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I would suggest contacting Dan first. It is his software.

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Well, we also need to remember how kind Carson was to upload his sequence for wizards to the forum. I'd say let's all just share and be honest about it all. I am 3/4 of the way through with Disney's Spectromagic on an 80 channel setup. #1, I need more idea's for sequences to paste in. #2, I'd be more than happy to share once it's done if everyone else is sharing too.

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Zac_Cutt wrote:

I would suggest contacting Dan first. It is his software.

Zac

Microsoft owns Excel, but people sell Excel templates for various items.

Joomla! is an open source product, yet people sell templates for profit for this software.

Simply selling a sequence would not require permission from anyone. The person who bought it would be responsible for having the software to make the file useful to them.

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Don, I would dbl check it over with Dan just because we don't know if he has something like this already in the works.

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As a newbie to LOL, I would be interested in buying someone elses' pre-done sequence file but only as follows:

1) You can't sell me the music that goes along with your sequence file. You can "refer" me that the sequence is timed to some MP3 audio, but you can't sell me the actual music file (all sorts of copyright issues).

2) You can sell me a sequence, but that then gives me unlimited rights to play it , re-use it, edit it, and even turn around and re-sell it (once editied?)....hmmmm.

How about being gracious to us newbies and toss-a-bone with a library of free sequences for simpler standard songs? It still gives you the bragging rights. May the person with the most downloaded sequences win (something...)

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llbarnes hit on something that I think everyone would be interested in.

For lack of a term, I'll called them "simple series." These may be 2 second, 10 second (whatever length) long, single or mulitpul channel configurations that you might loop or use wherever in a sequence.

I think it would easy enough to screen capture the segment and post the pic.

Example:
I've been working on a simple sequence in my head of 8 channels.
Think of them as 8 columns. Columns 1 would chase to 8 and 8 chase to one on top of each other. Maybe at 70%. Then on the same 8 channels, I'd like to work in another sequence at 100%

So two sequences (1 @70% and the other at 100%) are running on the same set of 8 channels.

A picture of what this would look like would be of value. I think others would like to see some simple ideas and incorporate them into their own.

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Don, you may not HAVE to, but I think out of being a good person and dealiong with a small company, why not?

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JR V wrote:

Don, I would dbl check it over with Dan just because we don't know if he has something like this already in the works.

We do have pre-sequenced shows in the works. We are currently working to get the rights to sell the music with the sequences. (it is a bit of a legal hassle).

That does not mean that people should not do it on their own.... One market that I think is wide open is building custom sequences for individual displays.

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Dan,

you guys should check out "smart-tracks" since that is royalty-free sound files that are sold as part of Pinnacle's Studio 10 video editing software. That home movie video industry is always asking about "permission" for copyrighted music. So, go google royalty-free background music.

It may not be the Transiberian Orchestra, but it gets the point across.

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That does not mean that people should not do it on their own.... One market that I think is wide open is building custom sequences for individual displays.

I think the KEY word here is INDIVIDUAL displays. I can't visualize how I could use a canned sequence without duplicating the display it was written for.

For instance I have 32 channles of LOR and 192 channels if DIO control. Makes for a fairly unique hardware config. The sequencing for a MegaTree vs a roof line vs a yard grid (to me) are fundamentally different thereby negating interchanging them.

Perhaps I'm missing the concept and the usability of canned sequences?

While I love Jeff T, and Don T's (to name few) sequences, I can't imagine drag and dropping or plug and playing thier sequences into my display without just copying thier display as well.

I'm sure I'm missing something, but there is something very rewarding about watching your sequence run and not hearing .. "Wow thats great .. it looks just like the one on the internet !!" (yikes) ...

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I think it all boils down to the marks on the sequence board. I don't care how many channels or where those channels are going to. Mine, just like everyone elses shows will be different (as explained earlier). The mark of an instrument, a voice, a boom or bang. I think some test sequences would help in the form of timing of marks on a sequence from songs/music (several channels of timing marks only, not a whole yard show). This would save a bunch of time in creating a new sequence of marks while repeatly listening to the audio over and over (which can eat up a lot of time). If created and shared/traded/bought, now you have the mark, now make it your own creation. That's what I think would be helpful for some (if not many). It's a start anyway. Now, to pay for marks on a sequence? Well the person doing the marking better have a good ear.

Just my thoughts,

Tom



My main point and idea couldn't be said better as above.

