TitusCarnathan Posted January 8, 2013 Share Posted January 8, 2013 Instead of blocking vendors from telling the people about their sales. The people that need lights for the controllers that they buy. Why not have a vendor section like planet Christmas has and have a note in there stating lor has nonthing to do with it.Sent from my iPod touch. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TitusCarnathan Posted January 8, 2013 Author Share Posted January 8, 2013 (edited) It's not fair to those of us that can tell the difference between LOR and a vendor. It would be like me blaming the newspaper because there is an ad in there for watermelon at a store and the store ran out.Sent from my Ipod touch Edited January 8, 2013 by TitusCarnathan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shfr26 Posted January 8, 2013 Share Posted January 8, 2013 Your first post, read Dan reason.Your second post, What????? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TitusCarnathan Posted January 8, 2013 Author Share Posted January 8, 2013 (edited) That's why I suggested for them to have a vendor section. I am not sure how people think that lor is responsible for what other companies do that is what the second post is for. Edited January 8, 2013 by TitusCarnathan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LightORamaDan Posted January 8, 2013 Share Posted January 8, 2013 Unfortunately it is not that simple. Forums like Planet Christmas (and news papers) are public forums. It does not matter who the vendor is (within reason). However the LOR Forums are part of a business. We are not going to let our competitors post here. Some companies/vendors are both synergistic and competitive and it can be difficult to draw the line and I do not want to get into it it. As far as people blaming the news paper because of an ad, you are of course correct but unfortunately a number of such people exist and it wastes our time. There are plenty of public forums for companies to hawk their wares. Dan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DougP Posted January 8, 2013 Share Posted January 8, 2013 So I can't let people here know about my wireframes? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TitusCarnathan Posted January 8, 2013 Author Share Posted January 8, 2013 To help out other users durring their pre-sales. Would it be alright if we posted a link to their sale page/ad. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shfr26 Posted January 8, 2013 Share Posted January 8, 2013 So I can't let people here know about my wireframes?I think the keyword from Dan was "competitors". I may be wrong, again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
George Simmons Posted January 8, 2013 Share Posted January 8, 2013 I guess that also includes my custom sequencing. Wait - LOR doesn't offer custom sequencing, so does that mean I can still offer my services? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TitusCarnathan Posted January 8, 2013 Author Share Posted January 8, 2013 I think the keyword from Dan was "competitors". I may be wrong, again.What about CDI MITS AND HLE those are not competitors. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
plasmadrive Posted January 8, 2013 Share Posted January 8, 2013 (edited) I understand why you did this Dan, but it may be counter productive to LOR as well. Ie.... when I buy extra lights, props, pieces and parts, I need controllers.. If I can't find the deals I want for lights and other items here, I will look at other forums, which also have competing products... and since I can find the lights and props there, is it not just as easy for me to do the "one stop shopping" thing? I have for the last few years relied on the LOR forums for much of my info as to where to find things that I might want and ideas for expansion of my display. I belong to other forums but I don't read them any where near as much as this one.. So now I find I may have to spend more time in those forums... that will take away from time spent on this forum.. the one where LOR is the primary...So, this could be a double edge sword for LOR.. I'm just sayin... Edited January 8, 2013 by plasmadrive Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pstigerfan Posted January 8, 2013 Share Posted January 8, 2013 I agree with the banning of "LOR competitors" posting pre-sale and other info on these forums. However, I don't see companies like CDI, MITS, and HLE as "direct competitors of LOR". LOR's basic business is controllers and peripherals related to controllers. LOR doesn't sell LED lights, so how does that conflict with CDI and others?The only reason I found at about pre-sales at these companies was because of their posts on these forums, which by purchasing through them, allowed me to spend more money purchasing LOR equipment through LOR.I would see an issue if a company like Renard or AL were posting on here, but that is not the case. I politely ask that LOR management rethink this policy change, because I believe that it is not in the best interest of LOR. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TitusCarnathan Posted January 8, 2013 Author Share Posted January 8, 2013 (edited) I added a poll to the top of this topic. Edited January 8, 2013 by TitusCarnathan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Herbaclaus Posted January 8, 2013 Share Posted January 8, 2013 Hmmm.I run and own a large business. I think this is a bad call. You would rather have users HERE than going elsewhere. I like seeing vendors advertise. I think LOR as a leader can take confidence in having a large community with differing views coming HERE often versus deciding to spend more time elsewhere. The devil you know is better than the devil you don't.Ultimately ya'lls call. But forcing people elsewhere versus getting their answers here is just not a great play.Your business though. So your call. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
