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Well it is done,
the request has been made,
it cleared middle management,
up into the courthouse,
there was a gathering,
and then more debate,
clearences to do a feasibilty study was issued,
the study was competed,
it then went back for a proof of concept,
on into the night people of all ages questioned and discussed the pros and cons,
security was notified of an intent to work,
the post was planted,
soiled turned,
a ribbon cut,
a flag raised,
and the seal of approval was applied to the documentation the was made in triplicate on form 4.06.000
and clause A was amended at the last minute by an anounimous participant.
It went back for approval,
then a technical writer was chosen of the many available applcants,
and as soon as;
the tutorial,
the instructions,
the regulations,
the how tos,
the SOPs
the RFPs,
the DDTs
and all the M&Ms and circus peanuts are eaten,

we should have a place where we can buy, sell, barter , share, swap sequences.

thanks to everyone for their particpation.

Our grateful appreiciation goes to contactmike1 for starting this thread, and to all of those who spent countless hours working on this thread.

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You asked for it and you're getting it! I'm collaborating with with don and blearing to get a share site up and/or use don's existing site. It is unclear who will be creating it or where it will be at this time, but we're getting a start on the planning stages. If you have any ideas, suggestions, wish lists, or feature requests, please share. This site is for you, so what do you want to be able to do on it? The planning stages are the easiest time to accommodate requests, so dream away...

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I posted this in the other topic, but since you asked here, I'll repost. Perhaps you could make a database that had several fields including:

Song Title
Song Artist
Number of Channels
Creator of sequence
etc

That would make it very easy to search things then. I know I'll be sharing the few sequences that I've done do far in this, my first year.

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Opie wrote:

I posted this in the other topic, but since you asked here, I'll repost. Perhaps you could make a database that had several fields including:

Song Title
Song Artist
Number of Channels
Creator of sequence
etc

That would make it very easy to search things then. I know I'll be sharing the few sequences that I've done do far in this, my first year.

This is on the Wiki now. I've got two sequences there for download.

Please note: My format is a SUGGESTED format. The information listed should be searchable via the search box on the left side. Users are encouraged to visit and make suggestions....

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I was hoping that it would be a little bit easier. That is, I imagine a form with some fields to fill in inorder to upload the sequence.

Then, when searching other people's sequences, I can just say, "Display all sequences with 32 channels," etc.

Searching the wiki for "80" (the number of channels in Don's shared sequence), comes up with zero results.

Searching the wiki for "Joy to the World" (the title of Don's shared sequence) also does not seem to produce a relevant result.

Please understand that I'm not trying to be a pain in the rear, just trying to help with suggestions. Don, I hope you'll take this as constructive criticism. I certainly appreciate the time and energy you have put into creating the wiki and helping out all of our friends here.

Cheers,

Rick

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Hmmm that is strange , I wonder why it returns zero for a search on 80 but returns the right results for 80 channels

don't you just love search engines

I did a search on "80 channels sequences share" it returns the 2 results that should be there, adding "share" to your search string is what did it for me.

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Opie wrote:

Please understand that I'm not trying to be a pain in the rear, just trying to help with suggestions. Don, I hope you'll take this as constructive criticism. I certainly appreciate the time and energy you have put into creating the wiki and helping out all of our friends here.

No worries. I understand the need for search. MediaWiki (the software running the Wiki) has many features. Many of which I am not up to speed on. Perhaps there is a better way to sort things, so that sequences are more easily search-able.

If there are folks who have used MediaWiki (someone way back when said they had) and have a better idea how to organize things, by all means, please speak up!

Also, sort of unrelated, but not really. I don't want to take ownership of the Wiki. I don't really want it to be known as "Don's LORWiki." I'd like for it to simply be 'The LORWiki.' Anyone who expresses an interest can gain sysop status, allowing them to modify the few locked pages. My only real involvement is paying the domain fees. It's hosted on a server that I own, (in a real data center, not my house) and hosts other domains. The cost to run it is nothing from that stand point.

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Opie wrote:

I was hoping that it would be a little bit easier. That is, I imagine a form with some fields to fill in inorder to upload the sequence.

Then, when searching other people's sequences, I can just say, "Display all sequences with 32 channels," etc.

Searching the wiki for "80" (the number of channels in Don's shared sequence), comes up with zero results.

Searching the wiki for "Joy to the World" (the title of Don's shared sequence) also does not seem to produce a relevant result.

