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Does anybody know if there is any type of a discount for owning 2 of the same versions of the software? I obviously have it on my main PC from which I run the show. I've been thinking it would be kind of nice to have it on another PC or notebook, especially this time of year where you can be working on other songs somewhere else while your main one is home running your shows.

Corey

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Texan78 wrote:

S2 can be installed on as many computers within your household. You do not need a separate lic.


Technically I think the current license agreement says 2 machines. I will confess to having it on three- all of which I am the only user for. I have it on my main machine, a laptop that I sometimes sequence on, and my show computer. I'm hoping the upcoming licensing stuff will allow for something like that, and not make me have to shuffle licenses around just so I can sequence in different places...

-Tim
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just so I can sequence in different places...

If you can remember back to the days of LOR 1, you will recall that there was a "demo" version that did not require a license, and would do anything a licensed version would do except control lights.

I remember Dan saying that LOR 2 would be licensed like this when the licensing code was finished. If this is the case, then you won't need to license it on more than one machine (the show machine) just so you can sequence in different places.
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Steven wrote:

Tim Fischer wrote:
just so I can sequence in different places...

If you can remember back to the days of LOR 1, you will recall that there was a "demo" version that did not require a license, and would do anything a licensed version would do except control lights.

I remember Dan saying that LOR 2 would be licensed like this when the licensing code was finished.  If this is the case, then you won't need to license it on more than one machine (the show machine) just so you can sequence in different places.


That would be fine too. Although I'd actually want to be able to control lights on 2 machine: One for testing (a laptop that I can carry around outside) and my main show computer.

-Tim
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Tim Fischer wrote:

Texan78 wrote:
S2 can be installed on as many computers within your household. You do not need a separate lic.


Technically I think the current license agreement says 2 machines. I will confess to having it on three- all of which I am the only user for. I have it on my main machine, a laptop that I sometimes sequence on, and my show computer. I'm hoping the upcoming licensing stuff will allow for something like that, and not make me have to shuffle licenses around just so I can sequence in different places...

-Tim


LOR I you are entitled to install it on 2 computers...

S2 on the other hand the lic has changed or will change and you can install it on as many computers in your family or household only as I previous mentioned. Unless things have changed this is the way I understand it.....

One thing that we have agreed to is that S2 will be a household/family licensed product so you can install it on all of your machines (and you work machine;)).


Here is the post from Feb that talked about it, 3rd post from the bottom....

http://lightorama.mywowbb.com/view_topic.php?id=16141
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LightORamaDan
One thing that we have agreed to is that S2 will be a household/family licensed product so you can install it on all of your machines (and you work machine;)).


I did write that, and it sure sounds good! To implement this we are going to allow a single license to be installed on up to 5 machines. That should cover most families and is certianly fair. The plan is not to force a faimly to purchase more copies of the software. It is to protect us from some other folks.

We went through a number of different schemes and have discussed this license thing for a long time but the code is finished so we now know how it will work.

The licensing code activates the software via the Internet. There is a way to activate it over the phone if you do not have a Internet connection on the PC. In the future you will only need to keep a record of your license key. The demo version of software will be kept up to date and it will be the actual production code.

Early next year there will be a new software page in the online store. There will be a free upgrade item on that page That item will have a price of $0 (isn't that a nice price!). When you purchase that item the system will try to find a match for you in the store. If it finds a match then you will automatically receive your License key via email. If it cannot find a match for you (because you have "changed" since you first purchased the software or a package containing the software) then you will be emailed with instructions on the steps to get your license.

The List Price of the Advanced Version (which is the License Level that you will all receive) will be more than you paid.
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LightORamaDan wrote:

I did write that, and it sure sounds good! To implement this we are going to allow a single license to be installed on up to 5 machines. That should cover most families and is certianly fair. The plan is not to force a faimly to purchase more copies of the software. It is to protect us from some other folks.

We went through a number of different schemes and have discussed this license thing for a long time but the code is finished so we now know how it will work.

The licensing code activates the software via the Internet. There is a way to activate it over the phone if you do not have a Internet connection on the PC. In the future you will only need to keep a record of your license key. The demo version of software will be kept up to date and it will be the actual production code.

Early next year there will be a new software page in the online store. There will be a free upgrade item on that page That item will have a price of $0 (isn't that a nice price!). When you purchase that item the system will try to find a match for you in the store. If it finds a match then you will automatically receive your License key via email. If it cannot find a match for you (because you have "changed" since you first purchased the software or a package containing the software) then you will be emailed with instructions on the steps to get your license.

The List Price of the Advanced Version (which is the License Level that you will all receive) will be more than you paid.



YEAH!

Chuck
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Dan,

Five machines is more than fair. I will be happy with two and very, very happy with three. Five is more than I would expect from any software.

I have a $7000 software package that I can only run on two servers, and I am very, Very happy I get the two machines.

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Dan, we use a similar licensing scheme with the products I develop, and it works really well (we only allow 2 machines though :) ) Like you, you normally register over the internet, but can do it via phone, fax, or email if necessary.

We did it for two reasons: so we had current info on who was using the product, and to control rogue copies of the software out there...

-Tim

P.S. Disclaimer: I don't speak for my company (at least here), so don't take any of the above as gospel truth.

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Paul Roberson

All the having to activate software over the internet is guess is great as long as you can do it.

