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WOW!! If this is the way it went down, then that "junior member of the staff" and the "ill prepared Moderator" need to be spoken to by the company owner. Jeff is a wealth of knowledge and this forum will not be the same without him. Just my opinion.

Maybe Jeff knew more than the ones mentioned above and they did not like that thought.

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I wonder if this has made its way up the chain in LOR????

I jumped into LOR with both feet and my wallet two years ago and now looking to expand into a much higher density of lights... I run my show from my laptop and if there is a potential issue with the LOR S3 at the higher pixel count.. perhaps it is time to look around a bit to see what else is available..

I have been happy with LOR hardware to date and the service is great.. however... the software can bugger up the whole mess IF it becomes an issue..

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We all know LOR is a very good company, they have proven this time and time again. If they know a problem is out there I am sure they will fix it. Dan has already chimed in about working on a new version of S3 or (S4?) that will handle a much larger channel count. Pixels exploded much quicker than anyone imagined. Like William said a few posts above the first quarter of 2012 will be very interesting in what new info comes in about both pixel hardware and software.

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WOW! That is really sad. Jeff helped me out a bunched when I started doing this 2 years ago. He wasn't just a LOR guru, but he was always thinking about safety. Always chiming in on how many ways something could blow up in your face if you did something wrong.

I can relate to him. He's very direct (I am that way as well). That doesn't sit well with the "delicate flowers" of the world.

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There it is! LOL I dont like to push anything on anyone thats why my comments above were........

"In my opinion the best controller for the best price hasnt even been mentioned anywhere above."

I just like to say do a Little research and compare for yourself. The winner to me is obvious. More universes for lower price, able to do unicast, easy drop down menu setup ummm WINNING. The P12 is awesome as well. Not my video but if you want to see how the menu and setup look here ya go.

Hey I recognize that voice.. Looks like Zach is still tinkering. He seems to always be on top of the latest boards.
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I did not know that Jeff had taken a leave of absence, it amazes me that he could be treated badly by any junior LOR staff , I sure hope Dan gets this problem rectified so I can pick Jeff's brain again,

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Unfortunately, this world is now filled with WAY TOO MANY of those delicate flowers. I am a hardware IT guy, and wear my emotions on my sleeve, I tell it like it is, and have had several run ins now with management at my primary job. It’s really sad, they tell me I have to change the way I am, because I offend (or may offend) someone when I tell them the truth. (e.g. "they have no clue what in the sam hell they are doing!!"

I tell my wife all the time, "don't be a sheep!, there are way too many sheep in this world already!!" she looks at me like I am nuts...

I will get off my soap box now.

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There's a great deal at Ray Wu's for some digital strips but they're 2811's. Does anone know of a cost effective controller for 2811's??

http://www.aliexpres..._568458133.html

This whole tread goes over the controllers for the 2811 strip over 1.31 protocol.

http://www.sandevices.com/E681info.html

and

http://www.j1sys.com/ethcongateway/

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This whole tread goes over the controllers for the 2811 strip over 1.31 protocol.

http://www.sandevice...m/E681info.html

and

http://www.j1sys.com/ethcongateway/

Yeah I know.... I was hoping for something like the ECG-P2 at 5 cents a pixel....but it doesn't do 2811.... (that's why I said cost effective....lol)

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Yeah I know.... I was hoping for something like the ECG-P2 at 5 cents a pixel....but it doesn't do 2811.... (that's why I said cost effective....lol)

The ECG-p2 does do 2811 pixels. My entire display is 2811 and ECG-p2's. It was an update a month or so ago that added 2811 to the drop down menu in the setup. I left Zach a comment on his video above that he needed to up date that board to add 2811 to the drop down.

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Assuming I had an unlimited budget and didn't want the to do all the work, would the CCP's form LOR be my answer? Don't they come with their own controller? Would there be less of a moisture problem with them then with strips ? Could you get the same effect with them as with pixel strips?

Sorry, I know, a lot of dump questions but I'm trying to wrap my head into this and I'm really confused.

I don't want to bash any product...

I use the CCPixels but on a very small scale though. I originally started out my pixel matrix with only CCPixels, I jumped ship to the WS2811 (I liked the brightness of the 2811 over the TS3001 eventhough most people say to use the 3001s for video)

Here is my headache with video documentation.....

http://forums.lightorama.com/index.php?/topic/20956-ccp-santa-house/

All information is good.

Good luck!

Eric

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I wondered that same thing. Busy time of year, and I must have missed it also.

