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Im looking at putting audio on the site. Im wondering if it would be seen as legal if to download the edited files if users had to agree that they have already purchased the audio. If anyone knows more about they laws around this, please chime in. 

I would stay clear of any sharing of audio files.  Even edited versions are still derived from a copyrighted original.  Of course most everyone is going to agree they own a purchased copy. Numerous file sharing sites that share primarily music files have been shut down. There are hundreds of sequence files that can be shared using music that people already have or can purchase.  If they want to edit a sequence I suggest they learn how to do it and use a program such as audacity to edit their own audio file.I think what you are putting together is great but why set yourself up for possible legal problems as your site grows bigger. I myself have edited some music to create a sequence or two but the majority of my work is unedited.  I think you will grow quite a large library that there really shouldn't be a need for edited material.  Just my .02. 

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I spend about two hours per minute per 32 channels. I don't give away my sequences because they would be utterly useless to anyone else. I don't use the "standard layout " for channels, props, etc.

My sequences are custom made for how the lights are laid out in my yard an on my home. There are no mini-trees, arches, stars, super trees, etc. with no standard props, the upside is that my show is very unique, but the downside is that sharing is impossible.

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I spend about two hours per minute per 32 channels. I don't give away my sequences because they would be utterly useless to anyone else. I don't use the "standard layout " for channels, props, etc. My sequences are custom made for how the lights are laid out in my yard an on my home. There are no mini-trees, arches, stars, super trees, etc. with no standard props, the upside is that my show is very unique, but the downside is that sharing is impossible.

 

If a person is only looking for "timing" in a sequence, then your channel config would actually be better. This way a person is not navigating around arches, mega trees, mini trees, etc...

Only 1 hour for each minute!!!!

Wow it takes me 8 hours to sequence 1 minute of a song.

 

I hear ya brother. Can't rush perfection. :)

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Only 1 hour for each minute!!!!

Wow it takes me 8 hours to sequence 1 minute of a song.

 

 

I hear ya brother. Can't rush perfection. :)

 

With all due respect, depending on the number of channels involved, 1 hour per minute isn't out of the realm of possibility. 

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Only 1 hour for each minute!!!!

Wow it takes me 8 hours to sequence 1 minute of a song.

10 hours per minute for me: 128 standard LOR channels +800 RGB channels to change

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Personally I don't see the problem with buying a few sequences from LOR if you are a real newbie and don't know how to sequence or have the time to. If you spent the money for at least 1 controller, software, extension cords/SPT cord and plugs, and of course the lights themselves what is another $35-$45 per song? Especially getting the ones you can later modify after you know how to sequence. Use them as a building block, see what the programmers did and copy or add to the sequence as you learn and your display grows. My first two years I went from 1 controller to two controllers and had the old 5 song sequence package that I think I got during one of the sales. Was it absolutely perfect for my setup, no. Did it get me a show in time for the season and impress my family and friends and did they enjoy the show, Yes!

My point is, I'm pretty new here too. Been doing shows for 4 years straight and due to moving and having everything in a storage unit I'm not doing a show this year. If you are real new here and want a show up and running and don't know how to sequence, don't want to learn or don't have the time to learn this season then go to the LOR sequence store and buy 2-3 sequences and the audio for it. Next year, take a LOR class, attend the Christmas Expo, attend a local mini or watch videos online both by LOR and individuals.

 

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Al

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IMHO - to all of those that do share, you should keep in mind that noone EVER has the same setup as you do when it comes to elements.  There may be the same number of channels but elements, I doubt it.  If you look at these requests as coming from "Beggars" compared to nothing less than a flock of seagulls attacking a bag of open potato chips, then keep your sequences to yourself.  Use PM, and ignore all you want.  Or simply state in your posts  'I dont share, so please dont ask', maybe you will be left alone.

 

I dont disagree that it is alot of hard work to sequence a song from start to scratch, but I am sure at one time or another we have all sat there with all of this in front of us and said OK, now what?  A little kick start from a shared sequence goes a long way.

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A kick start is one thing. We all had to start  doing our own thing. Spoon feeding the newbs that are too lazy to even try to sequence their own show material is another.

Come On folks this is not Mr. Christmas. It's not Gemmy. The folks in the forums tell you straight up this is not a plug and play sort of thing.

Get over it, you have to invest some time to get your show to look and keep time with your audio track. I want I want is not what this hobby is all about.

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Folks. We were all new to this hobby once.

