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Dan,

Yes, this is exactly the problem I am having. It happens with me all of the time. It's been happening for over a year. I'm available for any input required. Thanks,

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and I guess I must be one of the luckyones, has never happened to me (yet)

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Dan nailed it on the head. I have 4 tracks that are arranged with logical items. One is for the controller that has lights on the house. Another track is for some of the lights in the yard. Another track is for the other lights in the yard. And I just created another track to handle my 4 arches. So, this track has two controllers and 32 channels in it. But my screen only can show a total of say 24 channels (I dont remember the exact count at this momment). So I have to scroll the screen up and down to see the first 6 channels or the last 6 channels. Lets say I am working on one of the first 3 arches and I now want to work on the the 4th arch. So, I scroll down so I can see all of the last 8 channels and I click on a square that reps 2nd controller channel 9. As I click on this square, I see a shift. Right now I think it is a shift up by one channel so actually the channel I just modified (fade, turned on / off or twinkle) is on channel 8 of the 2nd controller. Now If you just happen to miss seeing this shift and you go on and do another few seconds or minutes. You notice that something is amiss. So you go back and then you find where things are where they are suppose to be. Then you scratch your head and wonder, what happened here. then you realize everything is shifted from this point on till you stopped. So, now you have to cut and paste to get things back to where they are supposed to be. Ok, all coding is fixed back to where you stopped. Ok, what was I doing / thinking? Scratch your head for a few minutes till your back up to speed and then continue. Till you slip to notice another shift / hope in the grid. Which happened about 3 times in an hour. It must have taken a good 5 - 7 minutes to correct each time it happened.

Kind of drives a newbie like me crazy trying to learn how to seq. along with a crazy arse bug like this.

Max

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I don't think it is just about tracks. I had it happen last year before I was even using tracks.

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I have been following this thread for the last few days and have to agree with Max and the others that this is a very irritating condition to have to watch for when sequencing.

Last year was my first year with animated lighting and sequencing and I chalked up this problem to being my own "lack of understanding" and probably the fact that I started way too late with things and was always in a hurry.

Now that I have been working on new sequences for the coming year, I am more and more frustrated by this. It does break your "train of thought" while working on things as well as make you "mad as h___" when you discover that you have a mistake that you have to go back and fix just about the time that you are getting into a good rhythm at setting something up.

This happens to me on 3 different computers that I use, so it doesn't appear to be "hardware specific".

I was only using approx. 80 channels last year, but this year I am doing sequences that contain over 200 channels so I get very cranky when it happens and I have to stop and fix something as well as the trouble of finding a "skip" if I am not paying very close attention to things as I go.

Bill

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JBullard wrote:

and I guess I must be one of the luckyones, has never happened to me (yet)


Mainly because of the difficulty we have reproducing it, my guess is that it only happens to a "lucky" few BUT it certianly is something that has to get fixed. Because of the number of LOR users, a few percent is 100s of people so that "lucky" few is likely not really just a few....

Dan

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After watching this thread for awhile, I must say this channel "hopping" actually happens all the time in Microsoft Excel. You can click on a different cell and poof, the highlighted box shows up somewhere else. I don't think it's an LOR only problem, and I'm not sure it can be fixed. It seems to be a gui/cpu/hard drive timing issue, meaning the computer isn't able to "keep-up" with the input of the mouse or keyboard, so it "puts" the highlighted box where it "thinks" it should be. The difference between LOR and MS Excel is that when using MSE nothing changes except a number, but in LOR you could be changing a command that tells a light or lights to perform a certain function i.e. twinkle, fade, etc, and that throws off the whole sequence. At least that is the way it seems to me. I agree though, it's very frustrating.

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Hmm, never seen this in my excel spreedsheets. Wonder if it has something to do with size of the spreedsheet.

I know that up till I started my 4th track I had not had this problem. And it was not right away either. Only started when I did the leaping arches with all of the channels on at the same time (48 channels) I think. You know where the traveling first segment leaves all of the segments on behind it. Then a traveling segment that is off that leaves all of the segments behind it off, but at one point all 32 segments are on for a beat.

but prior to adding the 4th track I only had 3 tracks with about 20 channels and 2 controllers.

next time I open the seq. I will have just done a restart. So any memory that is in limbo will be flushed back into the resources (memory leak). And no residue from Fire Fox or Thunderbird will be hanging in the background. I should have tried a reboot from the git go I suppose. Do that enough at work when we have weird strange unexplained problems.

Max

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I have had the channel hopping problem since 2005, long before S2 and tracks. It has occured on three different computers, first with Windows 98 then XP Pro.

Charles

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Charles Belcher wrote:

I have had the channel hopping problem since 2005, long before S2 and tracks. It has occured on three different computers, first with Windows 98 then XP Pro.

Charles




Now that I think about it, this may be a leftover from the artificial intelligence code that we originally put into the sequence editor. It was supposed to pre-determine what you were going to click and click things for you, thus save you lots of time. It didn't work well so we took it out.

This should have been posted on April 1.

Hope to get to the bottom of it.

Dan

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I'm new at this and on my second sequence I started last night that thing was jumping around like a chicken with it head cut off.

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Charles Belcher wrote:

I have had the channel hopping problem since 2005, long before S2 and tracks. It has occured on three different computers, first with Windows 98 then XP Pro.

Being as I'm still "on the fence" in regards to S2, is there anyone who had NO hopping with LOR1, but they NOW have it with S2?

Sorry in advance if this was mentioned already and I missed it.