So I contacted Jeff and here's what he had to say:

"I left the LOR help forum because I stumbled on a major flaw in the LOR system related to system crashes on Laptops. I was dismissed by a junior member of the staff as having failing computers that need to be reimaged. When I replied that he needed to step aside and allow the adult members of the staff take care of the issues he was ill prepared to recognize or even understand with his limited skills, my posts were removed by an otherwise similarly ill prepared Moderator. The issue is a major flaw in the LOR system that requires competent programmers to research and solve. Laymen acting as some form of road block for their superiors have no place in this business. That he took it upon himself to interfere with my findings and for all intents and purposes block any discussion I cared to post with accusations, ended my involvement with LOR. I no longer support the company in any way. I've begun to sell off all LOR hardware to further distance myself from a company that would openly attack their biggest fans and supporters. Attacking a customer for their posts about an issue that can be reproduced on several machines, and has been duplicated by several other customers... that's a cover up. What it equates to is this: I don't understand the problem, so I'll just push the person reporting it aside. For that behavior, I'll take my business and as many potential new customers as I can dissuade elsewhere."

Speaking for myself, I find it disturbing that he would have been treated like that by ANYONE associated with LOR. Obviously, my understanding of what Beta Testers are supposed to do is incorrect - all this time I thought we were SUPPOSED to identify problems and bugs in the software.

In any event, I, for one, will miss Jeff a great deal. He might not always suffer fools graciously, (and he's not alone there) but there's very few people around here who know more than he does about how to do what we do safely. It's sad that all of us, especially new people, have lost such a valuable resource.

I understand where he's coming from. When I owned Christmas Carolina, I got fed up with some of the things happening there. So I freely gave it to another person, domain & software which is several hundred dollars, and deleted my account. It's been over a year and haven't looked back. So from his viewpoint, he's been liberated.

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I got Pixels from diy led express I would imagine that they are from RAY WU and they were not IP68 I had about 5 or 6 out of 100 (only 80 were being used) pixels short out. I am still wondering if I am going to go any more deeper into the pixels or not.

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Must of been a bad run, I used 750 pixels from Todd and the guys at diyledexpress and not a single pixel was bad. I even ordered extra thinking there may be a few bad but nope not one failed pixel. I even hooked power up to a couple of them backwards a few times working outside in the dark and they still didnt go bad. Mine are the 2811 pixel strings and they are sealed very well and have been out in heavy heavy rain a lot since early Nov. I havent had to return anything to them but from my dealings with them they seemed willing to help with any issues. Have you tried shooting them an email and letting them know you got some bad items, surely they would be willing to help you out.

Saw this on diyledexpresses facebook page a few days ago................

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If your just getting started, there is something to be said for keeping it simple. THe cheapest and easier ... is to just use regular incand. mini lights (cheap) and wrap the three colors into super strings (R,G,C). BUt thats old school. Its something I've done but want to move away from because the lights fade (esp. green). Good quality LED(s) are the next step up, lights last longer, but still relatively simple to program, but cost is a lot more. THen RGB dumb string is the next best and its like having LED strings that can do any color, but you can't control each BULB ... but the PRO is still pretty easy to sequence a RGB string vs. all those pixels. THen the ultimate is the RGB (smart) pixels and you can potentially control them all with something like Nutcracker, LOR, superstar, etc. But the downside is complexity and cost.

If I were you, if it took on a rgb smart pixel tree the first year, that would be almost my entire show' focus. It would probably be the biggest wow factor also and keeping it simple and limited makes you odds of success go up. I would also seriously consider only doing a 1/2 tree to also cut costs in half and realizing most viewing can only see that part anyways. I would stay away from spiral wraps and other things that add complexity. If you do a smart rgb 1/2 megatree ... nutcracker can do the spirals in software for you ... even if you just run the lights vertically for 180 degrees.

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Just stumbled across this thread.. I am using the e680 series from sandivices. Yea it took a little time but thanks to Jeff Millard, I got it all figured out.

I am using the 3001ic pixels from ray, 5volts. Had to inject power but all and all a great setup. I did not have a pixel fail during this season. I had a purpose for going the pixel route. My roof line last year was lacking the wow factor. So I specifically knew what I wanted to do.. and this was the best/cheapest route. I am running 900 dmx channels on 8 strands of pixels. (Wreath I have 2 pixels per channel). Here is a small sample of what I did with them http://vimeo.com/m/54209388

Now, for those wanting to experiment, I would find pixels here in the states.. shipping cost is a well fill in the blank if you order 1 or 2 strands.. keep in mind ray also will make lights to any spacing you request with little or no change in price.

This year im planning on doing a pixel tree on the roof as well (got a half a board empty, cant have that!!!! ) so ill be

Playing with the nutcracker soon.

As far as everyone in north texas looking into this. Let me know via pm see if we can get a how to session going.

I wish everyone a safe new years!

Arnold claycomb

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Can't we all just get along??

Too bad there is so much drama in a "hobby" something that is supposed to bring smiles and happiness.

Who is not getting along around here? and where is the drama? all I am reading is what people have tried and tested, no drama from what I can see

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Can't we all just get along??

Too bad there is so much drama in a "hobby" something that is supposed to bring smiles and happiness.

Look at who is crying wolf. Yet your tag line is a challenge in of its self. "But mine goes to 11".

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