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Here is a link to the preliminary version of the kit assembly manual. You will see that the kit includes everything you need except the soldering iron. It even includes the solder (different diameters for different parts of the board) , heatsink compound, triac installation templates that act as light duty heatsinks ....

click here (3Mb PDF file requires Adobe Reader)

Comments are appreciated!

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Wow Dan, it looks great! I think it looks great and something I can probably even do myself! It's great that everything comes in one package. Can't wait to see the price point.

Jeff

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Dan, it looks great!I like the the fully detail Assembly ManualCant wait to get started.Jerry Plak

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Dan,

looks great, I cannot wait till i get the kits and get started, i really chomping at the bit with you releasing a little bit more info every couple of days :]

the instructions were very detailed i have an associates degree in computer and electronics engineering, and i found the of the tips even helpful for me

keep up the good work

bob

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Looks great Dan! I too like the idea that all the parts you will need are in the kit. The instructions seem very clear and informative. I am curious about the price too.

Bryce

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Very impressive Dan! Great Job!:waycool: Looks easier to assemble then my Ramsey FM25B was."GRRR" I know it may be too early to tell, but will there be two packages available, the Standard package, and the Deluxe Add On package. Or when we buy, we'll also have to purchase the Deluxe Add On kit seperately, to make it a deluxe?

Another great idea and product from Light-O-Rama. Lighting our way to the holiday's.

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Looks really good; can't wait. Good detailed manual and all the parts are included. Question though: What is the purpose of the Deluxe Ad-On Parts Kit? How does it change the operation of the CTB 16?

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[align=left]Denny, This may explain. It is in the instructions for the kit.

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[align=center]Version 1.0 [/align]


[align=center]January 12, 2006 [/align]


[align=center]Copyright © Light O Rama, Inc. 2006[/align]



[align=left]"This kit contains the light duty heatsinks. They limit the total current carrying capability of the controller to 15 amps. 7.5 amps for each of the two 8-channel banks. If you opted to purchase the regular heatsinks, then the full 40 amp current carrying capacity of the controller can be used. 20 amps for each of the two 8-channel banks. [/align]



[align=left]If you opted to purchase the CTB-16K Deluxe Upgrade Kit your controller will also include unit id selection switches, a speed control and the ability to run stand-alone sequences. Stand-alone support means that the controller can be downloaded with an animation sequence that it can run on its own. This stand-alone sequence can control the channels on this controller as well as other controllers connected to it."[/align]





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Scott,

Thanks, I feel like a real idiot now! I was so anxious to get to the manual that I completely overlooked that. Really, I'm not REALLY anticipating these kits.

Denny

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I know that post of mine took up a lot of space, and I can delete it. But for the sake of the group, I would like to leave it for explanation reasons only. If Dan doesn't mind.

I was raised on building stuff by pictures. But some of my projects came out really bad. Now I read everything, front to back, small print and all. So don't feel bad.:laughing:

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G'day Dan,

The manual looks good. A couple of suggestios for what they are worth...

When specifying current handling capabilities, reference it to a particular voltage, eg 120VAC or 240VAC. This would minimise the potential problem of people, whose power system is based on 240VAC, assuming that the product will support 40A at 240VAC. It might be good to include a small table depicting the various items and their current handling capability at both sets of voltages.

Something that is not clear is whether or not a particular release of firmware is already coded into the PIC. I assume there is.

Also are there are any issues regarding static electricity that need to be considered during assembly.

Regards,

davidt

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When specifying current handling capabilities, reference it to a particular voltage, eg 120VAC or 240VAC. This would minimise the potential problem of people, whose power system is based on 240VAC, assuming that the product will support 40A at 240VAC. It might be good to include a small table depicting the various items and their current handling capability at both sets of voltages.

davidt

David, it's my understanding that the amperage rating is irrespective of the voltage supply, 120 or 240.

i.e. 120volts gives 2400watts TOTAL load per bank, 4800watts per controller. (20amps per bank)

240volts gives 4800watts TOTAL load per bank, 9600watts per controller. (20 amps per bank)

At 9.6Kw you had better make sure your feeds are up to it :shock:

If I'm way off beam here I feel sure some kind soul will correct me!

Martin.

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grandad wrote:

davidt wrote:

When specifying current handling capabilities, reference it to a particular voltage, eg 120VAC or 240VAC. This would minimise the potential problem of people, whose power system is based on 240VAC, assuming that the product will support 40A at 240VAC. It might be good to include a small table depicting the various items and their current handling capability at both sets of voltages.

davidt

David, it's my understanding that the amperage rating is irrespective of the voltage supply, 120 or 240.

i.e. 120volts gives 2400watts TOTAL load per bank, 4800watts per controller. (20amps per bank)

240volts gives 4800watts TOTAL load per bank, 9600watts per controller. (20 amps per bank)

At 9.6Kw you had better make sure your feeds are up to it :shock:

If I'm way off beam here I feel sure some kind soul will correct me!

Martin.
We will double check the specs on things like the connectors. Sometimes they have a lower different amp rating at higher voltages... I believe that the current ratings are based on 240.

