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thebaronn wrote:

i took your advice and covered it with paper.

Will try something more substantial after vacation

Cool. Now all you need is something like paper that is water proof. I wonder if something like frosted glass paint would work on your clear pipe and even if it would stick to it?

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Question for those that had the FF flickering problem.....

I have not been able to reproduce any flickering in FF in any of my testing since I received my v3 pixel string.:? Rain or shine they have ran perfectly.:?

If you did experience FF flickering did you or did you not also have CDI 08 prebuy (problematic) LEDs running also?

Just a thought.

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Paul Roberson wrote:

Question for those that had the FF flickering problem.....

I have not been able to reproduce any flickering in FF in any of my testing since I received my v3 pixel string.:? Rain or shine they have ran perfectly.:?

If you did experience FF flickering did you or did you not also have CDI 08 prebuy (problematic) LEDs running also?

Just a thought.




Paul,

I don't have the V3 string, but my V1 & V2 fickered as soon as I hooked them up. With the V1, they were hooked up for testing in the house as soon as I received them. Nothing other than the FF was hooked to the PC. The flickered right away. V2 was also connected as soon as they were received, this time in the LOR network & display. Again, they flickered right away. I do not think moisture was a factor for me, unless the boxes got wet in shipment, but no appearance of such on the packaging. I might add, though, that I have hooked both V1 & V2 up after taking down the display and NEITHER pixel string flickers. I am at a loss as to what is going on.

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Denny wrote:

Paul Roberson wrote:
Question for those that had the FF flickering problem.....

I have not been able to reproduce any flickering in FF in any of my testing since I received my v3 pixel string.:? Rain or shine they have ran perfectly.:?

If you did experience FF flickering did you or did you not also have CDI 08 prebuy (problematic) LEDs running also?

Just a thought.




Paul,

I don't have the V3 string, but my V1 & V2 fickered as soon as I hooked them up. With the V1, they were hooked up for testing in the house as soon as I received them. Nothing other than the FF was hooked to the PC. The flickered right away. V2 was also connected as soon as they were received, this time in the LOR network & display. Again, they flickered right away. I do not think moisture was a factor for me, unless the boxes got wet in shipment, but no appearance of such on the packaging. I might add, though, that I have hooked both V1 & V2 up after taking down the display and NEITHER pixel string flickers. I am at a loss as to what is going on.


Thanks Denny,

Some of the problems I think we have had were firmware right off the bat. There were also some cold solder joints identified.

I have v1, v2, and v3 FF strings running every night just like my show did. They have been running flawlessly for about 3 weeks now.

I am also at a loss and not sure what to try next. I really want to find this problem and get a fix for it before next season. I really do not want to fight it again during the lighting season.:?

I was so positive I had a moisture problem with FF however now not so sure.:?

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thebaronn wrote:
i took your advice and covered it with paper.

Will try something more substantial after vacation

Cool. Now all you need is something like paper that is water proof. I wonder if something like frosted glass paint would work on your clear pipe and even if it would stick to it?


the word "frosted" gave me an idea.

What about the spray on snow? Talk about christmasy!

Where can I buy it this time of year?

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thebaronn wrote:

Paul Roberson wrote:
thebaronn wrote:
i took your advice and covered it with paper.

Will try something more substantial after vacation

Cool. Now all you need is something like paper that is water proof. I wonder if something like frosted glass paint would work on your clear pipe and even if it would stick to it?


the word "frosted" gave me an idea.

What about the spray on snow? Talk about christmasy!

Where can I buy it this time of year?



Good idea. Try here. :):D

Might have to respray it after every rain though.

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Paul Roberson wrote:

thebaronn wrote:
Paul Roberson wrote:
thebaronn wrote:
i took your advice and covered it with paper.

Will try something more substantial after vacation

Cool. Now all you need is something like paper that is water proof. I wonder if something like frosted glass paint would work on your clear pipe and even if it would stick to it?


the word "frosted" gave me an idea.

What about the spray on snow? Talk about christmasy!

Where can I buy it this time of year?



Good idea. Try here. :):D

Might have to respray it after every rain though.


arent you funny......................



did you watch my rudolph sequence:

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thebaronn wrote:

Paul Roberson wrote:
thebaronn wrote:
Paul Roberson wrote:
thebaronn wrote:
i took your advice and covered it with paper.

Will try something more substantial after vacation

Cool. Now all you need is something like paper that is water proof. I wonder if something like frosted glass paint would work on your clear pipe and even if it would stick to it?


the word "frosted" gave me an idea.

What about the spray on snow? Talk about christmasy!

Where can I buy it this time of year?



Good idea. Try here. :):D

Might have to respray it after every rain though.


arent you funny......................



did you watch my rudolph sequence:






Thank you. It did help you did it not???:D

Yes I have, howeve not sure I want to click on that link:shock:



edit...OK I clicked on it. I still think it is funny. If I were to see that in someones display. I would say w.t.h. then lmao.

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i have been hit with that google thing twice.

But when I ask for a vendor, its not because im lazy, more so I giving action to a vendor that you have used and like. word of mouth, thats how I found CDI. oops....bad example, LOL!! I kill myself!

