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There is a bill before the US Congress that could significantly impact our little hobby of putting Christmas music to lights. Basically the new law new would make copyright violations (more than 10 views) a criminal felony (now it's all civil). It also extends "copyright violations from reproducing and distributing to performing – including streaming video over the internet." Thus if you put your Christmas light show on Youtube you are now a felon with potentially up to 5 years in prison.

Article
http://www.infowars.com/embedding-youtube-videos-may-soon-be-a-felony/

The Bill
http://www.govtrack.us/congress/billtext.xpd?bill=s112-978

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jstorms wrote:

There is a bill before the US Congress that could significantly impact our little hobby of putting Christmas music to lights. Basically the new law new would make copyright violations (more than 10 views) a criminal felony (now it's all civil). It also extends "copyright violations from reproducing and distributing to performing – including streaming video over the internet." Thus if you put your Christmas light show on Youtube you are now a felon with potentially up to 5 years in prison.

Article
http://www.infowars.com/embedding-youtube-videos-may-soon-be-a-felony/

The Bill
http://www.govtrack.us/congress/billtext.xpd?bill=s112-978


Wholly crap I am moving to Canada!

Oh wait I already live in Canada....

We could use music/song that we have permission to use...
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jstorms wrote:

There is a bill before the US Congress that could significantly impact our little hobby of putting Christmas music to lights. Basically the new law new would make copyright violations (more than 10 views) a criminal felony (now it's all civil). It also extends "copyright violations from reproducing and distributing to performing – including streaming video over the internet." Thus if you put your Christmas light show on Youtube you are now a felon with potentially up to 5 years in prison.

Article
http://www.infowars.com/embedding-youtube-videos-may-soon-be-a-felony/

The Bill
http://www.govtrack.us/congress/billtext.xpd?bill=s112-978


And... if it does pass, we need to show them who has power. We do... and it's the ballot.

Call your representative's office in D.C. and let them know where you stand! If you don't, then don't complain!
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I'm by no means a lawer (Never even played one on TV)But what I get from the bill is money can not be made during a performance exceeding $2.500.

So far This hobbie has done nothing but COST me and I'm not close to finished ! Plus I pitty the fool who would pay to see the sequencing I have done:D

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Ron Amedee wrote:

I'm by no means a lawer (Never even played one on TV)..

I hope not, considering it is spelled lawyer. :D Maybe you meant something else though.
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Ron...Joining in on the epic social from home since I couldn't go..

one, two, three or is it four now for the EPIC

Thomas

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Paul said:

holly crap I am moving to Canada!

Oh wait I already live in Canada....

We could use music/song that we have permission to use...


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Paul do not get to excited because if they were to passed Canada new "tough copyright law".......we would really be hurting. That law that they 1st wanted to introduce is really tough, but thanks to public out cry they post phoned introducing that bill for now until some kind of agreement is reach that would make all happy (if that is possible).

However right now we are safe as far as playing music in our displays. I had some communication with "Socan Canada" who offers licensing and I thought that if push came to shove that I could get a license and it would be I think $185.00 per year (like the kind they need for public skating), but that was not the case. Instead we are allowed to play whatever song we want in our displays because there is no license for Christmas displays.

I was told that making a video of your display could be another matter altogether if you post it on YouTube, Vimeo or some other uploading place.

If I remember I will post the emails on the Canadian Forum.

In the USA you can use the "Fair Use " rule but it seems rather veg, nonetheless it works for now.

Canada's "Fair Use Law" is interpreted differently than that of the USA and was divided into 3 parts whereas the USA has four parts. However the courts turn that 3 parts into 6.

I would need to read them again but I believe they could be a bit tougher for us Canadian's.




If I was to start a sequencing business and I made videos of my display to show my work would that fall under "Commercial use"? Would it be "Fair Use"....this is something I asked myself.

Paul with Canada thinking of some tough copyright laws that got me to thinking that maybe getting permission would be a good route to go. Also I can help some up coming stars by promoting their music via my display. Record companies see this as a good thing and well that helps me. Now I have "Bug Music, BMG, and a couple of smaller record companies that granted permission to use songs and post a video of my display on YouTube or some other uploading place.

Paul if you get the time check out Canada's "Fair Use" rule.

The USA.......

U.S. Copyright Office - Fair Use
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Ron...Joining in on the epic social from home since I couldn't go..

one, two, three or is it four now for the EPIC

Thomas

Just got back from CVS and got a half gallon of scotch so if I can stay awake post should be more intresting in a little while (Please disregaurd all post and spelling from here till tommorrow at noon!!!)
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I said it before and I will say it again our country is turning into a communist nation

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T
Gin is normaly drink of choice..Scotch ain't bad for a change !!!
Too all the epic attendees...may the light god shine brite
on your displays and not allow any GFCI trips..Please allow extension cords in heaven..and help the incandesent people move to LED...RGB would be better....And help the chinese make more LED's for less so we can enjoy the Holidays. AMEN

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It looks like it is more for the people who actually take movies and post them online

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T110431 wrote:

The seal of approvial

Obama administration’s copyright policy.






This administration, especially DUMBAMA(whom should have been IMPEACHED!), is DEFINITELY the STUPIDEST AND THE DUMBEST one yet!


