jimswinder Posted March 10, 2011 Posted March 10, 2011 Hey Dan (or anyone who might know)...Another CCR/CCB question.I know you don't like giving out details of future releases but...Was looking over what I MIGHT do this year regarding CCB's, and I see the possibility of having about 35 CCB's for my display...and realized that's a LOT of channels to keep organized in the Sequence Editor!!!BUT, if we were able to manage them separately (sorta like tracks today) but in their own sequence, it might be quite easy.Explanation:Divide my song into several sequences. For example...a sequence for each set of my elements (8 CCB's for my mini trees, 4 CCB's for my Mega Arches, 4 CCB's for my Mini Arches and 17 CCB's for my "streamers"). If each of these elements could be sequenced separately (thus having a manageable amount of channels to work with) and then you could copy and paste all these Sub Sequences into a "Master Sequence" that would be the Show Sequence?Maybe even in the "Master Sequence" could just be a single line that was a "Sub Sequence" (like just your Mini Trees)...Or have I just answered my own question and that is how Sub Sequences work today? (I confess I have never used them or even know what they are or do...)make sense?
Paul Roberson Posted March 10, 2011 Posted March 10, 2011 Why would you want to do this in different sequences? Tracks would work just fine for what you are suggesting and there would be no need to copy paste your work into a 'master sequence"UNLESS.......I do see an advantage of the way you are suggesting as far as 'visualization clutter' would be concerned. : )
jimswinder Posted March 10, 2011 Author Posted March 10, 2011 Paul Roberson wrote: Why would you want to do this in different sequences? Tracks would work just fine for what you are suggesting and there would be no need to copy paste your work into a 'master sequence"UNLESS.......I do see an advantage of the way you are suggesting as far as 'visualization clutter' would be concerned. : )Maybe I am wrong (probably)...but if I have 20 CCB's (100ct) isn't that 600 channels in the Sequence Editor?3 channels per bulb?Just trying to cut down on the large scrolling that would be necessary...Sorry...I'm a RGB newbie...
Paul Roberson Posted March 10, 2011 Posted March 10, 2011 jimswinder wrote: Paul Roberson wrote: Why would you want to do this in different sequences? Tracks would work just fine for what you are suggesting and there would be no need to copy paste your work into a 'master sequence"UNLESS.......I do see an advantage of the way you are suggesting as far as 'visualization clutter' would be concerned. : )Maybe I am wrong (probably)...but if I have 20 CCB's (100ct) isn't that 600 channels in the Sequence Editor?3 channels per bulb?Just trying to cut down on the large scrolling that would be necessary...Sorry...I'm a RGB newbie...No, 20 CCB's at 100 ct each would be 2000 bulbs.2000 RGB bulbs would = 6000 channels total.There would be 2000 RGB (not expanded) channels showing on the grid.Does not matter if you go with your 'master sequence' plan or tracks the large scrolling would be the same.
jimswinder Posted March 10, 2011 Author Posted March 10, 2011 Paul Roberson wrote: No, 20 CCB's at 100 ct each would be 2000 bulbs.2000 RGB bulbs would = 6000 channels total.There would be 2000 RGB channels showing on the grid.Does not matter if you go with your 'master sequence' plan or tracks the large scrolling would be the same.But I would not be "editing" in the Master Sequence...it would be just for my "Show"..all editing would be done in the Sub Sequences...therefore less scrolling...PS..so much for my math skills too!!! EDIT:One thing I forgot in my original post would be the ability, when copy and pasting, that it would also copy and paste the Channel Configuration info with it...
Paul Roberson Posted March 10, 2011 Posted March 10, 2011 jimswinder wrote:But I would not be "editing" in the Master Sequence...it would be just for my "Show"..all editing would be done in the Sub Sequences...therefore less scrolling...PS..so much for my math skills too!!! Does not matter.If you set up a Master TRACK that holds ALL your channels. Then duplicate your 20 CCB's into a track of their own you would do all your CCB programming in that track.The programming you did in your "CCB Track" would automatically get added to your master track.Once set up you would not have to do any scrolling in your master track. All your programming and scrolling would take place in your other tracks you set up.Either way you do it the 2000 channel scrolling would be the same.
jimswinder Posted March 10, 2011 Author Posted March 10, 2011 Paul Roberson wrote: If you set up a Master TRACK that holds ALL your channels. Then duplicate your 20 CCB's into a track of their own you would do all your CCB programming in that track.I think you missed my original idea...yes I would have 20 CCB's (actually 33 in this example), but they would be divided up into 4 different sequences (tracks)8 CCB's for my mini trees,4 CCB's for my Mega Arches,4 CCB's for my Mini Arches and17 CCB's for my "streamers"In today Sequence Editor...yes, they would be in "tracks" so lots of scrolling..but if they could be in separate sequences, less scrolling...hence wanting the ability to:EDIT:One thing I forgot in my original post would be the ability, when copy and pasting, that it would also copy and paste the Channel Configuration info with it...better yet..would be for it to automatically update the "Master Sequence"..like you can do with Excel Spreadsheets by "linking" the different sheets..
