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6 hours ago, Don said:

From what I see on the Network Speed page, Pixies can do 1000k.

Those pages sometimes have typos as I recall Mike saying years ago that he writes the manuals and sometimes as humans errors occur.

That’s just like the new pixie Manual stating 200 pixels per port. I haven’t gotten any clarification in that since it’s always been 170 as with the 512 DMX pixels per universe.

All I know is what is in the NP setup screen.

”1000 reserved for Pixcon16 only” so I base my statements on that.

All of my pixies have always ran at 500k ELOR and have never had a problem. I have helped many who all they see is pix and select the 1000k pixcon only setting and has problems. 
 

JR

 

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Well according to what I have concluded - the Software has a 150 Pixel limitation / Port - the Hardware has a 150 LED limitation / Port

And a 720 watt power supply is required to run a 16x50 Ribbon Tree

That is my design plan - using two ELOR Networks each with less then 2000 pixels

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However, an LOR network at 1000K speed is enough to run 2000-2500 pixels in
your display. To give you an idea of what you can do with a few thousand pixels, take a look at our
website and view our ‘Cosmic Color Tree’ videos. The trees in those videos are using 800 pixels OR LESS.
With 1000K LOR network you could have 3 of them – all without the need to go to E1.31!

 

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Network Protocols and Speeds
There are three network protocols currently in use:
LOR Normal, LOR Enhanced, and PixieLink.
LOR normal is the protocol that has been used by
LOR controllers from year 0.

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LOR Enhanced protocol is a newer compressed
data protocol designed specifically for high density
pixel displays. It is pretty much required for even a
moderately active display.

PixieLink protocol is used between a PixieLink
E1.31/Art-Net adapter and Pixies. The PixieLink
adapter allows Pixies and other LOR G3 controllers
to be used with a standard Ethernet E1.31 source.

The Pixie controllers understand all protocols and
automatically detect network speeds from 19.2Kbits
per second up to 17Mbps.
All delivered Pixies have
at least 5Mbps comm chips and will always work
with PixieLink at 4.25Mbps. They will usually work
with PixieLink at 8.5Mbps. The 8-pin socketed chip
near the RJ45 jack may need to be upgraded to a
10Mbps chip to use the 17Mbps PixieLink speed.

 

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18 minutes ago, KYHI said:

Well according to what I have concluded - the Software has a 150 Pixel limitation / Port - the Hardware has a 150 LED limitation / Port

And a 720 watt power supply is required to run a 16x50 Ribbon Tree

That is my design plan - using two ELOR Networks each with less then 1200 pixels

 

All of those conclusions are incorrect.

Pixie Port Limits - 170

Software limits - 170 

Power Supply - 500 is what LOR sells their preassembled pixie16's with and they run 50x16 just fine.

And yes I would not have more that 1 pixie16  on a network at one time unless you are under using it. You can have other controllers on the same network though,

JR

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23 minutes ago, KYHI said:

Well according to what I have concluded - the Software has a 150 Pixel limitation / Port - the Hardware has a 150 LED limitation / Port

And a 720 watt power supply is required to run a 16x50 Ribbon Tree

That is my design plan - using two ELOR Networks each with less then 1200 pixels

 

You have a pro license so just get a good E1.31 controller and all the limits go out the window.  😁

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2 hours ago, KYHI said:

Three Channels per Pixel ? Correct ?? 1 Red, 1 Green, 1 Blue

Maybe I miss understand

Welcome to the confusion, some caused by evolving systems. 

IMHO Ports  should be used for any LOR controller connectors, be it 1 Channel for AC or non-RGB DC, 3 for Dumb or smart RGB controllers, 3 or 5 for some smart RGB/DMX

Going back to your Arches. by starting at 41 you have a single orphan ID (40. The only x0 ID prohibited is 00

IMHO Gaps (Binary multiples) is good. A Pixie2 can become a Pixie4  with NO existing sequence PAIN (or effort). You just add Ports (I just added a LOGICAL Pixie4 controller into that 4 ID gap I left)

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You do NOT need to use a Single PSU for Pixie8, Pixie16, Pixcon16 or CMB24 (dumb). These all have BANKS that can be powered separately (and can even be different voltages)

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11 minutes ago, TheDucks said:

Going back to your Arches. by starting at 41 you have a single orphan ID

Got hem from Imported WowLights Arches Prop

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8 minutes ago, KYHI said:

Got hem from Imported WowLights Arches Prop

Ah! done for those who never learned to count in HEX 🥺 (and not helping to TRAIN them further). 

