chowell Posted December 10, 2008 Share Posted December 10, 2008 Does anybody know if there is any type of a discount for owning 2 of the same versions of the software? I obviously have it on my main PC from which I run the show. I've been thinking it would be kind of nice to have it on another PC or notebook, especially this time of year where you can be working on other songs somewhere else while your main one is home running your shows.Corey Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Texan78 Posted December 10, 2008 Share Posted December 10, 2008 S2 can be installed on as many computers within your household. You do not need a separate lic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tim Fischer Posted December 10, 2008 Share Posted December 10, 2008 Texan78 wrote:S2 can be installed on as many computers within your household. You do not need a separate lic.Technically I think the current license agreement says 2 machines. I will confess to having it on three- all of which I am the only user for. I have it on my main machine, a laptop that I sometimes sequence on, and my show computer. I'm hoping the upcoming licensing stuff will allow for something like that, and not make me have to shuffle licenses around just so I can sequence in different places...-Tim Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steven Posted December 10, 2008 Share Posted December 10, 2008 Tim Fischer wrote: just so I can sequence in different places...If you can remember back to the days of LOR 1, you will recall that there was a "demo" version that did not require a license, and would do anything a licensed version would do except control lights.I remember Dan saying that LOR 2 would be licensed like this when the licensing code was finished. If this is the case, then you won't need to license it on more than one machine (the show machine) just so you can sequence in different places. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tim Fischer Posted December 10, 2008 Share Posted December 10, 2008 Steven wrote:Tim Fischer wrote: just so I can sequence in different places...If you can remember back to the days of LOR 1, you will recall that there was a "demo" version that did not require a license, and would do anything a licensed version would do except control lights.I remember Dan saying that LOR 2 would be licensed like this when the licensing code was finished. If this is the case, then you won't need to license it on more than one machine (the show machine) just so you can sequence in different places.That would be fine too. Although I'd actually want to be able to control lights on 2 machine: One for testing (a laptop that I can carry around outside) and my main show computer.-Tim Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Texan78 Posted December 10, 2008 Share Posted December 10, 2008 Tim Fischer wrote: Texan78 wrote:S2 can be installed on as many computers within your household. You do not need a separate lic.Technically I think the current license agreement says 2 machines. I will confess to having it on three- all of which I am the only user for. I have it on my main machine, a laptop that I sometimes sequence on, and my show computer. I'm hoping the upcoming licensing stuff will allow for something like that, and not make me have to shuffle licenses around just so I can sequence in different places...-TimLOR I you are entitled to install it on 2 computers...S2 on the other hand the lic has changed or will change and you can install it on as many computers in your family or household only as I previous mentioned. Unless things have changed this is the way I understand it.....One thing that we have agreed to is that S2 will be a household/family licensed product so you can install it on all of your machines (and you work machine;)). Here is the post from Feb that talked about it, 3rd post from the bottom....http://lightorama.mywowbb.com/view_topic.php?id=16141 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tim Fischer Posted December 10, 2008 Share Posted December 10, 2008 Excellent! :dude: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LightORamaDan Posted December 10, 2008 Share Posted December 10, 2008 One thing that we have agreed to is that S2 will be a household/family licensed product so you can install it on all of your machines (and you work machine;)). I did write that, and it sure sounds good! To implement this we are going to allow a single license to be installed on up to 5 machines. That should cover most families and is certianly fair. The plan is not to force a faimly to purchase more copies of the software. It is to protect us from some other folks.We went through a number of different schemes and have discussed this license thing for a long time but the code is finished so we now know how it will work.The licensing code activates the software via the Internet. There is a way to activate it over the phone if you do not have a Internet connection on the PC. In the future you will only need to keep a record of your license key. The demo version of software will be kept up to date and it will be the actual production code.Early next year there will be a new software page in the online store. There will be a free upgrade item on that page That item will have a price of $0 (isn't that a nice price!). When you purchase that item the system will try to find a match for you in the store. If it finds a match then you will automatically receive your License key via email. If it cannot find a match for you (because you have "changed" since you first purchased the software or a package containing the software) then you will be emailed with instructions on the steps to get your license.The List Price of the Advanced Version (which is the License Level that you will all receive) will be more than you paid. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cmoore60 Posted December 10, 2008 Share Posted December 10, 2008 LightORamaDan wrote: I did write that, and it sure sounds good! To implement this we are going to allow a single license to be installed on up to 5 machines. That should cover most families and is certianly fair. The plan is not to force a faimly to purchase more copies of the software. It is to protect us from some other folks.We went through a number of different schemes and have discussed this license thing for a long time but the code is finished so we now know how it will work.The licensing code activates the software via the Internet. There is a way to activate it over the phone if you do not have a Internet connection on the PC. In the future you will only need to keep a record of your license key. The demo version of software will be kept up to date and it will be the actual production code.Early next year there will be a new software page in the online store. There will be a free upgrade item on that page That item will have a price of $0 (isn't that a nice price!). When you purchase that item the system will try to find a match for you in the store. If it finds a match then you will automatically receive your License key via email. If it cannot find a match for you (because you have "changed" since you first purchased the software or a package containing the software) then you will be emailed with instructions on the steps to get your license.The List Price of the Advanced Version (which is the License Level that you will all receive) will be more than you paid.YEAH!Chuck Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
