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8 minutes ago, Orville said:

I always thought 3 wire were DC +, DC - and Data, if f 4 Wires then the 4th was for Clock.  What does PI mean?  Pixel Input.   I've usually seen 3 and 4 wire labeled as I had stated earlier.  So a PI label is one I haven't seen before.  And I think it's odd how the photo's start at showing only a 3 wire unit, then transform later  into a 4 wire one.  Seems they have 2 different products for the photographs of this unit, but says nothing about the difference for the 4th {or the 3rd} wife in the description.   Least not that I could find.

 

PI- power injection.  There are 5 wires. 3 for the controller +, -, D (with connectors) 2 lose wires are + and -. The OP will want the 3 wires. Look at the link I posted above, they are the correct. The OPs add has multiple types.

JR

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Different pixel types can require generally three wires (Power positive, power negative, and data) or four wires (adds a clock signal).  Sometimes the strings are wired with a separate power positive and negative connection so that Power Injection can easily be made at that point.  The first photo on the page for the pixels being discussed has the PI wires showing in the lower right corner.  That page can be confusing because there are at least two different pixel types in the photos, but no indication which is which (other than knowing that the 2811 is an eight pin chip and some of the photos show a 14 pin chip).

 

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Thanks! And JR, I still have that link that you sent, that will be the route I will go.... the only reason I came across this, I was shopping around for something that wasn’t from China.... I did manage to find the same lights from a person in California, but not as cheap.... also, I watched your video this morning. Thank you, it gives me a perfect idea, also,i  can show my bride exactly what the style will look like......./////

I’ve gotta figure out how to mount them to my columns... I was thinking I could do 10 lights up/10 lights down on each. 

I’m going with the 2 pixie 8s set up. I’ve got about 250 ft of  shielded 18/4 wire that I acquired as “corporate benefits” from work. ;)

Am I correct on upgrading to PRO lvl, AND buying 16CCR superstar? (obviously need to upgrade to S5)

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33 minutes ago, weigh2fast4u@yahoo.com said:

I was shopping around for something that wasn’t from China....

I think I am glad I got my annual Ray Wu order completed earlier this year.

 

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Thanks guys.... and JR, i just ordered 200 from the link you sent me... I will play with those when they come in. by the time they get here, i should have the software. and will need some help after that! i can play with my columns with the order of 200.... 

that hardware store thats within walking distance of my house told me he keeps 500ft of 1/2 PVC in stock..... probably going to paint them black so they wont be so obvious.

 

when you screwed the HC clips in your shingles, did you put any caulk on them before drilling holes in the roof?

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2 hours ago, weigh2fast4u@yahoo.com said:

Thanks guys.... and JR, i just ordered 200 from the link you sent me... I will play with those when they come in. by the time they get here, i should have the software. and will need some help after that! i can play with my columns with the order of 200.... 

that hardware store thats within walking distance of my house told me he keeps 500ft of 1/2 PVC in stock..... probably going to paint them black so they wont be so obvious.

 

when you screwed the HC clips in your shingles, did you put any caulk on them before drilling holes in the roof?

Mine are actually on the soffits , no silicone required. 
 

Let me know when you need help.

JR

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9 hours ago, weigh2fast4u@yahoo.com said:

Thanks! And JR, I still have that link that you sent, that will be the route I will go.... the only reason I came across this, I was shopping around for something that wasn’t from China.... I did manage to find the same lights from a person in California, but not as cheap.... also, I watched your video this morning. Thank you, it gives me a perfect idea, also,i  can show my bride exactly what the style will look like......./////

I’ve gotta figure out how to mount them to my columns... I was thinking I could do 10 lights up/10 lights down on each. 

I’m going with the 2 pixie 8s set up. I’ve got about 250 ft of  shielded 18/4 wire that I acquired as “corporate benefits” from work. ;)

Am I correct on upgrading to PRO lvl, AND buying 16CCR superstar? (obviously need to upgrade to S5)

If you have actual real columns- I know sounds funny but a great friend always refers to his columns but he doesn’t have them except for holiday time.

Anyway you can get some large 3’ zip ties and just zip ties for the holiday. If you need longer just connect how ever many zip ties together.

JR

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9 minutes ago, weigh2fast4u@yahoo.com said:

I would love to be able to put about 4-6 rows of nodes on each column... I just can’t afford all those nodes and the controllers that it would take to run 2400 nodes. Lol

Keep in mind you  don't have to populate every node hole in the nets though. Vince's idea will still work and give you expansion room later. 

JR

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I agree, I’ve been thinking though. This will only be my second year doing the show, I wanna start with something simple... if this year goes good, I may do nets this year. Or some other kind of design. If yours had withstood the weather for 3 years +, then no matter what, I can always add to later :D, I’m gonna use the 3 node strips everywhere  this year, they are cheaper to cover more area.

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wow.... pro level..... holy crap. what have I done... i need another monitor.... 😅

my lights should be here in about two weeks... by then ill have my two pixie 8s ready and wired for testing... i am pretty sure i have the number of nodes along my layout that i will need.....is there an easy way to change the colors of the special effect?.... also since i am only doing a house outline in pixels,,, would superstar benefit me or make this any easier?

