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16kpc Chanel's come on and stay on

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I just built 3 units they tested okay in hardware utility but ran i am running the show certain Chanel's will light and stay light until it is used by the sequence then for no reason will come on again and stay. All three new units are doing it .They ctb16kpcv1 kits. I down loaded the new version of software V2.6.0 And Updated firmware v 4.32 and still the same problem any body have any ideas.

Thanks in advance.

Tony

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Hey Tony,



I'm seeing the same thing with one controller for what seems to be 13 of the 16 channels. A second controller seems to be doing is but much less and only 1 or 2 channels. They randomly come on when they should not. Then, if the sequence playing actually tells them to come on they work and do whats expected but when they should be off, they randomly come back on. I saw other posts talking about not having enough load on the channel but i don't think that is the issue as each channel is running one set set of 100 lights and 60 LED per channel. Both controllers were purchased new back int he spring fromt he sale and this is the first time being used.



If any one has any wisdom, please help! This problem is really making a mess!



thank you



Joe

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Joe

I have at least 100 lights per Chanel , 2 of the Chanel's has 300 on them.

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Having same problem. Going to try reseting all boxes one by one. Then I will be putting a new cat 5 cable to the 2 new boxes. It started with the addition of the two new boxes.

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Just disconnected the two new boxes and the show runs fine. No other lights staying on. Going to try tomorrow to reset new boxes and see what happens. Update tomorrow.

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I had this happen to me also, on the new controller I got this fall

I had a bad board, shorted out caused all kind of strange things to happen

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Hey Guys



I was on the same thought proccess as Steve with the Cat5..I actually did have my wires crimped wrong in the RJ-45 in the 2 new cables i made up. (Everything was working, but the wire pairs were not as they should have been).

I corrected the cables and the problem is still happening. Last year I had 2 controllers and no issues. This year 5. I disconnected one, #5, and #3 is the worst running 16 channels on 2 arches. In some cases, as many as 13 channles come on or get stuck in a shimmer when they should not be on at all. #4 picks up a stray once in a long while, #4 is running 16 channels on 2 arches as well. In my testing of my corrected cat5, I also noticed #2 is also having a stuck channel here and there but once again, nothing close to what #3's issue. The interesting part, if the currently runnign sequence actually tells the stuck channel to activate, it does go back to working. Also, any stuck channels turn off when a sequence ends. Almost seems like they are picking up a signal to tun on but nothing ever tells them to turn back off until they actually get a signal or the sequence end at which point the software may send a "all off" command.

For what its worth, 1,2,3,4 are dasiy chained in that order so its not even the furtherest out controller having the most issues. I am running about 200-250 feet of cat5 using the USB adaptor. Maybe thats too much for it?

All controllers are on the same firmware, and the 3 new ones came with the same firmware that my original 2 came with.

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I am seeing the EXACT same thing happen.

I am ready to pull my hair out...

I have 12 LOR controllers, this is my 4th Year, and have NEVER seen this yet...

This is happening on OLD an NEW controllers alike. Some have 300 lights some just a few.

It happens to almost every song now, and is usually one or two channels per song.

I also have a CCR and iDMX. I have no LOR ID conflicts.

This is very frustrating :shock:. I have created all new sequences, updated all the firmware, and am running the latest version of everything...

Still no fix.

Scott.

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I had the same exact thing happen to me last year and this year.

I added two more controllers this year. During testing of the new controllers I never had an issue. I ran all my sequences several times. These controllers run C7 lights on the house and have a minimum of 105 watts on each channel.

I re formatted my desk top pc this year and routed the cat5 further away from any major power sources.

I am using the USB cable with filters and even have a longer cable going to the transmitter to get it a little further away.

I thought that this cured the issue only to have it resurface again AFTER I hooked my other controllers up. Now every controller is having issues with this (channel hang) as we called it last year.

I explained to Dan what was going on last year but was unable to find a cure for it. Without being able to see the setup it's very difficult to troubleshoot.

It seems like more and more people are having issues with this and I believe that whatever is causing this will be the same for everybody.

I hope we can find a cure soon because these shows are almost unwatchable with all of these channels sticking on, shimmering and doing what ever they want to do.

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Scott, what have you changed or added this year becides the sequences and firmware.

Last year was my first year and it happend to me right off the bat, plus other issues. So I really have no 'before' to work off of.

I know exactly how everybody feels. I almost feel like telling every car that comes by that I really didn't sequence the songs that way, lol.

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I'm hoping Dan can reply and he might have an answer to this.

I think the trick or quick fix/bandaid would be to send off signals to the channels that are actually not doing anything to help keep them off. Once mine come on...they stay on until a signal comes along to turn on and back off then they clear for a bit and come back on. Sending off signals ever few seconds to non active channels might just be the fix but would require a change to the program.

Would this be possible Dan (AKA "the man who can save Christmas")?

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Just checked all connections to 7 controllers. Problem in new boxes.Disconnected on at a time, and ran a program.If I disconnect both new boxes program runs fine. Hook up one box,problem reappears. Disconnect the new box and try the other new box and problem still there. Disconnect both boxes problem goes away. Problem is in new boxes.

