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DonFL wrote:

It's Dan's company, and hence, his forum, agreed, and I understand how he (and likely the partners) feel this forum is an extension of LOR as a company. I get that.

But what seems to be forgotten is this forum is supported by those who are customers, and show their support by participating in the forum, and helping others (even the ones who think this is plug and play like the computer they get from Best Buy, and with 5 minutes of effort and a couple questions, they can have LMFAO dancing in their driveway). But what seems to be forgotten is, all of those controllers we buy is what has made Dan successful. We're all customers..not just the ones who feel they are being "bullied" into thinking for themselves.

My display is 100% LOR. I have too much into it to make a change and walk away from LOR, but I can do my display without spending a minute helping others on this forum. If things contine as they have these past couple days, I'm probably headed that direction. Sadly, my sense is, others are feeling the same way.

Well said Don - you took the words right out of my brain. Look on the bright side - getting some of the dead weight out of the forum might greatly improve bandwidth issues and response time for people who remain.
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I would hate for you Mastabeta's to leave. You guys are great with providing info and humor to the forum. Maybe if someone asks an obvious non researched question, either don't answer to the post or post only a link and nothing additional. Or just lurk and let us younger vets answer and if we misguide them, then step in and correct us. If someone needs a 'talking to' do it via PM so the rest of don't pile on and make matters worse. There's been a couple times that I posted something inappropriate and got an email from admin, I got corrected and moved on.
It does get very obvious that some members don't like other members and everyone is entitled to their opinion, but it gets a little fustrating if I like both members involved that I feel I need to choose a side and try to stay out of it.

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Jim... be who you are and don't play sides. Your talent is needed in this hobby as well.

Always.... feel free to email or pm me if you need any help.

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Whine, whine, whine. This is all I am seeing from what I thought was a forum of smart mature people. I am 70 years old and still counting my Ps & Qs. Where is the self respect, of ourselves, we should have for doing what we do, with this high tech equipment.
We have been blessed with a rare chance to make thousands of families & kids, joyful & happy. They may have these memories for a lifetime, because of us.
As are most of you, I feel a great sense of achivement when I watch a group of families watching my creation & smiling, ohhing & coming back the next night to watch again.
I have only been in this forumn about a month and for all that time, have read each & every post to date. I have seen nothing I could consider rude or insulting. But have seen a lot I could consider stupid, dumb, un-necessary, im-mature & un-called for. I ignore the ones that fit those descriptions and go on to learn from the others. I pay attention to the first group and mark them as "Ignore"/
It's that simple. It is my decision {not others} to do that.
However, I sometimes have trouble understanding what comes next in what needs to be done. Then I would hope I could reach out to you guys for an answer. I know I may post a stupid question, but to me it is not.
Still, I am responsible, {not others)for what equipment I get. I am responsible, {not others} for making it work. I am responsible, {not others} for learning how it works.
And I would feel very blessed if I could have a chance to help someone else on this forum. All of us here, are a very rare breed, doing what outsiders think is so special.
Where is the respect of others, ready-to-go-that-extra-step, team-work, we can light up anything attitude.
If you are not happy with this forum, leave it. A lot of companies we buy from do not provide one. Thanks to LOR we have one in which to help ourselves. It can only be as good as it's members.

Thanks, & happy to be a member of LOR's forum
Sully Onellion
Lake Arthur, LA.

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scubado wrote:

You guys are great with providing info and humor to the forum.

One person's humor is another person's bullying, and I've got the PMs from Admin to prove that. All you've gotta do is read Admin's open letter to see what I'm talking about. If you can't find it, let me know and I'll post what you're looking for.

As for me, I've already answered my last help question in this forum. There's a whole new crop of experts on the horizon who are willing and able to help you get electrocuted or burn your house down.

Please don't PM me - if I wanted Admin to read what I write I'd just post it publicly. Instead, just use my email address, and as I've always done, I'll help you out to the best of my ability.

