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2 hours ago, Sam house said:

Dumb question. In the preview design  is start circuit the actual channel?  Thought it was the first row but can’t get that number to ever change?

The start channel is the first channel for that item - be that a single channel, a dumb RGB or a pixel string.  Here is an extract from the "Channel Conflicts & Bulk Changes" (the pink underline) tab in the Preview Editor for my Christmas show.  I have selected Show: All Props (the golden oval).

The channels in Red are single channel devices, so you can see that each item takes one channel.  The channels in Green are dumb RGB so the Start Channel is the first (normally Red) channel of that RGB, so you can see that Address sign starts on Unit 13, channel 4 (and uses channels 4, 5, & 6) and the next is AC Column which starts on Unit 13 channel 7 (and uses channels 7, 8, & 9).  The channels in Blue are pixel strings.  In the case of the Arches, each arch has a separate controller ID (and it fully use all 50 pixels of these original CCPs).  The Candy Canes each use 48 channels (16 pixels).  And no, you can't tell from this listing how many channels are used for each prop, but you should know what your props are, and how many channels each uses.

As usual, if YOUR browser does not show the image, there is a link to it below.

Preview_Start_channels.png

http://www.newburghlights.org/images/Preview_Start_channels.png

Does this answer your question?

 

 

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16 hours ago, Sam house said:

Do I just look in Wows website to determine which channel they are using for what and then allocate the correct one in the sequencer?

 

16 hours ago, KYHI said:

That is what I did... As I found more commonality for my Preview layout with WOW sequences..

Yes, that's what I did as well. Makes it MUCH easier to add WOW sequences.

As far as building the Preview, I realized it was much easier to build the preview WITHOUT even thinking about the sequence. Open the PREVIEW DESIGN window and maximize it. Add your picture and your props to the picture. You don't even need to think out channel config at this point., You may get warnings but get all your props added first. Then, you can go back and straiten out all the channel configs. String will be your friend. It will be a better friend if you have Excel and copy to Xcel so that you can sort and filter. It would be an even better friend if you could do that right in the window, but you can't everything (where would you put it?).

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On 1/24/2021 at 8:22 AM, tlogan said:

 

Yes, that's what I did as well. Makes it MUCH easier to add WOW sequences.

As far as building the Preview, I realized it was much easier to build the preview WITHOUT even thinking about the sequence. Open the PREVIEW DESIGN window and maximize it. Add your picture and your props to the picture. You don't even need to think out channel config at this point., You may get warnings but get all your props added first. Then, you can go back and straiten out all the channel configs. String will be your friend. It will be a better friend if you have Excel and copy to Xcel so that you can sort and filter. It would be an even better friend if you could do that right in the window, but you can't everything (where would you put it?).

Hi again,

hope youve had a good summer circling back here as its getting closer to the season. I have my preview all built up.  Cant quite undestand the labelling of channels though. If im using the same channel to power multiple strings how do i label that versus just dedicating 1 channel for 1 string. 

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1 minute ago, Sam house said:

Hi again,

hope youve had a good summer circling back here as its getting closer to the season. I have my preview all built up.  Cant quite undestand the labelling of channels though. If im using the same channel to power multiple strings how do i label that versus just dedicating 1 channel for 1 string. 

Prop def. upper right hand corner - check “use same channel as”…. Select the channel

JR

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Thanks that was super helpful. I’ve managed to get everything cleaned up and basics of my preview done.  

 

Trying to run the preview in the sequencer now from a song I downloaded from wowlights but can’t get the preview to run.  The song plays but nothing else. What am I doing wrong?

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Happy fall guys,  Getting back to my project here now that the sun is back in hiding.  Trying to put together just a basic first show using one controller.  I believe i assigned all the proper channels etc as there are no error messages showing on my preview.  I originally started using S4 and was able to get the preview to work  After being persuaded into going with S5 by many on here i started over, and now I cant get the new preview i created to work with the already done sequences i purchased from WoW lights.  I included a screen shot of my channel allocation and what im seeing when trying to run the preview.  Am I missing something simple here??  Thanks in advance for your help

Project screenshot.jpg

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It looks like several of the props share channel assignments.  There are no channel conflicts or warnings, so I am assuming that is correct and you are using the "Use same channel as" function.  I realize that with only 16 channels, duplicating stuff is far more needed than if you have more controllers available.