Please understand that I'm not trying to be a pain in the rear, just trying to help with suggestions. Don, I hope you'll take this as constructive criticism. I certainly appreciate the time and energy you have put into creating the wiki and helping out all of our friends here.


Hey Rick,


How many channels a sequence does not matter at all, so get that out of your mind. What you need to decide is if that 80 channel sequence has the beats, effects that you like. In other words did you like what you see? My 80 channel display and your 80 channel display will be totally different, 32 of my channels could be on a spinning mega tree. You want to find a sequence that has beats and effects that represent the sounds that you like and stick out.

So, if you find a sequence that you like, then you can import your display configuration. If you have a 40 channel display and see an 80 channel sequence…Can you use it? Yes! You just export your display configuration from one of your sequences and then import it into the 80 channel sequence you downloaded. Eventually you will delete the other 40 channels, but that will not be done until you cut n paste the beats/effects you like to different parts of your display.

If you are only looking for specific amount of channels you might miss some great sequences.

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The wiki is setup and ready for your use (as you already discovered). Feel free to go ahead and use the wiki. (In fact, I am disappointed that more songs haven't been added!)

I have also begun work on a dedicated site for this. I'll let know when/if it goes live. Hopefully, it will make viewing, uploading, and sharing easier.

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contactmike1 wrote:

The wiki is setup and ready for your use (as you already discovered). Feel free to go ahead and use the wiki. (In fact, I am disappointed that more songs haven't been added!)

In all honesty, it's hard for a lot of people to share their work. It's just the nature of the beast. I don't really have an answer for it.

Once people realize that major re-work is required to use a shared sequence, they are more apt to share. (Just my opinion.) Besides, the real plus to sharing a sequence is just getting an idea of how it's done. Sometimes it's hard to imagine that those squares on the screen are going to amount to lights blinking!

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Folks,

I've seen quite a few other threads about shring sequences and about the collection of sequences on the PC Wiki.

But, here's another thouhgt about a business model for "selling" sequences. Instead of youy providing the music and the sequence, how about:

a) I provide the song I want to use (the copyright issue is then my responsibility)

B) I provide a graphical layout of where my channels are located in the yard as well as what each channel is planned to be (lawn, garland, tree, etc)

You compose the sequence for me for $X per minute of music (based on 16 channels). price goes up by some multiple (e.g. 1.5) for a 32-channel sequence, etc.

Thoughts? Off to the Wiki to see if I can find/borrow my first 16-channel sequence.

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The free portion of the website is 50% complete. It has easy, one step uploading so you can browse to your file, type in the description, license for use, artist, title, channels, and even optional fields such as your name, linking a picture, video, and/or website! More fields will come such as artist and CD name. Am I missing anything else? Is it too complicated? The form below is still under development, so there are some details to clean up.

For those interested in sharing, PM me and I'll get you access to get your files up before the site goes live.

For those of you interested in selling, PM me and I'll add you to mailling list. Store development will come much later after the free portion is live, so I'll email you if/when I am ready to start collecting your sequences. I have not started development on this, and I am not sure if I will or not.

There were several great suggestions throughout the discussion of this topic, and I will work on implementing those as I have time.

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Folks,

I've seen quite a few other threads about shring sequences and about the collection of sequences on the PC Wiki.

But, here's another thouhgt about a business model for "selling" sequences. Instead of youy providing the music and the sequence, how about:

a) I provide the song I want to use (the copyright issue is then my responsibility)

B) I provide a graphical layout of where my channels are located in the yard as well as what each channel is planned to be (lawn, garland, tree, etc)

You compose the sequence for me for $X per minute of music (based on 16 channels). price goes up by some multiple (e.g. 1.5) for a 32-channel sequence, etc.

Thoughts? Off to the Wiki to see if I can find/borrow my first 16-channel sequence.




This could easily be implemented with store, if I ever develop it.



site1.jpg
site2.jpg


I can post more pics later.

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That looks great Mike. I can't wait until you are finished with it.

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1st to llbarnes: I would live to see your Disney sequences when you complete them

2nd: I love the idea of the Website to share or sell sequences. this should be soley dependent on the creator. (with no music because of copyright)

HOWEVER.

I am more for a public domain type environment. with a few stipulations.

users who download a sequence MUST upload a sequence to share. that way everyone has to add to the list to make the site worth coming to. also, I feel that you get what you give. EX: you can only download the same channel size and time size sequnce that you up load. This way those who have worked really hard on longer more extensive sequences get the benefit of finding similar size and channel sequences. does that make sense or am i being to picky?