Live long and prosper.
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oldmanfather1000 sounds like someone created an account to just [Foul Language Used] people off. So the he will be my fist ignore. THis forum is going down hill in the last 3 months.

To LOR forum admin wrote Just because something is printed in the manual doesn't mean that reading it will cause one to understand it. Everyone learns differently.

Thats great but when you ask did you read the manual. Every time I have recieved a responces I don't have time to read that book. So that line does not apply. I could see if someone said on page 256, I dont understand channel configuration. Then Yah That would apply but havent seen anything like that. Nice try admin.


This fighting as been going on way to long and I know Dan would love for this to stop but its gone past the point of no return. Turning LOR into the PC of past is a mistake that will bring this place down. There are ways to change that but I know no one will listen. I am getting to the point that I will just stop coming to the forum because I have way better things to do then sit here and read all the bs.
I think LOR has had a bad 2011. Out of stock on almost everything, CCB and CCF not out when there was hype. Forum turning into PC and major fights. Even the LOR facebook is becoming a joke.

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How about we turn this thread around and offer up some suggestions on how to improve the mess this forum is in?

Here's my suggestion: Newbies can visit anywhere on the forum to learn, but can only post in the newbie section. The veterans can help or ignore the newbie section and scrictly LOR related. Once they reach posting say 50 posts then the rest of the forum will be opened to them upon review of their posts so they can't cheat their way in. Hopefully by this time they will know more of what's expected of them.

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+ 10 Brian!! A Graduated Forum, like drivers licenses.. I like it! Other idea is a lot of other Forums have Reputation Points.. you answer someone's problem they're having, you get a + Rep Point... answer it wiyth a slam, and you get a -2 hit... Like House points for Gryfyndor or Hufflepuff (I have really no idea what those are, heard it in some movie one day..)

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Champion Sound Entertainment wrote:

T110431 wrote:
these are the people that normally use LOR one year and then sell their equipment

Please point them in my direction. I need more controllers on the cheap! :cool:

and to me if they're from 240 volt countries. :):D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D
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scubado wrote:

How about we turn this thread around and offer up some suggestions on how to improve the mess this forum is in?

Here's my suggestion: Newbies can visit anywhere on the forum to learn, but can only post in the newbie section. The veterans can help or ignore the newbie section and scrictly LOR related. Once they reach posting say 50 posts then the rest of the forum will be opened to them upon review of their posts so they can't cheat their way in. Hopefully by this time they will know more of what's expected of them.

Interesting, would PM's be a graduated system too?
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friskybri wrote:

REally we cant edit our posts that sounds childish of LOR. Just saying.

(Cross posted from the "Put on a Helmet Thread")


I'm almost certain why Dan has disabled the edit buttons, this is so he can track any message once it has been submitted and can't be changed. After all, new messages many times after you hit submit/reply or whatever the button is, folks get them in their in-box.

And if you think about it, the original message that ends up in ones e-mail inbox, may not be the same message on the forum because it has been edited and that content is now removed, but the damage has been done as it has already been delivered to someones e-mail account.

So I'd say Dan has disabled the edit functions so that he can verify that what was originally sent from the forum, was actually sent from the forum and nither the OP had edited the content or the end user at the e-mail end didn't hack or change the message, as these edited posts never get sent out, only the first time submission does, so whatever is in it, is what goes out to someones e-mail account.

And since that could cause issues by what was said, but then the OP after re-reading it AFTER submitting it, thinks about it and now changes the entire post to something it originally wasn't. So for Dan to know what is leaving the forum and not being changed, the edit functions are now disabled, this way if he(Dan) gets sent a copy of the e-mail message, he can check the forum and see for certain, yes, that's exactly what was sent.

And I'll bet that's why the edit functions won't be re-enabled anytime soon.

It's just another way for Dan to track anyone that he/LOR feels are violatiing the rules.