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grandad wrote:

davidt wrote:

When specifying current handling capabilities, reference it to a particular voltage, eg 120VAC or 240VAC. This would minimise the potential problem of people, whose power system is based on 240VAC, assuming that the product will support 40A at 240VAC. It might be good to include a small table depicting the various items and their current handling capability at both sets of voltages.

davidt

David, it's my understanding that the amperage rating is irrespective of the voltage supply, 120 or 240.

i.e. 120volts gives 2400watts TOTAL load per bank, 4800watts per controller. (20amps per bank)

240volts gives 4800watts TOTAL load per bank, 9600watts per controller. (20 amps per bank)

At 9.6Kw you had better make sure your feeds are up to it :shock:

If I'm way off beam here I feel sure some kind soul will correct me!

Martin.

Thanks for the good feedback!

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FYI, I've tried to read the PDF document on two different computers and I get a "There was an error when trying to parse an image" on page 15. The rest of the pages seem to come through fine. If it helps, I'm using Adobe Acrobat 6.0.4 (7/25/2005) to read the file.

From what I've seen, I'm pretty sure I will be able to put this kit together (I've recently did the FM25B transmitter).

Thanks for posting the document! I can't wait for the sale to purchase my first 3 LOR boards!

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JB,

I get the same error on two different computers also, but am able to decipher page 15.



Denny

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I bought a variable temp Soldering Iron station just for the LOR kit. Haven't ever soldered before. I have old circuit boards that I will practice soldering & desoldering on. The kit directions specify using 20w and 40w. What temperatures would that be equivalent to?

Thanks,

Eve, who is waiting patiently for a flyer in the mail box. Christmas is coming this month! Uh Oh. Wait- if in LOR time, the April sale is in May, does that mean the May flyer will come out in June? :] . I do thank Dan for his patience with all our excitement about the sale. We are like kids and he is Santa. We just can't wait for the arrival.

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grandad wrote:

David, it's my understanding that the amperage rating is irrespective of the voltage supply, 120 or 240.

i.e. 120volts gives 2400watts TOTAL load per bank, 4800watts per controller. (20amps per bank)

240volts gives 4800watts TOTAL load per bank, 9600watts per controller. (20 amps per bank)

That does not sound correct to me as it would violate ohm's law. It it was for example 2400 watts total then it would be 20 amps at 120 volts OR 10 amps at 240 volts.

TED

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Stupid question here because I have been out of the loop for a few months, but the CTB16 kit is not going to replace CTB16D hobbyist preassembled board is it? The reason I ask is that I am comfortable adding the enclosure and wires so I do not need the showtime product, but I am not so confident in assembling the entire board. Thanks!

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Ben,

The kit is in addition to. The Showtime and Hobbyist will still exist. The kit is a third option.

HTH!

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TED wrote:

grandad wrote:
David, it's my understanding that the amperage rating is irrespective of the voltage supply, 120 or 240.

i.e. 120volts gives 2400watts TOTAL load per bank, 4800watts per controller. (20amps per bank)

240volts gives 4800watts TOTAL load per bank, 9600watts per controller. (20 amps per bank)

That does not sound correct to me as it would violate ohm's law. It it was for example 2400 watts total then it would be 20 amps at 120 volts OR 10 amps at 240 volts.

TED



The limitation is due to the heat dissipation capability of the heat sinks on the triacs. The triacs drop a fixed voltage, regardless of the supply current. So the power dissipation of the triacs is strictly a function of current and independent of voltage.

-jim-

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TED wrote:

grandad wrote:
David, it's my understanding that the amperage rating is irrespective of the voltage supply, 120 or 240.

i.e. 120volts gives 2400watts TOTAL load per bank, 4800watts per controller. (20amps per bank)

240volts gives 4800watts TOTAL load per bank, 9600watts per controller. (20 amps per bank)

That does not sound correct to me as it would violate ohm's law. It it was for example 2400 watts total then it would be 20 amps at 120 volts OR 10 amps at 240 volts.

TED


Hi Ted,

Not sure I understand your reasoning :D

I believe Ohm's Law states P=V*I (power = volts times amps)

So 240 x 20 = 4800Watts

The L-O-R spec shows 20amps per bank and there are 2 banks per controller.

Therefore @ 240volts that works out to 4800 watts per bank, totalling 9600watts per controller.

Does that make sense? :)

[ -jim- I concur on the Triac limitations]

Martin

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DYI KIT question- Dan@ Light-O-Rama, or anyone else that might have an idea. I am curious to know. Is there any plans for a sequence for download purposes so we can test our kits once they are built. To make sure that everything is working ok once assembled. (Kind of like the test you do before sending out units). Just wondering, thanks

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i believe that if you use the hardware utiltiy you can test all of the functions of the board

bob

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I am planning on purchasing the kit as well. I plan on creating a sequence to first cycle each channel on then off. Then a chase. Test each channel for each effect and At some point make sure that the controller would support all channels on at the same time.

I purchased my first controller earlier this year and got one of the batch that had the bad voltage regulators. In the threads discussing that Dan mentioned that they would be modifying their test to include an all on section.

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