No matter how you cut it, there is editing. I think the discussion boils down to "are pre-tapped sequences customizable to fit any display without difficulty?" I would say yes because you add and do what you want. If you want your mega-tree to twirl, then yes, you have to add more events to the grid at the twirl. The point was to cover the major music events, and that's all. You won't get it tapped the way you want, but you can certainly get one with the basic work done (work you'd obviously have to duplicate if starting from scratch.)

We're getting hung up on completed sequences. Yes, completed sequences are nearly impossible to convert between displays...we understand that. But for beginners, being able to see and view such a thing is a major learning tool...the same as when people sharing sequences.

And I like the ideas a lot of you came up with. I think it would be a good idea to come up with some sort of collaboration site. A place with free items, hints, tips, and LOR ideas for megatree, minitree, house, etc layouts and examples would be great. Teaching and being an open community we all learn more than not sharing. I don't see any reason why we can't have a free library of ideas. The only problem is finding somewhere to put and share these ideas. PC is a cool place, but there isn't a lot for actual LOR sequecing besides the forums. I think the whole idea is great; we just need someone with enough inertia to put it up. Such a site could coexist with the orginial idea.


tsmith35 wrote:

Like the saying goes, "Give a man a fish, and he'll eat for a day. Teach a man to fish, and he'll be out on the lake every weekend."

Okay, it's really, "Give a man a fish and you feed him for a day. Teach a man to fish and you feed him for a lifetime."

So maybe "fishing" lessons would be more useful than swapping sequences. Perhaps the lessons could be developed into a variety of approaches that could be used. Although I like the idea for compiling a collection of cue lists to save time sequencing specific songs.

Tom

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LightORama wrote:

We do have pre-sequenced shows in the works. We are currently working to get the rights to sell the music with the sequences. (it is a bit of a legal hassle).

That does not mean that people should not do it on their own.... One market that I think is wide open is building custom sequences for individual displays.

I've done a bit of this custom sequencing for a few folks. They turned out fairly well, but that is only because I knew the exact layout and configuration of their displays. On a large or complex display I don't know how well a "canned" sequence would work without some heavy editing. I do think Dan's pre-sequenced shows will be a huge help to many, especially those who don't have a lot of time to write their own.

BTW, I do have some "starter" sequences available for anyone to download and use. They contain the main beats and sub beats of the songs with some basic events. They are intended to be used as a start and need to be adapted to your own show. You are required to purchase your own legal copy of the songs used. Several people here have used these sequences over the past two years. If you are interested please PM me or send an email to marty at christmasutah dot com and I'll send you the instructions on downloading and using them.

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If this was going to happen, I would set the default to 8 channels and the blocks are mini trees just set in a row. So then you could get basic chassing, fading and beets down and it would be easier to modify.




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As a newbie, I am interested in ‘pre done sequences’. Not to use them directly, but to figure out how to do it. For example, I want to do a fast spin of a mega tree. I don’t know the basic mechanics of it.
Do I turn the string on for 1/20th or 1/4th of a second? Do I turn the first string off before, during or after I turn on the second string and how much before or after. How many strings do I have on at once? Or do I fade them off? How fast do I fade them off? What if I want to do a slow spin? Or have a row of mini trees move up and down. By analyzing someone else’s sequence I can figure it out.

Even MORE helpful is if there is a corresponding video clip. I have a horrible time ‘visualizing’ the end result, even using the animation screen. Don’s sharing of his sequence was much appreciated, I can watch the video as his sequence/animation plays out and it all makes more sense to me.

I have seen ‘yard grids’ that blink, move back, forth, up & down. Some move too fast, some to slow. If I had a sequence/clip of a grid that I liked, it would give me a starting point to take off from. I am guessing that ‘chasing’ a row of mini trees spaced 3 feet apart would have different timing than if 18” apart in order to achieve the same effect. I don’t know where to start with either one. I know that I will resequence it many times over, but I would like to start somewhere in the same ballpark.

A week or two ago, Dan posted the spinning mega tree sequence & animation screen. That was a big help. Even the animation screen drawing out the 16 channels of the tree was so much clearer than my garbled attempt. I still figure that I’ll need to set up a 4’ mega tree in the den so I can work out the sequences that I want.

In regards to the songs, what would be helpful would be ‘pre-tapped’ channels of common pieces. IE: If I could start with a pre-tapped beat channel for WIW, that would be a time saver. I generally turn the sound off when I am trying to figure out how to do something.