garyfunk Posted December 10, 2008 Share Posted December 10, 2008 Dan,Five machines is more than fair. I will be happy with two and very, very happy with three. Five is more than I would expect from any software.I have a $7000 software package that I can only run on two servers, and I am very, Very happy I get the two machines. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tim Fischer Posted December 10, 2008 Share Posted December 10, 2008 Dan, we use a similar licensing scheme with the products I develop, and it works really well (we only allow 2 machines though ) Like you, you normally register over the internet, but can do it via phone, fax, or email if necessary.We did it for two reasons: so we had current info on who was using the product, and to control rogue copies of the software out there...-TimP.S. Disclaimer: I don't speak for my company (at least here), so don't take any of the above as gospel truth. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paul Roberson Posted December 11, 2008 Share Posted December 11, 2008 All the having to activate software over the internet is guess is great as long as you can do it.Personally I do not care for it. I have purchased software in the past and the activation over the net went fine. However, several years later my computer crashed. I had backups for everything important. I installed this software and had the activation code written on the cd it was saved on, and wouldn't ya know it. When the activation was tried on the net there was no web site found!!!! After searching the net for answers, I find out that the company had gone out of business. They kept their activation site running for a couple years, but it was now down. And I was SOL trying to use the software that I paid for and could now not use. I had used that software at least once a week. I liked it and thought of it as a good investment, just did not know someone besides me had control over whether or not I could keep using it.So, the 5 computer deal is pretty cool. As for the internet activation, I don't care for it. I understand the need to keep idiots from passing it around and the need to protect your investment.In the above example, however, there was NO protection for MY investment!!!!Yes, I am sure LOR has no intention of there ever NOT having an activation site available. I am also pretty sure that the other software company had no intention either.This is just my opinion, and understand it does not mean anything!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LightORamaDan Posted December 11, 2008 Share Posted December 11, 2008 garyfunk wrote: [snip]I have a $7000 software package that I can only run on two servers, and I am [snip]Hummmm perhaps we should re-think our pricing! Dan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DavidPeterson Posted December 11, 2008 Share Posted December 11, 2008 Paul Roberson wrote: All the having to activate software over the internet is guess is great as long as you can do it.There's pluses and minuses to pretty much any scheme. I haven't been a member of the LOR user family as long as a lot of us, but it seems that the old licensing was abused. They definately have to preserve their investment, it took a lot of man hours putting together S2. It was too bad, but even after that, the licensing is extremely generous. Being able to activate by phone will help as well for those who want to run their controller computer lean and not connect it to the net (if it even has a network card.)Sure, there is always a risk with activation, but thats the way things are going. Technically it's possible it could happen with Microsoft (there have been bigger companies wiped out of existence.) There may be some ways around it, like being able to save your activation data on a disk, along with kind of a hardware profile where if you use that to activate, it will let you if the hardware matches. No idea if that is practical for either side, still possible that could be abused, and you can't rely on the system having a MAC address or CPU serial number to go by. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chowell Posted December 12, 2008 Author Share Posted December 12, 2008 Everything sounds great. My next question is, how do I install on my 2nd computer? I have downloaded the demo version, then tried to install the upgrade and got denied saying I only had the demo version. Again, this is on my 2nd machine from which I would like to sequence. I went to the web store and clicked to buy and it still appears as though I would have to pay again.Any thoughts?Thanks.Corey Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paul B. Anderson Posted December 12, 2008 Share Posted December 12, 2008 chowell,if you have dounloaded only the demo version on your 2nd machine, you cannot upgrade to that machine. You will need to install your purchased version on the 2nd machine as you did on your first, then you can download any upgrades. That's how I got LOR on my work machine. I have the original version at home (upgraded to S2), the demo version at work. I had to dig out my original disk to install at work, then upgraded. - Paulps - I know, I should't be sequencing at work, right? But I only do it on lunch. Really! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chowell Posted December 12, 2008 Author Share Posted December 12, 2008 Well the 1st version I purchased was the downloadable version so I don't have a hard copy, and to boot, I don't think I have the .exe file any longer as It goes to my desktop and I clean it up from time to time. Is there another way to retrieve it? I will check if I still have it when I get home. If the target for the download is the desktop, it wouldn't show up anywhere else.....or would it?Thanks again.Corey Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LightORamaDan Posted December 12, 2008 Share Posted December 12, 2008 chowell wrote: Everything sounds great. My next question is, how do I install on my 2nd computer? I have downloaded the demo version, then tried to install the upgrade and got denied saying I only had the demo version. Again, this is on my 2nd machine from which I would like to sequence. I went to the web store and clicked to buy and it still appears as though I would have to pay again.Any thoughts?Thanks.CoreySend an email to support@lightorama.com include your original order number or the name and address on the order. Tell them that you need a link to the software. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iresq Posted December 12, 2008 Share Posted December 12, 2008 Oops. Yeah, what he said. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
garyfunk Posted December 12, 2008 Share Posted December 12, 2008 LightORamaDan wrote: garyfunk wrote: [snip]I have a $7000 software package that I can only run on two servers, and I am [snip]Hummmm perhaps we should re-think our pricing! DanIt's $100 for the software and I'd be happy to run it on two machines. Then I'd pay $20 to $25 for each additional machine I own. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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