As Don said "What's not working?"

 

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In his previous post I informed him of using the “share same channel”. He replied that it worked.

I am assuming he has copy paste issues from his Wow lights sequence , just a guess though.

In that pic, there appears to be no sequence.Unless my eyes fail me.

JR

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1 hour ago, Sam house said:

Yes I’ve used the share channel feature suggested by JR.

 

I can’t get the preview to play when running the sequence?

Are you trying their WOW sequence or are you copy paste in to your sequence?

It must match up to your Config to play.

Easy way to verify your sequence will play is to 

Right click on one of your channel grids

Scroll down to “select”

Next “row”

Right click inside the yellow boundary and select “turn on” at the top

Then open your play back window and play.

JR

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Sorry, was out of town Saturday so, just catching up here. I don't get how the share same unit/circuit works, unless you want to props on different units to do the same thing.

If he (the OP) is using a single 16 AC controller and has multiple props sharing the same channel (there are 7 on Unit 1 circuit 2!), how do you connect up all the other props to that one dangle? If they are all doing the same thing, I just run multiple extension cords using triple taps (although I 've never had more than two on a dangle) and don't even try to sequence a prop that is doing the exact same thing. MAYBE it's worth it if the plan is to move to RGB or smart pixels in the future. But starting out, it seems to me like it will REALLY confuse things. 

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3 minutes ago, tlogan said:

I don't get how the share same unit/circuit works

Example: You have 16 total channels. The way your display is set up you have two wire frame trees that bookend your display, and you want them to do the same thing.

In Preview you create the first tree, and assign it to Channel 15. You then create the 2nd tree and tell it to Share Same Channel as the first tree you created.
Every prop has to have a channel assignment that doesn't duplicate. Share Same Channel allows you to have multiple props on the preview connected to the same channel.

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Thanks @Don. So if I'm understanding, the OP can only have 16 props lighted with one AC controller, unless he does like I do, which is to use a triple tap and run extensions from that one dangle to the duplicated props, correct?

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11 minutes ago, tlogan said:

Thanks @Don. So if I'm understanding, the OP can only have 16 props lighted with one AC controller, unless he does like I do, which is to use a triple tap and run extensions from that one dangle to the duplicated props, correct?

That is correct. A T or other extension cord will work.

OP - the “share same channel as” box that Don is referring to is top right side in prop def

JR

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56 minutes ago, tlogan said:

Thanks @Don. So if I'm understanding, the OP can only have 16 props lighted with one AC controller, unless he does like I do, which is to use a triple tap and run extensions from that one dangle to the duplicated props, correct?

Just pay attention to Total AC Load (hard to exceed with LED strings) for each channel  (8 amps maximum for LOR built w/heatsinks) and overall Bank.  Personally, I would try and stay below 4A

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i don't see it mentioned, but for connecting AC light strings in various place, look up SPT1 wire and vampire plugs.    Gives you a lot of flexibility to connect the strings together you want to act as one.   I have close to a mile of wire connecting things together.  

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On 9/18/2021 at 8:31 PM, dibblejr said:

Are you trying their WOW sequence or are you copy paste in to your sequence?

It must match up to your Config to play.

Easy way to verify your sequence will play is to 

Right click on one of your channel grids

Scroll down to “select”

Next “row”

Right click inside the yellow boundary and select “turn on” at the top

Then open your play back window and play.

JR

I must be doing something wrong. When I right click on a channel all I get is a menu that says

  “Prop definition”

”use this prop for thumbnails”

”convert to grid view group”

”set channels”

 

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Hey Don.

thanks for sending the training course.  I purchased it and watched the whole things It gave me a larger understanding of everything but I’m still stuck on getting my preview to work.  It didn’t really give me any more insight then I already had there.  
 

When I have my preview pulled up on the sequencer the weird thing is that none of my changes as far as lights and props are on the picture of the preview. When I look at the preview seperatly by itself it’s all there but when I combine it with the sequencer I just see the pic with no lights. Is that normal or ? 

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1 hour ago, Sam house said:

but when I combine it with the sequencer I just see the pic with no lights. Is that normal or ?

Do you have any of the lights programmed? Are you playing a sequence?

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