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tonyjmartin wrote:

Charles Belcher wrote:
I have had the channel hopping problem since 2005, long before S2 and tracks. It has occured on three different computers, first with Windows 98 then XP Pro.

Being as I'm still "on the fence" in regards to S2, is there anyone who had NO hopping with LOR1, but they NOW have it with S2?

Sorry in advance if this was mentioned already and I missed it.


As mentioned this does not happen to many people and we are going to fix it. One of the reasons it is not fixed yet is that we can not get it to happen!

Most likely if we cannot get to the answer without help we are going to start sending diagnostics laden programs to volunteers who can help us understand what the problem is.

This does not answer you question but is an FYI.

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TGabriel wrote:

I'm new at this and on my second sequence I started last night that thing was jumping around like a chicken with it head cut off.


Hi,

Just to make sure we are on the same page, you would click on a row and the screen would move one row up/down or one column left/right... Is it moving up/down or left/right?

Does it matter where you are clicking on the screen? Does being close to the top or close to the bottom, left side, right side make it more likely that it moves?

What version of software are you using?

Type of PC being used?

All this info will help use get to the resolution.

Thanks
Dan

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Dan,

You pretty acurately described what happens to me. It always seems to be that the grid scrolls up one line. It does not scroll left or right. It happens just as I click the mouse. If I try to select channel 3, as soon as I click on channel 3, the grid scrolls up and my click ends up being on channel 4, the one below I was trying to select.

It doesn't seem to matter where I am at on the screen, top, bottom, middle, side, etc.

I am using the latest version of LOR (can't remember the #, I'm at work). It has happened with every version I have used since day one, back in 2005.

I am using Windows 2000 on a Pentium 4 - 2.4 Ghz

Hope that helps.

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TomD wrote:

Dan,

You pretty acurately described what happens to me. It always seems to be that the grid scrolls up one line. It does not scroll left or right. It happens just as I click the mouse. If I try to select channel 3, as soon as I click on channel 3, the grid scrolls up and my click ends up being on channel 4, the one below I was trying to select.

It doesn't seem to matter where I am at on the screen, top, bottom, middle, side, etc.

I am using the latest version of LOR (can't remember the #, I'm at work). It has happened with every version I have used since day one, back in 2005.

I am using Windows 2000 on a Pentium 4 - 2.4 Ghz

Hope that helps.




Thanks for the info.

Dan

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I haven't chimed in on this thread, but this happens to me also. And it is funny that you can do the same motion 20-30 times and nothing happens and then boom it jumps.

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Dan,

I currently am testing the latest version of S2 that is Beta, and it still happens. I believe it is 2.2.0. The problem still exists. I actually posted about it in the Beta forums too for Bob.

It doesn't matter where I am in the screen and it is a little random. At times it will jump up, at times it will jump over, etc.

Vista Home Premium
Intel Core 2 Quad 2.5Ghz

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Dan

You can check your files and see that I just a few week ago got the software and I update to the latest and greatest. It would jump UP very now and than with me and I'm running Vista. If I spelled that correct. Happen about 6 to 8 times, I hope this helps?

Thomas

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I have not been part of this discussion as many users have contributed go input.

I have noticed the hopping and discovered when there is a cell not aligned on the left side or bottom of the window, when clicking any cell it would then align the cells in the window.

Has anyone else seen this?

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Thanks for all the input and please keep it coming! Even if it only happens rarely to you your input may be helpful. We want to fix this. The more info we have the more we can hope to "see" what the problem.

The more exact details that you can provide of what is going on when it happens the better.

Type of command you are using (on/off/fade/twinkle... etc)..

Sequence Editor is maximized, Indivudual sequence is maximized within the sequence editor, number of rows/columns showing, resolution of the screen, etc...

Dan

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Just wanted to say "me too". The hopping does seem to happen randomly to me also. You can do something 10 times in a row and no hop, then the Jack Rabbit gets the urge and hop... ;)

Thanks for looking into it Dan and crew!

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This problem hasn't happened at all for me. I've used all the various versions of LOR up to and including the latest (v2.1.6).

I have sequenced on a desktop PC and two laptop PCs; two of the computers run Windows XP SP3 and one laptop runs Windows Vista SP1.

The XP desktop PC has 2 GB of ram, the XP laptop has 1.5 GB and the Vista laptop has 1 GB of ram.

Looking for common threads....My use of the LOR software is the same on all three machines, here are some common threads that may be of use in troubleshooting....

* I don't use the Animation window feature at all
* I always have the music waveform visible at full height
* I view fades as ramps
* I view channel buttons and channel button colors
* I view the time scale
* I have "select" depressed for the tools icon most of the time
* I use a lot of keyboard shortcuts when sequencing
* I use the mouse mainly to locate the cursor in cells or select groups of cells
* I use only WAV files for audio
* My configuration file for this year contains 630 channels, but about 200 of those are spares and/or futures
* I use the Tracks feature, but pretty sparingly
* Most songs use 0.05 second timing
* I am planning on adding DMX this year, but haven't added it to the sequences yet
* Display Preferences are all selected (4)
* On network preferences, all settings are default, network is comm3
* I don't use any video in the sequences

That's about all I can think of. Dan, if you'd like me to provide any additional info (since my setup doesn't show this problem), I'd be happy to work with you....

Thanks, Randy

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Randy wrote:

This problem hasn't happened at all for me. I've used all the various versions of LOR up to and including the latest (v2.1.6).

[snip]

Hi Randy,

Thanks for the information. All information (both when it happens and when it does not happen) will be helpful.

Thanks
Dan

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