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Are any these "new" boxes v6 or the new v7 boxes as this could be a clue? It will be silkscreened on the board. Not sure about the PC boards, but CTB16DV6 is on the right side of my DIY boards. I figure the v7 will be in the same place, but have not seen one. I did read that the v7 boards also have some different hardware that required different (4.40) firmware. If they are v7, what color are they. My V6 boards are blue.

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Hmm... Interesting...

This year I added three new controllers. All PC kits. Explains why I have the problem this year, but not last year.

What if find interesting, is that the lights that come on are channels that are not even used in that sequence, or that part of the sequence.. They just magically turn on. Those channels do work normally if I tell them to turn on (and off) but I see no reason why they would just turn on on thier own???


Also, my controllers, old and new all say CTB16PC V1.

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It would be nice if some one from L O R could join in with the answer of what is going on,and how to fix it.

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Just went and checked old and new boxes. Old boxes v1 new boxes v2 all green boards. HELPPPPPPPPPPPPPPP.

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At this time, all my boards are green but i didn't check for any version numbers on them. Last year i soldered up my own boards, this year, my 3 new ones made more sense to buy them already soldered and just put the kit together.

I have been seeing it mainly on 2 new controllers from the spring sale but I also saw at least one channel on my old controller (used last season with out issues) do the same thing. Thats why i'm thinking it might be software related.

In the case of where I am seeing the most trouble is my Arches as some songs don't even use them at all.



Any one have an easy way to try with an older version of the software?

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Tried with old software and all versions of program. You need to un plug your new boxes and see if problem goes away. Thats what I did,and used just my 5 old controlers and program has no problem. plug up just one new controller and problem comes back. Up dated all old controllers with new firmware and problem stays with new controllers.

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Unplugged my three new controllers and the problem (and a big chunk of my lights) goes away. Plug in a new controller, and problem is back...

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This morn I started the lights again and right off the bat lights were sticking on the house and arches.

I unplugged the last two controllers from last year and the problem was still there. So the problem had to be with the first set of controllers from last year.

From there I replaced the cat5 from the PC to the first and second controllers and routed the cable away from where the power comes into the house. Ran the program for half an hour and no channels stuck on that I could see. It has never done that before.

I noticed that the sheathing stripper on my cable crimpers were cutting into the cat5 wire. So I peeled the outer sheathing back like a banana and trimmed it off then put the ends on.

I'm also wondering if EMF was causing issues. Every time I run it from my notebook for testing I use a spare comm wire laid out in the middle of the driveway and yard with no issues. It's when I use the setup I originally put in that I start having major issues.

I guess the real test will be tonight. I just have a strange feeling that it will be back.

Time for some adult egg nog:D

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Try using your laptop in the "normal" position with and without it's power supply plugged in. Since it worked in the driveway, I assume you were on battery, operate on battery inside, this would remove any doubts about location or maybe your power supply is dying. If your "driveway" cable is long enough, drag it into your normal position (through windows, stairs or whatever) and try it as above.

If all is OK with the laptop on battery inside and when connected to power supply it goes crazy, remember it's been 11 months since it last worked normally. Have you added any electric/electronic items anywhere in the house? Unplug them, not just turned off, to see if they are injecting noise on the power lines. May be something as small as a cell phone charger.

Something is obvioiusly different. Just my thoughts.

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I have rerun my network cables away from the power lines, and still have the issue. The only addition I have in my house for electronics is a LCD TV.

George, why does the problem go away when I remove the three controllers I added this year?

Scott.

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Scott, we are all having problems with the new controllers. If I unplug my 2 new controllers, everything works fine.



Steve A.

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I am starting to think I had a flaw in my network cable. Last night I refreshed the network in the hardware utility and it only recognized 5 out of the six controllers. After refreshing it a couple more times it picked up the sixth controller.

After replacing the first and second cable everything started working as it should.

As far as the laptop it was hooked to a power supply. Thats what started to make me think it was a cable/routing issue.

I've toned out a broken wire that tested just fine volts and all only to have it fail every time it had to carry the amps when in use.

The show has been running tonight with no issues so far. Before I would have stuff stick on 2 - 20 times a song.

I have a mixture of controllers from this year and last year, showtime and PC units. I don't think is a issue with this years boards since it was happening to me last year with both types of units and the first version S2 on my PC.

I'm starting to really think that the routing of the comm wire was an issue as well, because before I got the filtered USB cable I had so much noise coming back through that it was knocking my driver off line and locking up the program. That was a big problem.

So far it really seems that the comm wire was to blame. I didn't have time to check if the cable was faulty or the routing coming out of the garage yet, but it really seems to be related to one of those or both.

From now on I'm going to be really careful when those cable ends go on as well as make sure the colors match the factory diagram.

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Can you post the wiring you used for the cables?



I re did mine and though that was it but still the same problem I'm also going to switch out my USB cable to one with the ferit choke on it and try again.

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