Well, I have rambled on long enough. A ‘Library of Events’ with sequences, animation & videos of 10-20 seconds of various types of events would be a great help. I am hoping that the sequences that Dan is planning on offering will fulfill my needs.

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The thing that helped me understand the sequencing the most was the sequence and animation that Don a while back, particularly when I watched the video of the actual display. This will be my first season for a display, but think it would be extremely difficult to use someone else's sequence unless both displays were the same.

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Looks like we are most interested in a share site, perhaps with video, demos, sequences, articles, etc. I was thinking about the format some, and it would work to do it kind of wiki style. We already have the LOR wiki (thanks don!) which has some demos already. Are you folks interested in a more specific site for sequencing, organization, layouts, etc.? I don't want to overlap Don's wiki or work on something noone's interested in. I'd look into it if there's interest and if you think you'd contribute.


I'm thinking layouts, ideas, sequences, how to create different effects with (whatever) layout...basically, how to get the best milage out of your display.

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I recently implemented a family related portal site using drupal. Does require a hosting solution that handles php though. Can create users with logins. Forums, pictures, videos, user blogs, commenting to blogs and other posts- lots of modules to add on features.

Drupal Info http://www.drupal.org
Our Site http://www.schmidtfamilies.com

I find this forum (pc) a great place to chat and stumble on inforation from other's potings.
It would be nice to have a go-to site for some specifics. (i.e. pictures of nothing but boxes, specific how-to's, etc)

my 2 cents.

Tad

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Tad wrote:

It would be nice to have a go-to site for some specifics. (i.e. pictures of nothing but boxes, specific how-to's, etc)

The LOR Wiki can do this.

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The LOR wiki is great. My interpretation of the wiki site was more informative and documentation driven. It didn't quite fit the suggested share, post, trade type site. I think posting this type of information would "junk up" the wiki.

I think what the wiki is specializing in is certainly needed.

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Tad wrote:

The LOR wiki is great. My interpretation of the wiki site was more informative and documentation driven. It didn't quite fit the suggested share, post, trade type site. I think posting this type of information would "junk up" the wiki.

I think what the wiki is specializing in is certainly needed.

Tad

Disagree. For example, under Tip and Tricks, if someone wanted to post how they mounted their controller into an enclosure, they could post pictures. Make it step by step, even.

A section could be created called 'Programming LOR', and people could upload demo sequences for people to download. (In fact, I moved my old Sequencing Demo over to the Wiki this afternoon, it's under basics.)

Articles? People could write those all day. It's a place for users to contribute what they know about LOR, and where people can come and learn. What good does it do to start up another site, when you have one already that's doing the same thing?

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I'm with Don on this one. I can think of no better idea then to have everything that you could possibly want or need about LOR all in one place.
Centralizing would reduce the time it takes for everyone to find what they are looking for.

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is there anything stopping us from doing it all on the LOR wiki, sequener for hire, Sequences for sale and sequences to share

we do this for another wiki I peruse and there is all of that there, some are case studies which actually takes you from after you have everything installed, through setting up a complete PBX, with sample files.

there are those there that are for hire, they are limited to the sales speel length... I think it is 85 characters. Petty much what they do, where they are and how to contact them.

there are others with complete step by step how to's, and still others who link to completed system files, that you can download and put in your system.

Just tell me where and I will put a few up. I think they are more then just basics though.

me I would rather share ... and if someone wanted to pay me 1.6 million I would be more then glad to help them out.

I do this lighting for therapy, SMILE

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blearning wrote:

is there anything stopping us from doing it all on the LOR wiki, sequener for hire, Sequences for sale and sequences to share

The only things preventing it from being on the Wiki are

1) Someone wanting write the content
2) Said person asking me to modify the front page. (The front page is locked, but I will alway listen to requests for modifications to the front page.)

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Currently, nothing exists in the wiki for what is being discussed here.

I only said that the wiki was a great resource and my intrepretation as a user, was that it was more of a documentation type site simply because there is nothing BUT documentation.

If the site framework included some other these topics we are taking about, then it WOULD be the one-stop-shopping spot for all thing LOR.

Hopefully, Don will include these
:waycool:


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Tad wrote:

Hopefully, Don will include these
:waycool:


Tad

Someone shoot me an email or PM telling me what you want, and I'll take the request seriously. To date, no one has contact me about adding any new sections to the Wiki. I can't keep up with the threads here, so if someone make a specific request, I've missed it.

Please, email/PM me. I'll respond, promise. I'll take your request seriously, and work with you on it.

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