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thebaronn wrote:

i have been hit with that google thing twice.

But when I ask for a vendor, its not because im lazy, more so I giving action to a vendor that you have used and like. word of mouth, thats how I found CDI. oops....bad example, LOL!! I kill myself!


Now that is funny!!!

Gotcha though. That makes sense.

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Man, it's the Paul and Baronn Show. You guys are relentless, but there has been some good info on this thread. Tonight I ordered one FF and a USB to 245. I have one of those around here somewhere, but who knows where. I think I got a DC controller board around here too, from when I was playing with MR16's, but that is it from D-Light.

Question, the D-light site really lacks. Is there any soft manuals for these things? Ones I can get my hands on before the unit arrives.

Next. What is not completely clear (so far in the thread, I am only on page 10), is what the heck drives these things? What do they plug into? DMX cables off my iDMX? AC plugs into a LOR controller? By themselves? Am I going to have to have some D-light controller? I saw a clear box in a picture, but could not tell what that was. I got all kinds of ideas for these things, but at $160 a pop, that may limit the way I use them.

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Man, it's the Paul and Baronn Show. You guys are relentless, but there has been some good info on this thread. Tonight I ordered one FF and a USB to 245. I have one of those around here somewhere, but who knows where. I think I got a DC controller board around here too, from when I was playing with MR16's, but that is it from D-Light.

Question, the D-light site really lacks. Is there any soft manuals for these things? Ones I can get my hands on before the unit arrives.

Next. What is not completely clear (so far in the thread, I am only on page 10), is what the heck drives these things? What do they plug into? DMX cables off my iDMX? AC plugs into a LOR controller? By themselves? Am I going to have to have some D-light controller? I saw a clear box in a picture, but could not tell what that was. I got all kinds of ideas for these things, but at $160 a pop, that may limit the way I use them.

LOL!!!

What the heck is a USB to 245?

Lets see. No there is no manual that I know of unless you count this thread.:)

The controllers plug into constant (not controlled) power. They hook up in the 485 network with cat5 cables.

When setting these controllers up in the channel property grid. You will set them up as 3 "consecutive" LOR 16 channel controllers. When you set the FF unit ID with D-lights hardware utility (which is a free download you will also need the firmware updater) you will use for example "0A" and the unit will take "0A, 0B, 0C". 0A would be 16 channels of Red, 0B will be 16 channels of Green, and 0C will be 16 channels of Blue.

Here are a couple pix of the controllers.

FFcontroller1.jpg

The green light is the pwr indicator. The red light is network light, blinking is not on network. Steady red is connected to the network. The two cat5 connections. They both operate as in or out connections. The white wire with the black connector is the connection to the pixel string. The green block is future use for triggers.


FFconnection.jpg

Close up of the pixel string connector although not the clearest picture.:D

FFcont2.jpg

They use a 12v power supply and the controller and pwr supply will require some weather proofing.

Hope this helps. Clear up some muddy water.:D

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ROTFLMFAO!!!!

That is the best yet!
And Paul is right, this is as close to a manual as you get. D-light better watch out, if LOR comes out with something like this, it's goodbye d-light

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How is that for response time!!!
Paul beat me but I have a handycap.
I'm using a phone and it is slow!!
More bars more places my a$$!!!
And I'm in line for space mountain, Woohoo!!!!!

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How is that for response time!!!
Paul beat me but I have a handycap.
I'm using a phone and it is slow!!
More bars more places my a$$!!!
And I'm in line for space mountain, Woohoo!!!!!

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Paul,

Thanks it sort of did. When I finally got to page 13 of this novel, I found out the mentions of controllers. So, you have to hook these controllers into your regular LOR network via the cat5. That is OK. It looks like the FF has a special plug on the end to then go into it's controller.

I got the part about the 3 sequential controllers. That I understood.

The USB to 245 I thought was required to be able to get the firmware download and renumbering of the controller numbers. Maybe I did not completely get that part.

I do hope Dan comes up with an equivalent product. I am not fond of mixing. I know some do with no problems, but then with the troubleshooting, there comes the rub. I can say reading has been entertaining. I just hope I did not [Foul Language Used] away $190 just to play. It sounds like you still have been seeing issues with the pixels, but I am only half way through the post on page 15!

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How is that for response time!!!
Paul beat me but I have a handycap.
I'm using a phone and it is slow!!
More bars more places my a$$!!!
And I'm in line for space mountain, Woohoo!!!!!

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thebaronn wrote:

How is that for response time!!!
Paul beat me but I have a handycap.
I'm using a phone and it is slow!!
More bars more places my a$$!!!
And I'm in line for space mountain, Woohoo!!!!!

Is your butt posting again????

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Haha, I was just thinking the same thing when I saw that wasposted 3 times!

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Paul Roberson wrote:

thebaronn wrote:
How is that for response time!!!
Paul beat me but I have a handycap.
I'm using a phone and it is slow!!
More bars more places my a$$!!!
And I'm in line for space mountain, Woohoo!!!!!

Is your butt posting again????

LMFAO and I guess Paul was too, literally.