 

Can we tone it down a little bit, please? We go through this every year. If you don't want to help someone, then don't. But don't go bashing all newbies just because some come around asking for a handout.

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I wonder if I could hold open auditions to program my house this year :)

 

Get me your channel count and the length of the music and I'll be happy to shoot you a quote for next year.

 

If a person is only looking for "timing" in a sequence, then your channel config would actually be better.

Not to be disagreeable Tom, (although I need to point out that timing marks/grids stay with the sequence, not the .lcc) but I've looked at some (and ONLY some) of what's available in free sequence land, and I think that if a person is only looking for timing, the Beat Wizard can deliver far superior results. It's like teaching a man to fish (Beat Wizard) compared to simply giving him a fish (free sequences for "timings"). And it does so in less time than it takes to log in here, much less post a thread. So I'm sorry, but that part of the argument doesn't hold water.

If all someone is looking for is timings, send them to me and I'll teach them how to do it for themselves in ten seconds or less.

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Great start on the site.  I think the video of the sequence is great and exactly what some of us need to get ideas to create our own.  I normally sequence next years show while the current show is running, I like to visit other shows and get ideas which puts me in the mood to sequence.  I admit that getting the timing and beats down is difficult for me and looking at sequences and videos helps.  Thanks for the your efforts, and Thanks to everyone else on this forum that  helps keep this Hobby alive and growing.

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Not to be disagreeable Tom, (although I need to point out that timing marks/grids stay with the sequence, not the .lcc) but I've looked at some (and ONLY some) of what's available in free sequence land, and I think that if a person is only looking for timing, the Beat Wizard can deliver far superior results. It's like teaching a man to fish (Beat Wizard) compared to simply giving him a fish (free sequences for "timings"). And it does so in less time than it takes to log in here, much less post a thread. So I'm sorry, but that part of the argument doesn't hold water.

If all someone is looking for is timings, send them to me and I'll teach them how to do it for themselves in ten seconds or less.

Yes, I realize the timing marks stay with the sequence and not lcc. I was referring to what his layout consisted of (single props, not groups of them), which can sometimes simplify mixing into another's layout as I just finished helping someone get their show built using similar layouts (single props).

It was simpler because the timing was already there but so were the effects (fades, shimmers, on & off).

When I saw the word "Impossible" in the earlier post, I thought nonsense. It is possible.

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and I think that if a person is only looking for timing, the Beat Wizard can deliver far superior results.

I have to respectfully disagree with there. The Beat Wizard might be good for TSO, but as a musician, I don't get quality results with the beat wizard on anything with a shuffle (some rock, all blues and jazz) or most classical/soundtrack pieces which contain variable tempos.

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I have to respectfully disagree with there. The Beat Wizard might be good for TSO, but as a musician, I don't get quality results with the beat wizard on anything with a shuffle (some rock, all blues and jazz) or most classical/soundtrack pieces which contain variable tempos.

You can run the Beat Wizard in sections of the song. Thus if the song changes time signatures from 4/4 to 3/4 and back to 4/4, you simply run the BW in sections. ID where the time change happens, and tell it to run those parts.

 

Done it many times. Usually end up with 3 or more timing grids to sections of the song.

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I create my own sequences but I also like to comapre with what other people have been able to create. It not only helps with creativity but I have often found sections that "wow, why didnt i think of that".
Some are just straight up awesome as they are, so i modify to add my touch to it and then give credit if shared.

 

This year, I have my 2 oldest kids (16 & 14) sit down and start learniing how to sequence. Not only the show get something out of it and helps continue the family light tradition but its also an integeral part of the "hobby". Even if you suck at it, watch other shows, look at other sequences and learn from there. Noone was born amazing at sequencing (although creativity is a good gift to have), so requesting and sharing is a major part of the initial learning experience.

 

I see a couple of problems with such an influx of requests.
1) Kind people who dont mind sharing will become overwhelmed and no longer share (This post is evident that people are already starting to feel the "pressure")
2) The newbies (I am still one myself) will not bother to learn the craft and instead continue to request and use shared sequences.

3) There are a ton of site out there that offer both free and paid sequences. Unless a person on here has something that is impossible to find on the free (or even paid) market, asking here should be a last resort.

 

I have learnt soooo much from the sequences that have been shared as well as the ones i have downloaded. IMO thats part of the learning curve and as long as the end result is understanding and being able to create your own sequences I dont think there is anything wrong with requesting as long as it is in moderation.

 

But thats just my 2 cents #FoodLionAdFTW

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