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On 4/23/2020 at 7:39 AM, weigh2fast4u@yahoo.com said:

wow.... pro level..... holy crap. what have I done... i need another monitor.... 😅

my lights should be here in about two weeks... by then ill have my two pixie 8s ready and wired for testing... i am pretty sure i have the number of nodes along my layout that i will need.....is there an easy way to change the colors of the special effect?.... also since i am only doing a house outline in pixels,,, would superstar benefit me or make this any easier?

If you are only doing an outline S5 will do for now. I am a novice at S5 so not much help there but there are plenty of others that may chime in. Nothing like just playing around with it to start.

JR

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yeah. I see that now after playing with it. I got my boxes wired up tonight..... the tracking number says I’ve got 10 more days of shipping to usps.. it made it through customs already.... and I also found your YouTube account when I was looking up how to ID the pixies..... what kind of AR was that you were having trouble with?

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5 hours ago, weigh2fast4u@yahoo.com said:

yeah. I see that now after playing with it. I got my boxes wired up tonight..... the tracking number says I’ve got 10 more days of shipping to usps.. it made it through customs already.... and I also found your YouTube account when I was looking up how to ID the pixies..... what kind of AR was that you were having trouble with?

Out of curiosity was you able to view my old show videos? I had to go look at the video you referenced because I have built so many and every now and then have a bad part. Then I noticed the Christmas videos. I haven't been on the youtube account in a while , use Vimeo now. They are more forgiving.

The instructions on setting up the pixie controllers along with a written step by step is under the General Hardware section of the forums pinned a the very top.

That was a little toy I built and took with me to James Morris house to test, the video was before testing.

Also- did you take Don up on his S5 webinars? I did, though I missed a few mins due to a bad selection of laptops, I tried to use my sequencing lap top to view the seminar and couldn't use it to work. Had to make a quick change.

JR

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I did not look for any videos, at the time i didnt have any more time to watch after i watched the ID set video.... and it is just as simple as setting up the AC controllers. 

I have not watched any Webinars.

S5 is completely different... I am having trouble figuring out how to change the colors of the preset motion effects. still working on it. ill figure it out. i am playing around with it now... working on Thriller right now.......

I uploaded my Enter Sandman that i ran last year under AC controllers and I ran it under my RGB outline.. lol it set up each pixel on my columns as a channel and all had different colors. it was wild.... ive got some time... hopefully my plant (machinist/Millwright) runs good tonight and I can play with it tonight.

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On 1/23/2020 at 11:40 AM, k6ccc said:

As for strips vs pixels, there are advantages and disadvantages of each.  A LOT of it is personal preference.  So here are my opinions.

Pixels look a lot more like Christmas, ribbons on a roof makes it look like a nightclub or casino.

Pixels can be spaced as whatever interval you want, ribbons are available only in a few spacings.

Pixels are FAR easier to repair when (not if) a pixel fails.

Ribbons are more fragile than pixels.

On my roofline, I have GE Color Effects bulbs (between the size of a C7 and a C9) spaced about 8 inches apart.  My viewing distance is farther than yours.

As for controllers, there is a huge amount of variation.  If you want to stay with LOR network controllers, it means Pixie series.  If you go with E1.31, you have a lot of options - both LOR and others.

With smart nodes of almost any type, you are generally better off to have several smaller controllers that are close to the props rather than one controller with long cables (they don't work).

One other thought is wiring safety.  Since you are doing a lot of stuff on your porch, make sure you don't leave a huge tripping hazard.  If the underside or the roof over the porch follows the slope of the roof, you could mount a controller to the underside of the roof  and it would be largely out of sight and you could run all the wiring overhead.  You could also likely mount them to the house side of the columns and they would not show in the dark.  A couple of examples that use this annotated photo:

weigh2fast4u_house_example.png

 

2) Uses two Pixie 8 controllers.  Mount each controller at the green arrow.  Each controller feeds three columns, half the roof, half the eves, and one window.  One also feeds the door (six and seven outputs).

 

 

I am going with the 2 pixie 8s.....

i was planning on using 1 channel for the roof. and 1 channel for the facia.... for easier sequencing... I have both controllers set for the unit ID 01 and 02.

some of my lights came in.. i only ordered 200 to start with.... 

after testing. I realize i am going to have to power inject every 40 nodes for a full bright white

the roof will be 142 nodes if i space them 2 inches apart with 4 PI points.

119 if i space them 3 inches apart. with 3 PI points. 

will this be okay? 

Does the PIs take some of the load off of the 350w meanwell power supply?

based off of JR's longest run of around 150 of these, Im thinking this will be okay. 

I dont really wanna seperate the roof and facia. IDK how sequencing half the roof and half the facia would be... i think it would be a touch more aggravation. 

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Pixie 8 uses EIGHT ID's per controller 01 - 08, 09 - 0F  (your Pro level is more than good for this)  You set the controller to the bold

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17 hours ago, weigh2fast4u@yahoo.com said:

Gotta figure out how to put HC clips on my

J channel without screwing holes in it. then I’ll be able to do my windows and door.. Just ordered 600 more of these lights 🤣 😬

Try some small rare earth magnets. Glue one to the clip and slide the other or something under the j chanel

You can get rem's on amazon really cheap, just be careful with them.

Glad you got everything working.

JR

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