Paul Roberson Posted March 10, 2011 Posted March 10, 2011 jimswinder wrote: Paul Roberson wrote: If you set up a Master TRACK that holds ALL your channels. Then duplicate your 20 CCB's into a track of their own you would do all your CCB programming in that track.I think you missed my original idea...yes I would have 20 CCB's (actually 33 in this example), but they would be divided up into 4 different sequences (tracks)8 CCB's for my mini trees,4 CCB's for my Mega Arches,4 CCB's for my Mini Arches and17 CCB's for my "streamers"In today Sequence Editor...yes, they would be in "tracks" so lots of scrolling..but if they could be in separate sequences, less scrolling...hence wanting the ability to:EDIT:One thing I forgot in my original post would be the ability, when copy and pasting, that it would also copy and paste the Channel Configuration info with it...better yet..would be for it to automatically update the "Master Sequence"..like you can do with Excel Spreadsheets by "linking" the different sheets..Still scrolling thru a mini trees track consisting of 8 CCB's will be the same amount of scrolling no matter if they are in a sequence of their own or a track of their own.Maybe I am still missing your point, but I do not see a short cut. I see an extra step in having to copy and paste.:?The master track would automatically get updated when programming in the other tracks in the sequence.
jimswinder Posted March 10, 2011 Author Posted March 10, 2011 Paul Roberson wrote: Still scrolling thru a mini trees track consisting of 8 CCB's will be the same amount of scrolling no matter if they are in a sequence of their own or a track of their own.Maybe I am still missing your point, but I do not see a short cut. I see an extra step in having to copy and paste.:?If I want to edit the mini trees and the mini trees track is at the bottom of the sequence (holding ALL 33 of your CCB's)...then you are having to go thru all the other tracks and channels to get to it...as opposed to just opening the Mini Tree "sequence" and having them right there.Yes..I agree that it is an extra step...but it seems (at least to me) quicker than having to go thru a few thousand channels to get to where I want to be editing and better management of all those channels..hence my Excel reference...it is easier to work in several spreadsheets and have the "totals" of those spreadsheets linked to one Master Spreadsheet (Master sequence).
Paul Roberson Posted March 10, 2011 Posted March 10, 2011 jimswinder wroteIf the mini trees track is at the bottom of the sequence (holding ALL your CCB's)...then you are having to go thru all the other tracks and channels to get to it...Yes..I agree that it is an extra step...but it seems (at least to me) quicker than having to go thru a few thousand channels to get to where I want to be editing and better management of all those channels..Have a "master track" holding ALL your CCB's. Then have a 'mini tree' track holding the duplicated mini tree CCB's from your master track.You would have a "master track" holding ALL your CCBs.Then you would have four more tracks with their channels being duplicated from the master track.8 CCB's for my mini trees,4 CCB's for my Mega Arches,4 CCB's for my Mini Arches and17 CCB's for my "streamers"You would open the sequence and select the "mini tree" track from the drop down menu and you only have to scroll thu your mini tree channels.
bob Posted March 11, 2011 Posted March 11, 2011 Maybe even in the "Master Sequence" could just be a single line that was a "Sub Sequence" (like just your Mini Trees)...Or have I just answered my own question and that is how Sub Sequences work today? If I'm understanding you correctly, then yes, that's how subsequences work. You set up one channel in your "main" sequence to have device type "Sequence" (as opposed to "Light-O-Rama", "X10", "Digital IO", et cetera). Then, if you go into the channel properties for that channel, instead of being able to set things like "unit" and "circuit", you can set the filename of the sequence that it represents.When you turn that channel on in the main sequence, the subsequence will start playing (from its beginning). When you turn that channel off in the main sequence, the subsequence will stop playing.You can turn it on and off however many times you like, thus restarting it (from its beginning) a bunch of times, but it sounds to me like in your situation, you would want to just turn the channel on for the entire length of the main sequence.Note that you should make sure that the main sequence and the subsequence (or subsequences) do not share any channel definitions in common (for example, if you've got unit 1 circuit 1 in one of them, make sure it's not in the other). If they do, then they will both attempt to control that circuit simultaneously, and the results will probably not be what you expect.For further information on subsequences, please see the following page in the help file:http://www.lightorama.com/help/index.html?subsequences.htm
jimswinder Posted March 11, 2011 Author Posted March 11, 2011 bob wrote:For further information on subsequences, please see the following page in the help file:http://www.lightorama.com/help/index.html?subsequences.htmThanks Bob!!!Will try that out this evening!!Edit:Darn...just noticed a major drawback...that sub-sequences will not play in the animator.Any chance this will be changing in S3??
LightORamaDan Posted March 11, 2011 Posted March 11, 2011 jimswinder wrote: [snip] Darn...just noticed a major drawback...that sub-sequences will not play in the animator.Any chance this will be changing in S3??sub-sequences and macros do play in the new visualizer.Dan
jimswinder Posted March 11, 2011 Author Posted March 11, 2011 LightORamaDan wrote:sub-sequences and macros do play in the new visualizer.DanSWEET!!!!!!
Guest Don Gillespie Posted March 11, 2011 Posted March 11, 2011 Lots of good question lots of great answers making my decision to go with the CCB's even easier.
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