All they are trying to do is bring communism alive in America, well, these dumbasses are so stupid they haven't figured out that even Russia found it didn't work, pretty much abandoned it, and are now more of how the US is (or was?), just as the US should still be.

Personally I doubt this bill will pass, I even have doubts it will even make it out of committee, otherwise, those idiots that proposed this better think about their OWN ACTIVITIES as well as their RELATIVES activities that this will affect, because they better be prepared to spend 5 years in prison, right along with the rest of us.

So I guess we better re-open Alcatraz and start repairing a lot of old large abandoned buildings to be converted to jails, since I'd wager OVER 98% of Americans will be in jail if this blunderhead, moronic load of crap would actually pass and become law.

If this kind of bullcrap keeps up, I can definitley see a new American Revolution coming in the not so distant future to re-organize a new government system that will once again, be FOR THE PEOPLE, BY THE PEOPLE, NOT what it's turning into, FOR THE GOVERNMENT, BY THE GOVERNMENT, which OUR own "ORIGINAL" US CONSTITUTION FORBIDS this! (And that should NEVER be TOUCHED or CHANGED BY ANYONE!!! Especially the DIMWITTED BOOBS in Government!)

What are WE really coming too here in the US?,

Or should we start putting it as USSRA (United Socialistic Sovreign Repulic of America)?

BTW: Anyone know how to get to Gilligan' Island? I think I'd rather go live there where I can do what I want, when I want and only have to worry about the occasional head hunter or some other wildlife attacking or bothering me. Yea, that's what I need to do, go find an uncharted island and shipwreck myself there. Hoo Boy!
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Orville wrote:

T110431 wrote:
The seal of approvial

Obama administration’s copyright policy.






This administration, especially DUMBAMA(whom should have been IMPEACHED!), is DEFINITELY the STUPIDEST AND THE DUMBEST one yet!


All they are trying to do is bring communism alive in America, well, these dumbasses are so stupid they haven't figured out that even Russia found it didn't work, pretty much abandoned it, and are now more of how the US is (or was?), just as the US should still be.

Personally I doubt this bill will pass, I even have doubts it will even make it out of committee, otherwise, those idiots that proposed this better think about their OWN ACTIVITIES as well as their RELATIVES activities that this will affect, because they better be prepared to spend 5 years in prison, right along with the rest of us.

So I guess we better re-open Alcatraz and start repairing a lot of old large abandoned buildings to be converted to jails, since I'd wager OVER 98% of Americans will be in jail if this blunderhead, moronic load of crap would actually pass and become law.

If this kind of bullcrap keeps up, I can definitley see a new American Revolution coming in the not so distant future to re-organize a new government system that will once again, be FOR THE PEOPLE, BY THE PEOPLE, NOT what it's turning into, FOR THE GOVERNMENT, BY THE GOVERNMENT, which OUR own "ORIGINAL" US CONSTITUTION FORBIDS this! (And that should NEVER be TOUCHED or CHANGED BY ANYONE!!! Especially the DIMWITTED BOOBS in Government!)

What are WE really coming too here in the US?,

Or should we start putting it as USSRA (United Socialistic Sovreign Repulic of America)?

BTW: Anyone know how to get to Gilligan' Island? I think I'd rather go live there where I can do what I want, when I want and only have to worry about the occasional head hunter or some other wildlife attacking or bothering me. Yea, that's what I need to do, go find an uncharted island and shipwreck myself there. Hoo Boy!






"United Socialistic Sovreign Repulic of America"

Our ability to spell has gone to hell too...:shock::P:P

You should run for office and straighten these guys out...;):D
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This administration, especially DUMBAMA(whom should have been IMPEACHED!), is DEFINITELY the STUPIDEST AND THE DUMBEST one yet!


All they are trying to do is bring communism alive in America, well, these dumbasses are so stupid they haven't figured out that even Russia found it didn't work, pretty much abandoned it, and are now more of how the US is (or was?), just as the US should still be.

Personally I doubt this bill will pass, I even have doubts it will even make it out of committee, otherwise, those idiots that proposed this better think about their OWN ACTIVITIES as well as their RELATIVES activities that this will affect, because they better be prepared to spend 5 years in prison, right along with the rest of us.

So I guess we better re-open Alcatraz and start repairing a lot of old large abandoned buildings to be converted to jails, since I'd wager OVER 98% of Americans will be in jail if this blunderhead, moronic load of crap would actually pass and become law.

If this kind of bullcrap keeps up, I can definitley see a new American Revolution coming in the not so distant future to re-organize a new government system that will once again, be FOR THE PEOPLE, BY THE PEOPLE, NOT what it's turning into, FOR THE GOVERNMENT, BY THE GOVERNMENT, which OUR own "ORIGINAL" US CONSTITUTION FORBIDS this! (And that should NEVER be TOUCHED or CHANGED BY ANYONE!!!  Especially the DIMWITTED BOOBS in Government!)

What are WE really coming too here in the US?,

Or should we start putting it as USSRA (United Socialistic Sovreign Repulic of America)?

BTW: Anyone know how to get to Gilligan' Island?   I think I'd rather go live there where I can do what I want, when I want and only have to worry about the occasional head hunter or some other wildlife attacking or bothering me.   Yea, that's what I need to do, go find an uncharted island and shipwreck myself there.  Hoo Boy!





I feel your frustration!!! I think many Americans are reaching their boiling point with what 'our government' has become.

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