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Please don't flame me for this question, but what's the difference between the CTB16PC and a LOR1602W, aside from the CTB16PC requiring some assembly? The reason I ask is that I've been helping my dad with his light show this year, and I'm planning on doing one next year. I'm pretty handy with a soldering iron, so if there's no functional difference between the two units, I'm planning on getting the CTB16PC. However, if there's a significant difference that I'm over looking, please let me know.

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Nick

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With the exception of amperage handled and the setting of unit ids they are functionally identical.

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That's what I needed to know. I looked at the user guide for the CTB16PC. Everything looks easy enought to put together. Am I correct that you're to use the hardware utility to assign the unit ID #'s?

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Push Eject wrote:

With the exception of amperage handled and the setting of unit ids they are functionally identical.


Also no standalone in the 16PC's.

-Tim
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Tim Fischer wrote:

Push Eject wrote:
With the exception of amperage handled and the setting of unit ids they are functionally identical.


Also no standalone in the 16PC's.

-Tim


Ah! Thanks, Tim. I have two of each, but have never considered the option of running the 1602s stand-alone. Appreciate the correction.

Charlie
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Yeah, In the 4+ years I've owned LOR boxes, I've never used standalone.

Also remember only one "master" is needed, so you can certainly chain CTB-16PC's off of a CTB-16D "master".

-Tim

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Tim Fischer wrote:

Push Eject wrote:
With the exception of amperage handled and the setting of unit ids they are functionally identical.


Also no standalone in the 16PC's.

-Tim


Yet....they have the possibilities of being updated to be used as stand alone. LOR 2 really is going to open up a whole new world with all the boards, including the PC boards.
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In the software/hardware world, a bird in hand is worth a few dozen in the bush :P

-Tim

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Tim Fischer wrote:

Yeah, In the 4+ years I've owned LOR boxes, I've never used standalone.

Also remember only one "master" is needed, so you can certainly chain CTB-16PC's off of a CTB-16D "master".

-Tim

Does this mean that you couldn't just use 2 CTB-16PC's? I am currently running a CTB-16PC, and am planning next year's expansion. I was originally thinking that I could just add another CTB-16PC. I am not looking for standalone capability. I can't seem to find any information on LOR's website.
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dstevens wrote:

Tim Fischer wrote:
Yeah, In the 4+ years I've owned LOR boxes, I've never used standalone.

Also remember only one "master" is needed, so you can certainly chain CTB-16PC's off of a CTB-16D "master".

-Tim

Does this mean that you couldn't just use 2 CTB-16PC's? I am currently running a CTB-16PC, and am planning next year's expansion. I was originally thinking that I could just add another CTB-16PC. I am not looking for standalone capability. I can't seem to find any information on LOR's website.


My statement was referring to standalone capability.

You can use all CTB16PC's, or any other combination of controllers, in a controlled show (be it either a PC or an MP3 director as the controller).

-Tim
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Let me expand on what Tim said.

Right now, if you want to have standalone capabilities now, you can not use the PC boards. You will have to use either the MP3 director of the 16D. What Tim said is that all you need is one 16D to have standalone capabilities, after that you can attach whatever controllers you want. So if you have 2 PC boards you chain would be as follows...

16D - - PC - - PC

What I brought up was, that the PC boards will eventually have the same capabilities down the line. That will come with later firmware updates that they will be releasing when they really open up the possibilities of what LOR 2 can do.

Greg

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Ponddude wrote:

What I brought up was, that the PC boards will eventually have the same capabilities down the line. That will come with later firmware updates that they will be releasing when they really open up the possibilities of what LOR 2 can do.


Is that something that's been announced?

-Tim
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LightORamaDan

Tim Fischer wrote:

Ponddude wrote:
What I brought up was, that the PC boards will eventually have the same capabilities down the line. That will come with later firmware updates that they will be releasing when they really open up the possibilities of what LOR 2 can do.


Is that something that's been announced?

-Tim


That is nothing that we have announced... However some people have discovered that there is a way to get them to run standalone by tricking the Hardware Utility into sending a standalone sequence to them! PC series does not have the external eprom for large standalone sequences so they will never be able to support anything except a rather small sequence.

Because the firmware in the PC is based on the 16D, the processor did its best to handle a standalone sequence even when it knows the eprom is missing. A side effect that was not anticipated and is not supported.
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LightORamaDan wrote:

Tim Fischer wrote:
Ponddude wrote:
What I brought up was, that the PC boards will eventually have the same capabilities down the line. That will come with later firmware updates that they will be releasing when they really open up the possibilities of what LOR 2 can do.


Is that something that's been announced? 

-Tim


That is nothing that we have announced... However some people have discovered that there is a way to get them to run standalone by tricking the Hardware Utility into sending a standalone sequence to them!  PC series does not have the external eprom for large standalone sequences so they will never be able to support anything except a rather small sequence.

Because the firmware in the PC is based on the 16D, the processor did its best to handle a standalone sequence even when it knows the eprom is missing. A side effect that was not anticipated and is not supported.


You let my secret out!! lol

Greg
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If you have a 16D you can run the 16pc as a slave to the 16D being a show controller. The 16D does have stand alone.

If all you have are 16PC, then yes you must have a computer to be the show controller

Chuck

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cmoore60 wrote:

If you have a 16D you can run the 16pc as a slave to the 16D being a show controller. The 16D does have stand alone.

If all you have are 16PC, then yes you must have a computer to be the show controller

Chuck


Chuck,

I am new to this and planning in getting the 16PC kit controller. So you are saying that if I purchase a 16PC kit, can it be the master controller? I am not interested in the stand alone with MP3 Director. I am looking into going wireless in using LOR "Easy Light Linker". Do you know if this have the capability?
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In general, if you only have the PC series controllers, you will either need a computer, or a (mini)Director card to send commands to the controllers. Wireless only changes this to the extent that both/all the wireless linkers need a power source. The wireless unit close to a controller will be powered by the controller. If you have a PC and a wireless as the show controller, you will need the USB-485B adapter to provide power to the wireless linker..

Note also that the stand alone operation that people mention is animation sequences only. Zero musical capability, so it won't be a consideration for most users. Personally, I think I have used it exactly once in a DC card, as a demo at a meeting..

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Thanks KLB,

I plan on using my computer as the show controller. I understand now that I will need a USB-485B for the Linker to transmit the animated show only and the main controller outside will have a Linker connected to it. As for the music, I plan on getting an EDM or Ramsey FM transmitter. I read from this formum that they are decient transmitters.

Thanks again for your info. I just want to make sure I get all my stuff in order before I start purchasing the equipment that will be needed.

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Essentially, yes. There really is no main controller in a computer driven show.. The PC is sending the commands, and powering the USB-485B, which in turn powers the linker... The other linker is powered by the closest controller. That linker receives the commands from the one attached to the PC, and sends it down the wire.. Each controller responds to the commands sent to its address.. Nothing about any of it makes any one controller any more important than any other...

I wish EDM would announce when they will have a RDS transmitter on the market.. Currently I think the EDM LCD is one of the best deals out there for our use. I'm sticking with my Ramsey FM 30B for now, but an EDM RDS unit will likely get my attention..

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Thanks again KLB,

One more information I would like to know. I should be able to connnect another controller to the main controller with the linker - Right? I should not need another Linker for the second controller, correct me if I am wrong.

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Controllers daisy chain together. If I remember correctly, the linker has two RJ-45 ports on it, so it can either go at the end of a chain of controllers, or anywhere along the length of a chain of controllers.

The reasons you might want a third linker would include cases where you have other controllers that are not reasonable to cable to the ones with your first controller group.

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