I had to think about this for a while, but I'm almost 100% positive this is why the edit functions no longer function here.
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I have another suggestion. Maybe have a newbie friendly webpage that clearly states that this is not a plug and play hobby, that computer and electrical skills are needed. Link to download the software, the manual, help files and videos etc... If we feel someone hasn't taken the time to go through this page, link them back to it.

I'm sure admin is watching this thread, I have another idea that's off topic. How about a Topic area for the wishlist. This way if someone has a great idea we can discuss it tweak the idea and maybe poll ideas.

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For any newbies that might be reading this, We DO enjoy helping you. Since Halloween there has been a huge increase in membership. Some have taken the time to poke around the forum first before posting, others seem to have no clue what they are stepping into. Or ask a question that's identical to another thread already in progress. This is one of the things that's fustrating to the forum. Sometimes politics and/or religion get thrown in and usually goes downhill from there. We do have a lot of fun and laughs on the forum as well. So please bear with us as things get ironed out and settled down.

This is just my own opinion and thoughts. Welcome aboard and we hope you learn, enjoy and share in this hobby/addiction.

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scubado wrote:

I have another suggestion. Maybe have a newbie friendly webpage that clearly states that this is not a plug and play hobby, that computer and electrical skills are needed. Link to download the software, the manual, help files and videos etc... If we feel someone hasn't taken the time to go through this page, link them back to it.

I'm sure admin is watching this thread, I have another idea that's off topic. How about a Topic area for the wishlist. This way if someone has a great idea we can discuss it tweak the idea and maybe poll ideas.


Scubado, I like your way of thinking! +100!

I think those are excellent suggestions that could be implemented here. That way when a person comes into this hobby they know what to expect eitther before or after the purchase of the software,controllers, etc.

Those are excellent points and I fully agree with you.

Now the rub is, those that seem to not the have time to read manuals or anything else, may try to skip by those areas. Make them a required reading and then some kind of 5 or 10 question test to show the person actually *did read* those pages before they could move on into those areas where the real knowledgable folks are like George Simmons, Jeff Millard, Don in Florida, and many others here.

For example if the test were 5 questions as long as they got 3 of 5 correct or 7 of 10, depending on the number, they could move on to the next level of the forum.

Instead of Newbies, maybe break the forum down in this manner:

Beginners (some folks just don't like the term "Newbie" or "Noob".)

Intermediate (for folks that have been in the hobby less than 5 years.)

Advanced (for those having 5 or more years of experience.)

Beginners could not access Intermediate, Intermediate could not access Advanced (or Experts, if you prefer), but the those levels past Beginners could read the lower levels and respond if they so desired.

Now that could take some doing in the revamp of the forums from the way it's set up now, and not sure Dan wants to put that much work into revamping the forums like that. But it could possibly work, some other forums I'm on are set up similar and work like that. They want to make sure you're serious about whatever that criteria for that forum would be, wether Hardware, Software or something completely different.

Just another thought process, nothing more, nothing less.
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scubado wrote:

For any newbies that might be reading this, We DO enjoy helping you. Since Halloween there has been a huge increase in membership. Some have taken the time to poke around the forum first before posting, others seem to have no clue what they are stepping into. Or ask a question that's identical to another thread already in progress. This is one of the things that's fustrating to the forum. Sometimes politics and/or religion get thrown in and usually goes downhill from there. We do have a lot of fun and laughs on the forum as well. So please bear with us as things get ironed out and settled down.

This is just my own opinion and thoughts. Welcome aboard and we hope you learn, enjoy and share in this hobby/addiction.

Agreed! My sentiments exactly!
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I thought about the test idea too, don't know how feasible it is. But if everyone is pointing them to the newbie webpage, hopefully they'll get the hint or move on to another hobby.

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Orville wrote:

Just another thought process, nothing more, nothing less.

Discussing ideas is great. Keep them coming. I am not a fan of testing within the forum. But I get your point of having credentials.
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