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51 minutes ago, TheDucks said:

You do NOT need to use a Single PSU for Pixie8, Pixie16, Pixcon16 or CMB24 (dumb). These all have BANKS that can be powered separately (and can even be different voltages)

And it seems that (2) 12v 350 watt power supplies are comparable (little more or little less) in price as to (1) 12v 500 watt power supply

Thus if I decide on a Ribbon Tree (due to actual height) I'll opt for a 2 power supply setup

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24 minutes ago, KYHI said:

And it seems that (2) 12v 350 watt power supplies are comparable (little more or little less) in price as to (1) 12v 500 watt power supply

Thus if I decide on a Ribbon Tree (due to actual height) I'll opt for a 2 power supply setup

Except for my beta testing pixie16 all of mine have 500w per bank. Well I do have one double controller a pixie16 and 8 combo that has a grand total of 1500 watts but that was the second pixel controller in my line up and a couple of us here netted great deals on some 750 Meanwell Commercial grade controller. So it got two of them and power my matrix since.

But yes 350w per bank is good.

My 4’s and 8’s all have 500 to 700 watts

My 2’s - 350w

JR

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Alright I have a plan and a shopping list..

So does anyone want to help out a New User with the Budget ???

LOL, I am taking donations....

Many Thanks To All For The Information Provided, as I have a good leg up on Next Years Halloween & Christmas Displays

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found the Actual Specs on the Bullet/Square Pixels

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  • Node Type: Smart Bullet
  • Nodes Per. String: 50
  • Based On 100% White
    • Max Node Current Draw: 60mA
    • Max Node Wattage: 0.72W
    • Max String Current Draw: 3A
    • Max String Wattage: 36W
    • Max Nodes Before Power Injection: 120

so it seems based upon Max intensity Full White - each Pixie Port really only supports 50 Pixels

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1 hour ago, KYHI said:

found the Actual Specs on the Bullet/Square Pixels

so it seems based upon Max intensity Full White - each Pixie Port really only supports 50 Pixels

That is why you power inject (fuse leads recommended) the rest of the AMPS . If you feed 12V at the other (Far) end, you are Golden for 100 nodes. or at Node  51, 101 for 150.

BUT if you only have short bursts of White: you can do 100  (12V) without PI as long as your PSU can deal with the REAL White Current. Enough times with longer whites MIGHT weaken the fuse, HAVE SPARES.

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45 minutes ago, TheDucks said:

That is why you power inject (fuse leads recommended) the rest of the AMPS . If you feed 12V at the other (Far) end, you are Golden for 100 nodes. or at Node  51, 101 for 150.

BUT if you only have short bursts of White: you can do 100  (12V) without PI as long as your PSU can deal with the REAL White Current. Enough times with longer whites MIGHT weaken the fuse, HAVE SPARES.

Trust me, PI is not a "rule".My longest straight run 156 no PI. My longest short run 725 nodes no PI.

JR

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Results vary as there are many options - although the Actual Specs do matter - in any application..

Dibble, did I not read a post stating you run at 30% intensity? - I could be wrong..

 

 

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18 minutes ago, KYHI said:

Results vary as there are many options - although the Actual Specs do matter - in any application..

Dibble, did I not read a post stating you run at 30% intensity? - I could be wrong..

 

 

Yup 30/40 depending but they all worked with a slight variance of white if all on. I could barely tell. Pre S5 I could not turn the intensities down outside of sequencing it, S5 has made it easy so now all are dim from DMX to LOR. And they are still really bright especially at my house where there are no other lights - no street lights and al  trees.

JR

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33 minutes ago, KYHI said:

 

Dibble, did I not read a post stating you run at 30% intensity? - I could be wrong..

You will find that 100% intensity is very very bright. Most of use lower intensities to reduce the need for sunglasses at night 

Music has dynamic range, lights can have too. The lights should match the mood of the song, then  a short bright burst is more effective on peaks.

 

 

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Because I didn't know any better, I've been running more Than 7,000 pixels on one 500k network and I haven't experienced any lag even on very complex sequences. I use a mix of pixie 4s, 8s and 16s.  

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19 minutes ago, bbig said:

Because I didn't know any better, I've been running more Than 7,000 pixels on one 500k network and I haven't experienced any lag even on very complex sequences. I use a mix of pixie 4s, 8s and 16s.  

Seeing how it wasn't long ago that you discovered how to set them up and I was one of the first beta testers and have about 32 pixies I will call it how I see it. 21K channels on one NW, BS.

JR

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