plasmadrive Posted January 8, 2013 Share Posted January 8, 2013 I agree with the banning of "LOR competitors" posting pre-sale and other info on these forums. However, I don't see companies like CDI, MITS, and HLE as "direct competitors of LOR". LOR's basic business is controllers and peripherals related to controllers. LOR doesn't sell LED lights, so how does that conflict with CDI and others?The only reason I found at about pre-sales at these companies was because of their posts on these forums, which by purchasing through them, allowed me to spend more money purchasing LOR equipment through LOR.I would see an issue if a company like Renard or AL were posting on here, but that is not the case. I politely ask that LOR management rethink this policy change, because I believe that it is not in the best interest of LOR.I don't have an issue with that competitive ban.. but like Dan said.. causes arguments and hassles.. not sure what the fix for this would be.. but I am not so sure wiping all of it out is the answer either.. but then, it is not my forum..I will be spending a lot more time on other forums now.. and there is only so much time to do this.. so that means I won't spend as much time here.. but that's just me.. perhaps it is time to broaden my horizons anyway... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DougP Posted January 8, 2013 Share Posted January 8, 2013 The products that I sell like the singing frames take more channels to run. I would think that I'm helping them sell more controllers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TitusCarnathan Posted January 8, 2013 Author Share Posted January 8, 2013 It's the same with buying more lights you would need more channels. Which means more controller sales. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
George Simmons Posted January 8, 2013 Share Posted January 8, 2013 (edited) And I believe the sequencing I provide causes people to buy more controllers each year also. I base this on the fact that almost all of them DO buy more controllers each year.I think someone should contact Alex Jones and share this with him. I'm smelling a conspiracy designed to get more traffic to the PC forum that most of us have fled because we detest the atmosphere there. Edited January 8, 2013 by George Simmons Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LightORamaDan Posted January 8, 2013 Share Posted January 8, 2013 I don't have an issue with that competitive ban.. but like Dan said.. causes arguments and hassles.. not sure what the fix for this would be.. but I am not so sure wiping all of it out is the answer either.. but then, it is not my forum..I will be spending a lot more time on other forums now.. and there is only so much time to do this.. so that means I won't spend as much time here.. but that's just me.. perhaps it is time to broaden my horizons anyway...Look, I am not sure what the final answer will be but for now it will stay the way it is for a while. I have no real issue with people finding about deals from other vendors here but I need to come up with a way to control it. You do not know the time spent on this and it is significant. As far as the poll is concerned, The results should not really provide any data that is unexpected. But a comment on polls in general... I could put up a poll (should you grab candy away from a baby)... worded like that it would probably get a lot of NO answers. If worded like: Should you take high sugar, choke hazard, tooth rotting candy away from a baby? you would get a different result.And all I mean by that is that things are not always as simply as they seem.Dan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
plasmadrive Posted January 8, 2013 Share Posted January 8, 2013 Look, I am not sure what the final answer will be but for now it will stay the way it is for a while. I have no real issue with people finding about deals from other vendors here but I need to come up with a way to control it. You do not know the time spent on this and it is significant. As far as the poll is concerned, The results should not really provide any data that is unexpected. But a comment on polls in general... I could put up a poll (should you grab candy away from a baby)... worded like that it would probably get a lot of NO answers. If worded like: Should you take high sugar, choke hazard, tooth rotting candy away from a baby? you would get a different result.And all I mean by that is that things are not always as simply as they seem.DanDanDan,I am sure you will work out something.. I would never even considered that something like this was an issue to begin with.. We don't all know what happens behind the scenes.. and I am sure we out here don't have all the answers..I hope you figure out what you are going to do in the long term..As for me, I have relied too heavily on this forum for the sales info regarding lights and so on.. I only book marked the LOR threads with the web sites because I knew I could always find them on the LOR forum.. now that is no longer the case as of today.. so after deleting all those book marks I have to go find those web sites and bookmark them as I should have in the beginning.. Not a daunting task I am sure, but not a task I was expecting to have to do. I am sure I will have to search for some that I don't remember and that will take me to other forums that I don't usually frequent. Like I said, it is probably time for me to broaden my horizons anyway.. I have spent a great deal of time on here without really doing much searching elsewhere for info. I think I may have gotten a bit too comfortable with a single source it would seem....I hope you figure it all out Dan.. you have a lot on your plate and I would not want to have to deal with all you are going thru.. Good luck.Craig Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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