10W RGBW Flood

[ShayneT]

I am thinking of redoing some of my 10watt floods. I ran across this:

10W RGBW 3000K 6000K High Power UCS2904 Led Module 12V

I am looking for guidance with two questions first:

1. Is 2904 compatible with any other protocols, i.e. 2811?
2. Does the extra 'w' color mean they use four dmx channels or does the led simply turn the 'w' on when R/G/B are all at 100%?

Any help is greatly appreciated.

Shayne

 

 

[TheDucks]

LOR 10W floods are DUMB (Simple RGB +12V wires )

Are you trying to convert them to Smart? You are going to have to redo the wiring AND add an Daisy Chain Out cable.

[ShayneT]

I have some 10w dumb ones that have a fried driver board but the LED seems intact. If I could find replacement driver boards I would keep them dumb but have had no luck on ali or ray finding dumb driver boards. But I also thought if I went to replace why not convert to smart at the same time.

[Mr. P]

How about something like this:

https://www.tindie.com/products/RobG/10w-rgb-flood-light-kit-dumb-rgb/

[ShayneT]

Thank you for the reply!

My soldering skills are OK and I could jumper the leads from the board to the bulb. I was hoping for a pre-built solution.

The only controller I have seen that can handle native 2904 is the Falcon V4. But that controller does not have the option to have a different protocol per output. Seems like a waste for just floods. Maybe there are smaller 1-4 output controller's, maybe receiver type, that exist. 

It is just not in my nature to scrap the fixtures it I can retro-fit or replace the drivers.

[Mr. P]

I don't know if the Falcon F4 supports 2904 pixels but the Falcon does support different protocols per port. A Falcon F4 can support four different protocols, one per port.

Line 48 in the manual:

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1LTQzdvSYMrRGI62KTGdh5EmUhVB9uZZMQ4iwWtK7yYk/edit#gid=2005112714

Edited October 20, 2021 by Mr. P

[ShayneT]

That is good news on the F4 - their chart says "1 per group of 16 pixel outputs" while v3 says "1 per pixel output". I took the 1 per group of pixel output to be the 16 outputs on the board. So it is 'group of 16 pixel outputs" really 16 pixels rather than 16 physical board plugs? Example 16 pixels of 2904 and 32 pixels of 2811 on the same string.

[Orville]

4 hours ago, ShayneT said:

I am thinking of redoing some of my 10watt floods. I ran across this:

10W RGBW 3000K 6000K High Power UCS2904 Led Module 12V

I am looking for guidance with two questions first:

1. Is 2904 compatible with any other protocols, i.e. 2811?
2. Does the extra 'w' color mean they use four dmx channels or does the led simply turn the 'w' on when R/G/B are all at 100%?

Any help is greatly appreciated.

Shayne

 

 

Nope don't think so, if you turn on the red, green and blue on, you get white, it won't light that 4th LED if there is a solid white in there.  At least not unless the controller that is controlling has 4 channels per pixel, most only have, R, G & B, no W. 

I just know in the LOR software, although I can't say for sure, but I don't think you can set it up for 4 in the RGB channels, so that W would just be an extra color you can't really use.  Like stated, if there is a controller that can do RGBW, then you'd be set, but I can't say I've seen one yet, at least not one that would work with the LOR software in the way it's set up.   I've never tried it, but from what I see, I just don't think it's possible without a specialized controller to handle the extra W pixel in the node.   Probably why no one has answered that 2nd question you poised, as most of are using standard {if you call them that} RGB lights, only 3 colors in a node, again, just R, G and B.

[ShayneT]

Thanks for all the tips... I will keep searching for a replacement 10w rgb driver board to keep the dumb light style.

It may try on given falcon can handle it when I get a new controller. I played with lor sequencer and if the 2904 protocol sends 4 dmx channels then lor can handle it as a prop.

Thanks you again to all the replies from those with greater skills than mine. I am venturing further into diy than I have before.

[Little_b]

There is a work around for the "Dumb" technology, not sure on the "Smart".  I have some Dumb RGBW Strip Lights in my landscape lighting and use a CMB24 controller.  RGB are connected to channels 1, 2, 3 and the W (which is a separate white only LED in the strand) is connected to channel 4.  To get it to sequence I created 2 props called "Flower Bed" (which is an RGB Prop) and "Flower Bed White" (which is a single color prop, White). When I want the flower bed to be white, I cut the white effect out of the RGB Prop Flower Bed and paste it into Flower Bed White.  A little more work, but it works out just fine.  Because the White is a separate LED, I can actually create some fun effects with 2 colors at the same time,  like Red and White as the pattern is every other one (red, white, red white.)

[Orville]

15 hours ago, Little_b said:

There is a work around for the "Dumb" technology, not sure on the "Smart".  I have some Dumb RGBW Strip Lights in my landscape lighting and use a CMB24 controller.  RGB are connected to channels 1, 2, 3 and the W (which is a separate white only LED in the strand) is connected to channel 4.  To get it to sequence I created 2 props called "Flower Bed" (which is an RGB Prop) and "Flower Bed White" (which is a single color prop, White). When I want the flower bed to be white, I cut the white effect out of the RGB Prop Flower Bed and paste it into Flower Bed White.  A little more work, but it works out just fine.  Because the White is a separate LED, I can actually create some fun effects with 2 colors at the same time,  like Red and White as the pattern is every other one (red, white, red white.)

Great idea, I do believe this can and would work {theoretically at the moment} doing the same thing with a Smart RGB Controller and Smart Pixels that have a white L.E.D. added to them.  Although, I can't say I've seen any "Smart" RGB"W" pixels yet, but I suppose they might exist somewhere, as these things are ever-changing with the way technology keeps going.

[Mr. P]

When you add the CMB24D to your sequence you can add it as 24 individual channels or 8 RGB groups. Just add the controller as 24 individual channels and use them any way you want.

[TheDucks]

29 minutes ago, Mr. P said:

When you add the CMB24D to your sequence you can add it as 24 individual channels or 8 RGB groups. Just add the controller as 24 individual channels and use them any way you want.

I add as 8 RGB, then ungroup 1 of those. Lots easier in S4  (don't know S5).