Personally I do not care for it. I have purchased software in the past and the activation over the net went fine. However, several years later my computer crashed. I had backups for everything important. I installed this software and had the activation code written on the cd it was saved on, and wouldn't ya know it. When the activation was tried on the net there was no web site found!!!! After searching the net for answers, I find out that the company had gone out of business. They kept their activation site running for a couple years, but it was now down. And I was SOL trying to use the software that I paid for and could now not use. I had used that software at least once a week. I liked it and thought of it as a good investment, just did not know someone besides me had control over whether or not I could keep using it.

So, the 5 computer deal is pretty cool. As for the internet activation, I don't care for it. I understand the need to keep idiots from passing it around and the need to protect your investment.

In the above example, however, there was NO protection for MY investment!!!!

Yes, I am sure LOR has no intention of there ever NOT having an activation site available. I am also pretty sure that the other software company had no intention either.

This is just my opinion, and understand it does not mean anything!!!

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LightORamaDan

garyfunk wrote:

[snip]
I have a $7000 software package that I can only run on two servers, and I am [snip]


Hummmm perhaps we should re-think our pricing! :)

Dan
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Paul Roberson wrote:

All the having to activate software over the internet is guess is great as long as you can do it.

There's pluses and minuses to pretty much any scheme. I haven't been a member of the LOR user family as long as a lot of us, but it seems that the old licensing was abused. They definately have to preserve their investment, it took a lot of man hours putting together S2. It was too bad, but even after that, the licensing is extremely generous. Being able to activate by phone will help as well for those who want to run their controller computer lean and not connect it to the net (if it even has a network card.)

Sure, there is always a risk with activation, but thats the way things are going. Technically it's possible it could happen with Microsoft (there have been bigger companies wiped out of existence.) There may be some ways around it, like being able to save your activation data on a disk, along with kind of a hardware profile where if you use that to activate, it will let you if the hardware matches. No idea if that is practical for either side, still possible that could be abused, and you can't rely on the system having a MAC address or CPU serial number to go by.
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Everything sounds great. My next question is, how do I install on my 2nd computer? I have downloaded the demo version, then tried to install the upgrade and got denied saying I only had the demo version. Again, this is on my 2nd machine from which I would like to sequence. I went to the web store and clicked to buy and it still appears as though I would have to pay again.

Any thoughts?

Thanks.
Corey

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Paul B. Anderson

chowell,

if you have dounloaded only the demo version on your 2nd machine, you cannot upgrade to that machine. You will need to install your purchased version on the 2nd machine as you did on your first, then you can download any upgrades. That's how I got LOR on my work machine. I have the original version at home (upgraded to S2), the demo version at work. I had to dig out my original disk to install at work, then upgraded. - Paul

ps - I know, I should't be sequencing at work, right? But I only do it on lunch. Really!

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Well the 1st version I purchased was the downloadable version so I don't have a hard copy, and to boot, I don't think I have the .exe file any longer as It goes to my desktop and I clean it up from time to time. Is there another way to retrieve it? I will check if I still have it when I get home. If the target for the download is the desktop, it wouldn't show up anywhere else.....or would it?

Thanks again.
Corey

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LightORamaDan

chowell wrote:

Everything sounds great. My next question is, how do I install on my 2nd computer? I have downloaded the demo version, then tried to install the upgrade and got denied saying I only had the demo version. Again, this is on my 2nd machine from which I would like to sequence. I went to the web store and clicked to buy and it still appears as though I would have to pay again.

Any thoughts?

Thanks.
Corey

Send an email to support@lightorama.com include your original order number or the name and address on the order. Tell them that you need a link to the software.
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LightORamaDan wrote:

garyfunk wrote:
[snip]
I have a $7000 software package that I can only run on two servers, and I am [snip]


Hummmm perhaps we should re-think our pricing! ;)

Dan

It's $100 for the software and I'd be happy to run it on two machines. Then I'd pay $20 to $25 for each additional machine I own.
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Paul Roberson

Yall don't make much sense!!!!!:?



How about WOW!! Thanks for allowing us to install S2 on up to 5 of my computers! Thats awsome!!!



Maybe garyfunk, and Jeff Millard would like to make monthly payments for the rest of us to put on up to 10 computers:shock:

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Jeff Millard wrote:

Paul Roberson wrote:
Maybe Jeff Millard would like to make monthly payments for the rest of us to put on up to 10 computers:shock:


No, I don't!

Jeff

LOL!!!
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Has a method for de-activating the software been thought of? Since having several computers in our house.. and knowing some may break down from time to time, especially with the HDD being mechanical, what if at the same time you wanted to upgrade your system, would this then go against your 5 activations for this one key? or could something in this situation be worked out??

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jllracer55 wrote:

Has a method for de-activating the software been thought of?  Since having several computers in our house.. and knowing some may  break down from time to time, especially with the HDD  being mechanical, what if at the same time you wanted to upgrade your system, would this then go against your 5 activations for this one key?  or could something in this situation be worked out??


Yeah, this has to be built in somehow. For the product I develop, originally you had to call customer service for this, but later we added a "deactivate" right in the software, so in theory you could ping-pong one license between two machines constantly...

-Tim
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Paul Roberson wrote:

Yall don't make much sense!!!!!:?



How about WOW!! Thanks for allowing us to install S2 on up to 5 of my computers! Thats awsome!!!



Maybe garyfunk, and Jeff Millard would like to make monthly payments for the rest of us to put on up to 10 computers:shock:
Tell me about a setup that uses 10 computers.
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