Papagayo

[James Hill]

Sorry if this was posted somewhere else. Looked for a few hours but cannot find anything.

I was wanting to use my face pics with Papagayo (thanks Bob) and placed them in the Papagayo face folder.

After breakdown in Papagayo...noticed that the "AI" and the "WQ" face shapes didn't show up on the animation (blank) but everything else did. If I clicked and dragged the shape face onto the timeline it then would show in the animation. However after completing the sequence and converting it into LOR clipboard and pasting it. Found the AI and the WQ is still blank. What needs to be done to fix this? Using version 1.3.5.3.

Thanks everyone for the help in advance!!!

Edited January 14, 2016 by James Hill

[James Hill]

So I talked to BobO and it turns out one of my problems was that I named the "Open Mouth" pic file as A"el" not A"eye". Didn't notice until I looked at the other files within Papagayo's face folder. Turns out the font used for naming the folders and pics use a serif style font and the visual part of the program uses a san serif style font. Had to go to work so I will see if that fixes everything tomorrow. Thanks again BobO this program is great!!!

[Old Sarge]

just wondering if you are able to get the timings for the mouths to go in the right places after importing them... I have tried numerous time, different speed frame settings and Have been trying to get it to work sense last April.... Theyt are always off for as much as 5 to 6 seconds and that is after they are looking kinda perfect in Papagayo before saving and sending them to be inported/ copy pasted and I do know to paste by time... Just please... 

 

iF YOU GET IT TO WORK PLEASE POST AS MUCH LITTLE DETAIL AS YOU CAN ON HOW YOU GOT THE TIMING TO IMPORT RIGHT.

 

tHANKS..

 

oH... i HAVE ASKED bOB IN THE PASTE AND DID WHAT HE SAID. MADE SURE MY TIMING FOR FRAMES WERE SET RIGHT AND STILL IT DIDNT WORK..

 

i JUST DONT WANT TO KEEP BOTHERING bOB ABOUT IT AS HE WAS A REALLY GREAT HELP[ IN GETTING MY .LEE FILE SET UP AND TEACHING ME HOW TO USE THE VISUALISER.. SAME TIME WHILE TRYING TO WORK pAPAGAYP WITH ME.

 

oH nO MY KEY bOARD IS CRAPPED OUT... i WILL BE BACK GOT tO cHANGE IT..

[jerrymac]

I always break down the song into very short sections (2 or 3 phrases at a time) and paste the completed sections together.

After importing the text, set the start and end times on the screen before changing any other timing.  Watch the wave form.   Set each word start and end time (drag to position), to test click on the section and it will play only that section so you can shorten or lengthen as needed.  If you change the beginning or ending section everything will move and you get to start over again.

Once the start and end times are done start at either the start end or the finish end. listening to the music and watch the wave form you can get the timing SPOT on (use 1/4 and 1/2 speed. Drag not only the word start and end times but the portions of the word for a solid word sounding.

Once you have everything exactly on time shift the entire sequence  a tiny bit early with the nudge left, (this will reduce or eliminate the lip sync impression). This is because your eyes see the lips move before you ears hear the sound.

Edited January 15, 2016 by jerrymac

[James Hill]

Hey there Old Sarge,

I am having a problem with timing also. I chopped up my song into 3 sections with Audacity. I completed the first section and pasted into LOR. I found out that for that piece it needed to be streatched about 1.5 sec or so. I have contacted BobO and explained in deeper detail and appologized if we are beating a dead horse. Just waiting for a response.

 

jerrymac, you probably have chopped up your audio file a lot more and don't see the time shift as much. I am currious if this is due to converting the audio file from one format into WAV and then using the original format for Sequencing?

 

Waiting to see what BobO has to say.

[jerrymac]

When you paste into the actual LOR sequence be sure and paste by time.   I mark the actual sequence with timing marks at the beginning of EACH word (keyboard tap) then adjust to line them up properly and give me a place to paste to.  once I have made the changes to the convert file, I use the past at interval by time.  works great and i have done lots of songs this way.  I never mark up a section of the file that i more than 2 verses. and usually only one verse. (only because if I mess it up I don't want to redue a lot of work. )

[Old Sarge]

Sorry Jerry but after reading your post about After importing the text, set the start and end times on the screen before changing any other timing.  Watch the wave form.   Set each word start and end time (drag to position), to test click on the section and it will play only that section so you can shorten or lengthen as needed.  If you change the beginning or ending section everything will move and you get to start over again.

Once the start and end times are done start at either the start end or the finish end. listening to the music and watch the wave form you can get the timing SPOT on (use 1/4 and 1/2 speed. Drag not only the word start and end times but the portions of the word for a solid word sounding.

Once you have everything exactly on time shift the entire sequence  a tiny bit early with the nudge left, (this will reduce or eliminate the lip sync impression). This is because your eyes see the lips move before you ears hear the sound.

 

Its even more confusing and doesnt really follow BOBS Tutorials..