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Paul,

Thanks it sort of did. When I finally got to page 13 of this novel, I found out the mentions of controllers. So, you have to hook these controllers into your regular LOR network via the cat5. That is OK. It looks like the FF has a special plug on the end to then go into it's controller.

I got the part about the 3 sequential controllers. That I understood.

The USB to 245 I thought was required to be able to get the firmware download and renumbering of the controller numbers. Maybe I did not completely get that part.

I do hope Dan comes up with an equivalent product. I am not fond of mixing. I know some do with no problems, but then with the troubleshooting, there comes the rub. I can say reading has been entertaining. I just hope I did not [Foul Language Used] away $190 just to play. It sounds like you still have been seeing issues with the pixels, but I am only half way through the post on page 15!

This is what I got, USB to RS-485 adapter. It is required to update the firmware, but you can set the controller ID with either it or LOR's USB to 485 adapter.

I agree and am also not fond of mixing. If Dan does come out with something I am so there!!

I am hearing that S2 is going to get a "color mixing" tool, and that will make programming a R, G, B color fixture WAY easier. That would make 16 channels of programming for FF and not 48.

I don't think you pissed away your money......it cost money to play.:shock:

I have all of my FF units running on my back deck and they have not missed a lick rain or shine. Guess we just need to run them by themselves.:shock::shock:

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I have all of my FF units running on my back deck and they have not missed a lick rain or shine. Guess we just need to run them by themselves.:shock::shock:


I think you might be right about running them on their own network; I think there may be some issues when running the FF with other controllers in the network. Also, from what I have deduced on the D-Light forum, Cat 5e must be used throughout the network, no phone line connections anywhere in the chain. I am getting the feeling that the problems are being caused by something other than or in addition to moisture.

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Maybe if you have bad Cat5 cables in your network, that could certainly cause noise on the 485 circuit.

My setup (that worked perfect with 2 fireflies) had twelve D-light controllers ahead of the Fireflies. The Fireflies were at addresses A0 through A5 with an iDMX1000 past them at E0. I did update the firmware in the Fireflies to the latest one.

Never had a controller issue. I am using LOR S2 to controll it, I think the Aurora users may have had some issues that LOR S2 did not.

Yes, I had some *pixel* issues that were fixed with a soldering iron in a matter of minutes. Once that was resolved, I got about 40 days of error free use out of them.

Denny wrote:

Paul Roberson wrote:

I have all of my FF units running on my back deck and they have not missed a lick rain or shine. Guess we just need to run them by themselves.:shock::shock:


I think you might be right about running them on their own network; I think there may be some issues when running the FF with other controllers in the network. Also, from what I have deduced on the D-Light forum, Cat 5e must be used throughout the network, no phone line connections anywhere in the chain. I am getting the feeling that the problems are being caused by something other than or in addition to moisture.

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Hmmm.....you know Gary......you got me thinking.....I was using AL in 07 and I fought com issues ALL season. Lights doing whatever they wanted. Even some now and then staying on at the end of the show unless I unplugged the controller. Among other issues.

For multiple reasons in 08 I switched to LOR. I have all PC controllers. My set up was 2 LOR controllers then 4 FF controllers then another 7 LOR and then an iDMX. All cat5, no phone line. I did not have any issues with the LOR controllers or iDMX.

I was so convinced this was a moisture issue with the FF units!! I mean it would rain I had problems. It was dry they ran fine!! Now, with them running by themselves just fine rain or shine. Not really by themselves any more I have one LOR controller in the network ahead of FF and after them.

Another thing to note....I had 28 08 CDI strings running off LOR controller 1 on our inside tree (always dry). I did not have any issues out of these strings at all. Now I would lose at least one string a night outside no matter if it was raining or not. However, when it was raining sometimes (not always) 1/2 a string of CDI LEDs would stay on faintly??? Maybe this was feeding noise into the network. 'scratches head at this point'.....


I did try during the season to put FF on its own network. I run video in my show and when I did this the video stopped running smooth????W.T.H. Anyway, I quickle switched everything back. I wish now I has shut the video down for the night too see if FF worked right that way.


GaryMartin wrote:

Maybe if you have bad Cat5 cables in your network, that could certainly cause noise on the 485 circuit.

My setup (that worked perfect with 2 fireflies) had twelve D-light controllers ahead of the Fireflies. The Fireflies were at addresses A0 through A5 with an iDMX1000 past them at E0. I did update the firmware in the Fireflies to the latest one.

Never had a controller issue. I am using LOR S2 to controll it, I think the Aurora users may have had some issues that LOR S2 did not.

Yes, I had some *pixel* issues that were fixed with a soldering iron in a matter of minutes. Once that was resolved, I got about 40 days of error free use out of them.

Denny wrote:
Paul Roberson wrote:

I have all of my FF units running on my back deck and they have not missed a lick rain or shine. Guess we just need to run them by themselves.:shock::shock:


I think you might be right about running them on their own network; I think there may be some issues when running the FF with other controllers in the network. Also, from what I have deduced on the D-Light forum, Cat 5e must be used throughout the network, no phone line connections anywhere in the chain. I am getting the feeling that the problems are being caused by something other than or in addition to moisture.

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