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users who download a sequence MUST upload a sequence to share. that way everyone has to add to the list to make the site worth coming to. also, I feel that you get what you give. EX: you can only download the same channel size and time size sequnce that you up load. This way those who have worked really hard on longer more extensive sequences get the benefit of finding similar size and channel sequences. does that make sense or am i being to picky?

Well it depends. Such functionality could be built in, but it would take a lot of extra coding. And keep in mind, the people who will find this resource the most useful may be newbies. But they probably won't/can't/don't have anything to upload yet. They want to learn how to do it first. Do you agree?

I personally wouldn't put in such restrictions for that reason. However, there's no reason why I couldn't have a newbies area and a members area that could have tighter restrictions. Honestly, the site will evolve into whatever it evolves into. My main goal is to get it up and running, so the site will be extremely simplistic to start. Once the site is running, I am more than happy to entertain feature requests.

I know no one has seen the site yet, but feel free to make requests if you have an ideas that could make the site better.



Here is the technical answer: (Read only if interested.)
The rules you suggest for downloading/uploading would take about 2-3 months of extra coding/testing to go live, and possibly more depending on how complex the rules are. This is because I would have to code the entire logic system for every possible case of how many uploaded vs. how many downloaded vs. how many channels vs. what they are authorized to do. It’s certainly not impossible, but my coding would have to be good enough to catch every single possible combination. If you limit this logic to max 30 uploads, max 30 downloads, and max 96 channels, there are over 10,000 different possible cases/combinations that could occur. This takes a lot of time to plan and serious coding to make sure every possibility is covered. For you non-coders, this doesn’t mean I have to have 10,000 logic rules, it just means there are a lot of overlapping variables which makes efficient logic rules complex and time consuming to generate.

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Ya Know I was thinking about this after I posted and it makes no since to cause restictions like that . After all we are all here to help each other. I would leave it a free public domain site if you can.

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mike:

Are you limiting the site to just Christmas? I just did about 4 or 5 general songs and would put them up there if you say so.



Let me know.



thanks

Michael

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No, the site is currently limited to LOR sequences only, but for any and every occasion.



I already have several people willing to share some sequences, so a big THANK YOU to those folks. The website launch will have quite a few good sequences ready to go! For those of you waiting for the temporary link to upload your work, it should be ready mid-next week.

I am also buidling a links section for Christmas related, LOR, and personal christmas websites. If you know a good site or have a personal webspace you'd like linked, please PM me with the link and short, paragraph "plug" to be posted with your link.

Again, thank you to those who have pledged their help already! We are currently on schedule to launch before August, but I can't make any promises.

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Bump...

Is the lauch of the sequence sharing site still on schedule to open up by August 1 or before?

Thanks and I hope I have something to contribute as well!

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I am going to release the URL this weekend (hopefully Sunday.) Since I have become involved with 2 separate LOR presentations and a website for the Chicago Mini-PLUS, I am woefully behind. However, the sequence sharing section works great! I have decided to release the URL and let the site develop.

Most of those who wanted to share something early haven't posted yet, so we are lacking in sequences. The good news is I hope people will upload, and we will have some fantastic articles pertaining to channel layout, design, and sequencing when I finish the mini-PLUS presentation material early September.

I am also working with a first time LOR user for his display. This means we will have video, photos, and details from beginning to end of the planning, design, channels, charts, considerations, sequencing, setup (hopefully as I am 2.5 hours away), and the final product. Content on this should start mid-August or sooner. Obviously, I can only post on this as we complete the tasks. However, come January we should have a great resource for the newbies who start afterwards. As always, y'all are always welcome to submit content as well.

When the URL is released, let me know if the website seems to run slow occasionally. I have noticed problems with this, so I need to know if it's my connection or if I need to switch web hosts.

For those of you wondering, there will not be a store. I have more than enough to keep me busy through this season and afterwards.

**Edit a few grammar errors**

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Feel free to look around and let me know what you think. Other than work on some articles, the site is mostly complete. The beginning info about Tom's first year display is going up soon, so check back in a few days.

http://lorsequences.com

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WOW that looks nice! So.... Now my site is closing, caus I like this one a LOT better! And it has better features.




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Looks good.

I know you have song title and other info but it would be nice if there was a link directly to the album on amazon.com - This way you would not have search for it and usually on amazon.com you can listen to a small preview of the song before purchase.

Also it would be a good idea to have the amazon.com link be an affiliate link so you could get a small kickback if somebodys buys the CD through your link.

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You have a good idea there. I will add it to my "to do" list.

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