 

I have no idea how to  mark the actual sequence with timing marks at the beginning of EACH word (keyboard tap).

 

​The best one I did was by breaking it down in Audacity ONE SENTENCE at a time and doing it that way.... had a file for every sentence of the song and then imported onto seq editor that way and then moved it to where it was in the seq for the right timing on the right channel.. 

 

Took longer to break the songs down in Audacity then it did for anything.. and yes, I used wave in the papagayo and mp3 in lor.. 

 

as for as the words for the songs... I find the words on the net, take out the special marks like " ' , . etc. and after making sure they are word for word right with the song I copy paste it into Papagayo.  I know the words have to be right and the right amount if repeated etc... no problem there... 

 

Only prob is when I import into LOR no matter what I have tried the timing has always been way off..  unless I just put it there and then move it around or copy paste it to the channel where it needs to go after placing it anywhere in a seq such as on a open channel..

Edited January 15, 2016 by Old Sarge

[ItsMeBobO]

I am happy to show anyone who is interested how to use papagayo.    I am 100% sure everyone can do this.     Very important to use 25fps.   If your words when pasted into SE dont line up..  There are only two things which could be wrong.  1) you are using a different audio file.  2) you are not using 25fps.       IMPORTANT:  Papagayo may incorrectly show 25fps.  (< bold underline & color for over emphasis)  If you are having trouble you must be certain the source .pgo file has 25 fps stored in it.    Open the .pgo with notepad and change line three from 24 to 25.   Then open that file in papagayo and slide your words again to match the audio. 

[Old Sarge]

Thanks Bob... I thought I tried that before... Now... exactly what file is that .pgo    is it the one after running the words in Papagayo or in the install files etc... That confuses me... 

 

I did change it on the Papagayo after I opened it before I even put the words in it...  So I am confused... is it in that application file somewhere or in the file after I run it and do the shifting around etc??

 

Sorry Bob but I am kinda a computer Novice... I know some ... just enough to get me in trouble.... And you really helped me a lot in the past... especially when helping me set up mu .lee file and visualizer instructions you gave me last year.

 

Thank You Again Bob

[ItsMeBobO]

Look at 4:15 of this video.      The .pgo file contains the words and positions of those words which you are animating in Papagayo.  You can see the FPS on line three.

Edited January 19, 2016 by ItsMeBobO

[Brian Dietrich]

BobO,

You are always there to help.

Thanks for all you do.

[James Hill]

Hello everyone,

 

Hey there "ItsMeBobO", when I open my .pgo in clipboard it doesn't show the file like your vimeo video but there is a 24 or 25 right after the .wav like the screen shot I sent you.

 

But I did notice when in papagayo, if you select 25 FPS and then select it again or type it in the second time, the time line in the window with the words and syllables change to 25 FPS. Then I finished my work and sent it to the clipboard - it worked. Had to tweak a few phrases by about 1/3 to 1/4 sec. but the sequence lines up much better. Not sure how I stumbled upon having to enter the FPS twice and realizing the timing changed but if this helps others....try it.

[ItsMeBobO]

Yippee!   ok  great.   Glad you got past that.  

[Old Sarge]

I finally got it to work on 25...

I never noticed that I had to keep selecting it and watching the timing numbers to see if they changed... I did  John Wayne ... why I love America on it... I didnt work on it a lot to try to get the timings exact but it came out pretty good I think.

 Now I have a different problem..

I closed it and a couple days later I tried to use Papagayo and it does not start... I have rebooted numerous times, I have uninstalled... rebooted, reinstalled etc. numerous times and still cannot get it to open...

Any Idea as to what I may need to delete to reinstall or what the problem is???

 

I did no changes to my computer or any programs and still cannot get it to open and work... it will open but when I try to add music to it or open a papagayp saved file nothing happens... it just says not responding on the top window bar of it.

Edited February 6, 2016 by Old Sarge
I tried it again with a new install and it worked

[Old Sarge]

disregard the post about it not responding... I just did another (3rd or 4th) uninstall and reinstall and it worked.. 

[ItsMeBobO]

Old Sarge 

Sometimes  Papagaygo opens up off the visible screen.  So it does start but you can't see it.   This could happen if you have more than one monitor especially if you unplug one or rearrange them. 

To correct this you can use the system program RegEdit.   This program is part of windows so everyone already has it.   First reboot to be sure papagayo is not running.  Do not try to start papagayo yet.

Open RegEdit and navigate using the left panel.  The registry key is HKEY_CURRENT_USER\SOFTWARE\Lost Marble\PapagayoMod     You will find the values  of xpos and ypos are very large numbers.  

Set them both to 100.   Then you can open papagayo and it will be visible on your screen. 

[Old Sarge]

thanks Bob... I just use one monitor but am planning on maybe going to two or maybe even three for a couple Flight Sims that I run at times.. 

 

I did get it working though... I dont know what happened but I tried it again after another reinstall and it opened and ran fine..

 

I will remember what you said about it hiding..