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I'm out of town on a conference in West Palm Beach, FL. I just came back in from dinner where I saw something interesting. There was a diner called Il Bellagio complete with a mini version of the water fountains outside of the Bellagio in Vegas.

So I got a flash in my mind. A plastic kiddie pool with fountain pumps and a few flood lights behind the fountains shinning out. Maybe a light in the water. 8 pumps. You would probably just manipulate the intesity between 75%-100% to change the fountian heights.

It would certainly be tough to sync to music because you would have to fire the pumps a beat or two ahead.

I thought that this was a crazy idea and someone might actually be interested in trying it out. I am beginning to realize that there are a lot of "ideas" out there that could be brought into the forums for ideas.

If anyone tries this- Post a Pic!!!
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Tad, are you referring to the Bellagio restaurant in CityPlace? That fountain is so cool! My family used to own a house in West Palm Beach (until about 4 hurricanes hit) and we would go there frequently. There was something like the fountains at cityplace and the bellagio here, that gives a similar effect, except the only control method is audio. But this gives me ideas. You could create a "song" that would not be heard with the sound effects on audacity, or you could do some circuit-bending and control the different effects of the fountain with a relay board connected to LOR. Just some thoughts

~Greg

P.S. Were you at the restaurant when they were playing the laser show? I have never seen it, but it is supposedly pretty cool

Oh, and I saw somewhere those fountains cost $3 million to build!

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It would certainly be tough to sync to music because you would have to fire the pumps a beat or two ahead.

actually it would not. what you need to get is an electric solenoid water valve they can be found at lowes and home depot in the plumbing section for lawn sprinklers and get a centrifugal type water pump that way you can keep pressure in the water line without burning up your pump and the moment that the electric valve is hit.... instant release!
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Yes Greg, it was at CityPlace. While I didn't see the laser light show, I did notice the dozen glimbled lights on top of the building. I did see the regular show though. It was pretty cool.

I checked out the lights you mentioned, FDNY- but at $500+ dollars- you could rig something a whole lot cheaper.

It seems like we always tend to think BIG- but I am beginning to wonder about just making one fountain illuminated in the yard. It could be hidden well in a prop and add that "what the hell..." effect to the show. Water is something that is 100% unexpected in a christmas light show.

I remember when I first saw Mike's gobo light in his tree that I began laughing and saying WTF?!

Back Home... Thank God
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Tad wrote:
It would certainly be tough to sync to music because you would have to fire the pumps a beat or two ahead.

actually it would not. what you need to get is an electric solenoid water valve they can be found at lowes and home depot in the plumbing section for lawn sprinklers and get a centrifugal type water pump that way you can keep pressure in the water line without burning up your pump and the moment that the electric valve is hit.... instant release!
Well I have found it very challenging to sync fountains to music due to the delay particularly on closing of irrigation valves. The movement of water is much slower that lights. You also need to be aware of how many what size valves/nozzles are open or closed causing variations in pressure/height. I run a 1-1/2 pump with 1-1/4" line feeding an eight valve manifold. I am current rebuilding my 2004 design in the shop now.
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To help with preasure could you add a holding tank and have a slightly more powerfull pump?





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The Bellagio Casino does not only use water pumps in their display, but they use air pumps to force the water up through their various fountain heads. When I was in Las Vegas last month, I was able to view the foutains from the top of the 1/2 scale Eiffle tower at Paris and also on the ground directly infront of the fountains. They had it set to Lee Greenwood's "God Bless America" and it wasn't really in sync, but I am not sure how you can really set that song to snyc with much.

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Very cool to hear that someone is doing something like a fountain in their display. And you bring up a good point about the pressure! I am seriously thinking about looking for a single pump with a decent GPH to test out my single fountain idea.

One pump I saw had a threaded output which got me thinking about stepping down the output size, and building a little additional pressure. I'd really have to get one and play with it to know better.

The manifold sound very interesting- post some pics if you can. I'd like to see it!
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So I got a flash in my mind. A plastic kiddie pool with fountain pumps and a few flood lights behind the fountains shinning out. Maybe a light in the water. 8 pumps. You would probably just manipulate the intesity between 75%-100% to change the fountian heights.



You will probably burn up either your pumps or the controller as AC motors DO NOT like phase power control for speed. It's the same reason you can't hook up transformers to a triac controlled outlet. The phase delay of the current in an inductive circuit really messes up triac controllers.
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Sorry. In that video it's mostly just the lights, but, I've just finished taping a small sequence of controlling both.

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