want to drop so much as $30 on a decent anti-virus software. The average "Joe" isn't going to put the time in that most of us here do on our shows. The average "Joe" will go to WalMart mid-November and pick up a couple of blow molds then call it good. For all that it does, this is an inexpensive hobby but you have to put the time in and start in January. It's all about personal creativity. I have seen some 16 channel shows on here that have blown me away. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caniac Posted June 19, 2015 Share Posted June 19, 2015 I am a programmer by trade and know first hand what goes into this. Major props to the guys that developed this and I would still pay the price if it were double. Are their free programs out there, sure but you get what you pay for. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bobschm Posted June 19, 2015 Share Posted June 19, 2015 Don't ever tell anyone this software is cheap and easy to use!! It'll ruin the "magic" every year. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darryl Lambert Posted June 19, 2015 Share Posted June 19, 2015 Back in the day, I learned C++. Maybe you could teach Max-Paul Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dgrant Posted June 19, 2015 Share Posted June 19, 2015 He probably knows more than I do! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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