JoshPoget Posted May 7, 2013 Share Posted May 7, 2013 I am setting up a water fountain show by a pool using the LOR DC card to control it. I will need LOR to turn on the water pump that is connected to a relay in a Pentair IntelliSense load center. There is a control panel in the house that controls pool lights, the pump, etc by sending signals to the load centers ”personality”.Does anyone have experience doing something like this? I am thinking I can just tap directly into the relay, but I am not sure how that is done. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ken Benedict Posted May 7, 2013 Share Posted May 7, 2013 Best bet is to hire an electrician to look into this customized remote relay. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
plasmadrive Posted May 7, 2013 Share Posted May 7, 2013 I am setting up a water fountain show by a pool using the LOR DC card to control it. I will need LOR to turn on the water pump that is connected to a relay in a Pentair IntelliSense load center.There is a control panel in the house that controls pool lights, the pump, etc by sending signals to the load centers ”personality”.Does anyone have experience doing something like this? I am thinking I can just tap directly into the relay, but I am not sure how that is done.There really isn't enough info here to help you, but watch out for electricians (wiremen) in general regarding controls applications.... most that I run into haven't got a clue about controls... which is good for me since I do controls.. What you need is an electrician with technical control experience or a controls technician.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
viennaxmas Posted May 9, 2013 Share Posted May 9, 2013 Intellitouch uses a serial protocol to communicate.It would largely depend how the circuits in the load center are set up. Technically you could add a second relay in parallel. Without a close look inside the intellitouch load center or the circuit diagram it is impossible to say if it would work.Also if you have an intelliflo pump with built in electronics you are out of luck. They do not turn on by switching the power on. They also need a control signal. And they will turn off automatically if all valves are closed. It almost seems like the better choice would be a dedicated pump... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steven Posted May 9, 2013 Share Posted May 9, 2013 I will need LOR to turn on the water pump that is connected to a relay in a Pentair IntelliSense load center. If you are referring to the "IntelliTouch Pool and Spa Load Center", I see that it has a number of aux sensor/switch inputs that I assume you can program to control the water pump. Any controller could activate a low-power relay to control these inputs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoshPoget Posted May 9, 2013 Author Share Posted May 9, 2013 (edited) Yes, it is the IntelliTouch Pool and Spa Load Center, I will include some pictures of the diagram printed on the panel door. Also, my pumps are Pentair Whisperflow. If I were to add another relay in parallel, will it be possible to turnthe pump off if the original relay in the panel is telling the pump toturn on (and the new relay is telling it to turn off)? Edited May 9, 2013 by JoshPoget Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steven Posted May 9, 2013 Share Posted May 9, 2013 If I were to add another relay in parallel, will it be possible to turnthe pump off if the original relay in the panel is telling the pump toturn on (and the new relay is telling it to turn off)? I would first talk to a tech person at Pentair. Tell them you need to control the pump using low-voltage switchs. Tell them the switchs are similar to the switches in the spa remote, except that one pump should be turned on when one switch is held on (closed), and the pump should be forced off (even if the schedule has it running) when the other switch is closed. The switches will most likely be connected to the auxiliary switch inputs. They will be low-power relays that will be controlled with an LOR channel (either with the DC board or a 120v coil relay with a 120v LOR controller). If Pentair tells you that is impossible, then you'll have to work around the problem by using power relays to energize the pump directly. One disadvantage is that you'll have to get into the 120v wiring, which will make the power center no longer UL listed. If you put a relay in parallel with the existing relay, then you can turn the pump on with LOR, although if the load center has a schedule that turns the pump on, you won't be able to turn it off with LOR. If you want this additional ability, then you'll have to wire the NC (normally closed) contact of a relay in series that will disconnect the pump from the load center. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TonyD Posted May 19, 2013 Share Posted May 19, 2013 Wow i don't have ANY need for something like this but i so totally want one because it would just so cool to have it.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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