MikeA Posted December 29, 2010 Share Posted December 29, 2010 Planning for next year I will buy 3-6 new controllers. I originally bought the kit already soldered and it only needed assembly.My question is, how easy is it to solder the controllers? I am handy and good with tools and have more spare time than I do money. So if it takes me 2 days to solder it, I don't care.How do most people buy their additional controllers once they have their feet wet and their first year under their belt? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jem5136 Posted December 29, 2010 Share Posted December 29, 2010 If I were in your shoes, I would go ahead and buy the kits. They are easy to solder once you get the hang of soldering and if you have the right tools. You will need to make sure you have a good soldering station, one that you can control the heat and one with a fine tip on the iron itself.Once you get than, then your good to go. Follow the instructions and you should have no issues. I tried building a controller with the wrong tools, and it doesn't work, so it is VERY important you have the right soldering iron. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
testraub Posted December 29, 2010 Share Posted December 29, 2010 I got two of the 16 Channel Kit - Deluxe (high-power heatsinks) and had only a minor issue with one of them I soldered (I'm color blind). Only took about a day to solder them up. No propblems since. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
George Simmons Posted December 29, 2010 Share Posted December 29, 2010 MikeA wrote: How do most people buy their additional controllers once they have their feet wet and their first year under their belt?I buy the boards fully assembled, and then scrounge my own demarc boxes and power cords. For me, it's a no-brainer all the way. I do custom sequencing for people and I can make more than the 15 or 20 bucks extra it costs to have the boards pre-made and pre-tested by experts in the time it would take me to do it myself. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anthony in Houston Posted December 29, 2010 Share Posted December 29, 2010 I have soldered 20 of the controllers with no problems and it takes me 2 1/2 to 3 hours per controller and testing. if you want to save money you do.Anthony Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jbzeus Posted December 29, 2010 Share Posted December 29, 2010 My vote is like George's. I tried the soldering route and decided my time was better spent building other elements of the display. Unless you are making many boards purchasing the correct tools etc. I don't see it's worth it. But I do understand the more time than money argument and there is a satiisfaction factor of building the boards. I had a couple problems which were actually bad parts and were solved by LOR which complicated my build.If you build I would recommend purchasing one completed boards and the rest as kits. That way you have a model to refer to you know is good.I purchase completed boards with the high power heat sinks. Sometimes I use LOR cases sometimes I use custom cases.Jeff Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 29, 2010 Share Posted December 29, 2010 I built all of mine. As kits go, it is a well-laid out design and assembly manual. And for me, building/wiring/soldering/etc is one of the best stress reliefs and escape from the day job stuff that I have found.If you have no experience soldering, would not recommend learning on a LOR kit..get something cheaper, or one of the soldering training type kits to learn on. It is not a difficult skill to learn, it will become second nature with some practice. Make the LOR kit the kit you build after you feel you have become comfortable soldering. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
texascop Posted December 29, 2010 Share Posted December 29, 2010 I bought three of the CTB16PC kits and put them together. I already had the soldering equipment so there wasn't any extra expense. I am glad I had a solder sucker (desoldering tool) because I got a component in backwards on the first board and had to redo it.The cost difference is $70 over the completely assembled controller. It took me about 3 hours on the first one and the other two less than two hours each. That was about 7 hours work to save $210. The math worked out for me, about $30/hour. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Max-Paul Posted December 29, 2010 Share Posted December 29, 2010 DonFL wrote: I built all of mine. As kits go, it is a well-laid out design and assembly manual. And for me, building/wiring/soldering/etc is one of the best stress reliefs and escape from the day job stuff that I have found.If you have no experience soldering, would not recommend learning on a LOR kit..get something cheaper, or one of the soldering training type kits to learn on. It is not a difficult skill to learn, it will become second nature with some practice. Make the LOR kit the kit you build after you feel you have become comfortable soldering.+1Don you stole my words. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bisquit476 Posted December 29, 2010 Share Posted December 29, 2010 I've attached a soldering presentation I was going to give at the FL Mini this past April, but I had to leave early. It is presented in the first person, hence the reason for the questions at the beginning. I personally solder all my boards, I do it to save some cash as well as I like to do it. The cash saved is just a bonus. Like Don said, it is one great stress buster. The key to soldering is preparation and using the correct tools, they make all the difference is ease or difficulty in doing the job. Hope this helps. Attached files Soldering presentation2.pdf Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TJ Hvasta Posted December 29, 2010 Share Posted December 29, 2010 +2 on doing it yourself, relieving stress and saving a lot of $$!!!! I have 9 controllers, 'built 8 from kits.. my first one was just plug an' play.. the second (and subsequent ones) were total you-builds, including finding your own cases with that first one as a model.. I saved $20 per each kit over the fully assembled ones which "paid" for the last 2 kits..As long as you have a good light, magnifying glass, soldering station and tools, you will be able to knock out your first kit in a few hours. The grin you get when you make your test lights go blinky blinky is priceless!Oh, and welcome to the greatest group of just-not-right-people on the planet!! =) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TJ Hvasta Posted December 29, 2010 Share Posted December 29, 2010 why oh why can we not kill off our own (duped) posts??!