Mike Manzara Posted June 2, 2012 Share Posted June 2, 2012 The Copyright Board of Canada announced on May 25 fees will now be charged when people use recorded music as part of a public event, including weddings, parades, circuses and karaoke."Authors of this music have been paid royalties for decades; performers and makers of sound recordings have yet to receive any compensation in this respect," the board notes in its reasoning to introduce the new fees.These are different from SOCAN (Society of Composers, Authors and Music Publishers of Canada) fees, which pay songwriters and publishers of music.The new Re:Sound fee will compensate the people who perform the music -- which in many cases would be the same people who wrote and/or published the music.The board specifically named assemblies, fashion shows, conventions, receptions (including weddings) and video game events as falling under public events that will have to pay up.The cost for a reception is $9.25 for up to 100 people so long as they're not dancing. Add a little Electric Boogaloo and that cost rises to $18.51. The more people, the more you pay, with a cap of $78.66 for more than 500 people.For bars that have karaoke up to three nights a week the fee will be $86.06 annually. If patrons are belting out bad renditions of old favourites more than three nights a week, the fee rises to $124.When it comes to festivals, fairs and exhibitions, there are set fees for up to 75,000 attendees that top out at $42.05. But when there are more than 75,000, the fee becomes 54 cents for the first 100,000 people, 24 cents for the next 100,000 people, 18 cents for the next 300,000, then 13 cents for every person over 500,000.For parade floats, it's $4.39 for each float playing recorded music, with a minimum fee of $32.55.Organizers of events and owners of bars are expected to voluntarily report the music they play to the Copyright Board of Canada. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest wbottomley Posted June 2, 2012 Share Posted June 2, 2012 I didn't see anything about private Christmas light shows. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike Manzara Posted June 2, 2012 Author Share Posted June 2, 2012 I will be contacting them on Monday to get clarification. It does mention parades. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest wbottomley Posted June 2, 2012 Share Posted June 2, 2012 Mike Manzara wrote:I will be contacting them on Monday to get clarification. It does mention parades.Because that's a public performance. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
edvas69 Posted June 2, 2012 Share Posted June 2, 2012 These conditions do seem to be aimed at profit making buisnesses and they should be paying for the rights if they are making money from it.Private Christmas shows which are non profit may fall between the cracks one would hope Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Don Gillespie Posted June 2, 2012 Share Posted June 2, 2012 Wait a second is this the Canadian Goverment doing this? LMAO they can't even look after their own back yard now they want to police the rest of Canada, what a joke, there isn't a judge in all of canada that would uphold that if they tried to include Christmas displays I am not worried or going to lose any sleep over it, as a matter of fact I am going to turn up the volume and let the people rock. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LORi P Posted June 3, 2012 Share Posted June 3, 2012 wbottomley wrote:Mike Manzara wrote:I will be contacting them on Monday to get clarification. It does mention parades.Because that's a public performance.Wedding receptions are generally not open to the general public. Just a group of friends and family. So if that counts as a public performance, I would think our displays would count also. Most of us have websites advertising our displays, and many people include directions to their house. People we don't know come to see our displays, and in some cases, people we don't know line up to see the dispalys. And people from neighboring communities and beyond come. If wedding receptions (non-profit events limited to a specific limited group of friends and family) count, I would definitly think our displays would count. But who knows. :{------------------------------------And how would they know what artists to compensate? If I had to pay to compensate these artists, I would definitely would want to support lesser- known artists like Judy Pancost or Go Fish or local musicians, rather than Mariah Carey and Justin Bieber. And how about Nat King Cole, Elvis, and Michael Jackson???? How do they get compensated? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rescue_653 Posted June 3, 2012 Share Posted June 3, 2012 LORi P wrote:wbottomley wrote:Mike Manzara wrote:I will be contacting them on Monday to get clarification. It does mention parades.Because that's a public performance.Wedding receptions are generally not open to the general public. Just a group of friends and family. So if that counts as a public performance, I would think our displays would count also. Most of us have websites advertising our displays, and many people include directions to their house. People we don't know come to see our displays, and in some cases, people we don't know line up to see the dispalys. And people from neighboring communities and beyond come. If wedding receptions (non-profit events limited to a specific limited group of friends and family) count, I would definitly think our displays would count. But who knows. :{Problem with most weddings is you "hire" a DJ who is making a proffit for the music he is playing which i could see as the issue there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
George Simmons Posted June 3, 2012 Share Posted June 3, 2012 LORi P wrote: ... And how about Nat King Cole, Elvis, and Michael Jackson???? How do they get compensated?Their graves get an extra helping of fertilizer and weed killer each month. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Denis Chaput Posted June 3, 2012 Share Posted June 3, 2012 Don Gillespie wrote: Wait a second is this the Canadian Goverment doing this? LMAO they can't even look after their own back yard now they want to police the rest of Canada, what a joke, there isn't a judge in all of canada that would uphold that if they tried to include Christmas displays I am not worried or going to lose any sleep over it, as a matter of fact I am going to turn up the volume and let the people rock.Who is going to collect these fees, such an idiotic idea as we have little population for such a big country who is going to police this .I agree I won't lose any sleep over this Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pyromill Posted June 4, 2012 Share Posted June 4, 2012 One simple word. GREED Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steven Posted June 4, 2012 Share Posted June 4, 2012 LORi P wrote: If wedding receptions (non-profit events limited to a specific limited group of friends and family) count, I would definitly think our displays would count.Mike Manzara wrote:The more people, the more you pay, with a cap of $78.66 for more than 500 people.It's relatively easy to count the number of people in a wedding reception. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 4, 2012 Share Posted June 4, 2012 Remember folks this is BASED on CANADA, NOT the USA. So no reason for us to go off the deep end there, but we sure can go off the deep end supporting our Candadian LightShow Decorator Friends, because those laws are just downright asinine!If anyone recalls, The Demented Elf had contacted 2 or 3 of the big name recording companies here in the USA, and our displays ARE NOT regulated and we are permitted to use music in our displays as long as it "is not a commercial" or a "for profit" venture. And they also said that chairity boxes do not count as for profit or commercial venues, so folks that raise funds for whatever charities are also exempt.But if you charge a fee to, or for others to enter, or watch your display, then it becomes a performance, and now you're obligated to pay those royalty fees!However, what the Canadian government is doing is boisterously wrong on so many counts it isn't funny.Just my .10¢ worth. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest wbottomley Posted June 4, 2012 Share Posted June 4, 2012 Orville wrote:Just my .10¢ worth.Does that mean we get a novel for $10? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 6, 2012 Share Posted June 6, 2012 wbottomley wrote: Orville wrote:Just my .10¢ worth.Does that mean we get a novel for $10? Nope, not this time. I'm trying to avoid those you know. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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