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Papa-LF Posted December 29, 2010 Share Posted December 29, 2010 I taught a soldering class at the Pacific NW Mini Plus last year in Olympia WA. . I encourage folks to buy a kit and give it a try.. Dan's kits are very well laid out and the instructions are quite good. Just follow the directions and mark off on the sheet each step and that will guide you through a successful job. I make two recommendations - first when you place the chips on the board, only solder one lead - solder in each one - so they are ALL on the board, then stop - take a break - get a cup of joe - then from the top of the board verify that each chip is in the board in the proper direction. Its way easier to unsolder one lead and turn the chip around then 6 leads or more. And secondly, grab a flashlight to help you verify the color coding on the resistors. Under different lights its hard to distinguish the difference between purple and brown or some other colors.Beyond that - the kits are fun to do. A good soldering iron and your good to go. I have assembled close to 30 of these kits and every one has worked, and still working. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 30, 2010 Share Posted December 30, 2010 texascop wrote: I bought three of the CTB16PC kits and put them together. I already had the soldering equipment so there wasn't any extra expense. I am glad I had a solder sucker (desoldering tool) because I got a component in backwards on the first board and had to redo it.The cost difference is $70 over the completely assembled controller. It took me about 3 hours on the first one and the other two less than two hours each. That was about 7 hours work to save $210. The math worked out for me, about $30/hour.Just personal preference, but I can think of the last time I used a solder sucker..too many past experiences with tearing up traces, along with the solder. Never really got comfortable with the squeeze bulbs...I'm solder wick all the way.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
texascop Posted December 30, 2010 Share Posted December 30, 2010 Been using them for 40+ years. Hard to break old habits. There are some PC (printed circuit not Planet Christmas by the way) boards I wouldn't use them on because they are made so cheap. Seems a lot of tan boards are cheaply made. The LOR boards have really nice runs on them and the danger of damaging one is a lot less likely. Like you said, preference. The one I have is a soldering iron with a hole in the tip and a suction ball attached. Works a lot better than the old stand alone squeeze bulb. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Papa-LF Posted December 30, 2010 Share Posted December 30, 2010 DonFL wrote: Just personal preference, but I can think of the last time I used a solder sucker..too many past experiences with tearing up traces, along with the solder. Never really got comfortable with the squeeze bulbs...I'm solder wick all the way..The bottom line is - your going to need something from time to time to remove the soldered in component - its just going to happen. If you find something that works for you GREAT - they all work. I have 3 different devices - depending upon the situation. I have a bulb, I use wick, and I have a trigger gun that you cock and when you pull the trigger it sucks fast and hard.But like I said - don't let the error factor chase you away. Half the fun (for many of us) is building. No matter if its the display piece or the controller - get out and have fun with it. I assemble radios (transmitters) too, they are more tricky, but still a lot of fun.Happy Trails! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xmasboy Posted December 30, 2010 Share Posted December 30, 2010 I soldered 2 boards and they took about a day each, but it was really easy to do. I used the $5 soldering irons from Radio Shack and they were adequete for me, but probably need to be replaced soon. They worked fine, but don't look like they will last much longer. I would definately reccomend soldering your own boards. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kissfan4 Posted December 31, 2010 Share Posted December 31, 2010 i love to do things on my own so i buy the kits. looking forward to getting another to assemble Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KarlSmith Posted December 31, 2010 Share Posted December 31, 2010 For me building the kit is my favorite part of this.I have this: http://www.web-tronics.com/cispdeesdsas.htmlWorks like a charm and the price is right.The PC kit is well laid out and the instructions are fantastic.If it's your first kit you cam try some Ramsey starter kit first.Oh, and if your old like me get yourself an optivisor. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 1, 2011 Share Posted January 1, 2011 I've gone all battery powered iron, still pull out the older weller pencil for the heavier stuff..But yea...something about stuffing a board, those toxic rosin core fumes (though, I did go buy a pound of the Kester solder LOR provides..not the standard rosin core stuff...but great solder...and maybe healthier..:cool:), firing it up for the first time...after 40 years of "building stuff" it is still a kick... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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