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2 hours ago, TheDucks said:

It is only split by BANK.  8 + 8  (when there are 2 sets of  input terminals). Also some controllers require that 12V be on a specific bank or you must use a 12V wall wort connected to the barrel connectors.

A Pixie4 only has 1 bank

A pixie16 can run 2 different psu's a 12v and a 5v on the two separate banks. However , why? 

If you connect the 5v accidentally to the 12v side - poof there goes the pixels. Also in a pixie controller ALL ports have to be set up for a specific 50/100 pixel count.

A pixie can control 170 nodes. In order to achieve that you need to set it up in your sequence as a pixcon16. Using the same starting unit ID as you do when you configure the pixie16. Once you do that you can select the correct # of pixels 101-170.

There are other settings with the newest fw that will allow you to do other things with a pixie series controller  such as setting it up to treat smart pixels just as a dumb pixel controlling every pixel in a port as 1.

The video appears to be a lot of pixel nodes connected by strips and then connected to the roof. Because there are so many and the viewing distance is far it looks good.

You will want to keep your pixels per controller the same voltage to keep it simple.

The pixie series controllers are by far the easiest entry level controller to run, IMO and I was one of the first to receive and Beta testing. At the time I knew absolutely nothing about pixels or pixies. Now I have a lot of pixie controllers, all of which I built and all have the same 12v pixels. Though I use 350w for pixie4's, 500 for 8's and 750-1000 for 16's.

You can learn how to setup, configure and test any pixie series controller here.

JR

 

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8 hours ago, rgardner518 said:

What's better? 50ct @ 5v or 100ct @ 12v?

There are advantages and disadvantages of each.  The biggest plus of 12 volt pixels is that you can generally go with longer strings without needing power injection.  The biggest disadvantage of 12 volts is that the current draw for 5 volt WS2811 pixels (what most of us are using) is exactly the same as for 12 WS2811 pixels.  That means that the wattage is 2.4 times higher for 12 volt pixels and therefore you will likely need larger or more power supplies.  That potentially may mean that you need additional AC power circuits to your yard.

 

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3 hours ago, k6ccc said:

My opinion here.  If you are even thinking that you may run video - use a P10 matrix over individual pixel based matrix.

 

Any ideas on the best place to start...to find P10?

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21 minutes ago, rgardner518 said:

Any ideas on the best place to start...to find P10?

WiredWatts is where I have gotten mine.  Crocketts is currently out of stock.  If your going big you might also want to check with RayWu.

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18 minutes ago, rgardner518 said:

Any ideas on the best place to start...to find P10?

Crocket Family of Lights CFOL

JR

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8 minutes ago, caniac said:

WiredWatts is where I have gotten mine.  Crocketts is currently out of stock.  If your going big you might also want to check with RayWu.

WiredWatts is near me, good peoples.  👍

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26 minutes ago, rgardner518 said:

Any ideas on the best place to start...to find P10?

I purchased my P10 items from diyledexpress but purchased my beaglebones and a few other P10 items from wiredwatts. CFOL is great also. I only use my P10 for a tune to sign but I do have a 24x50 matrix. The main things is, have fun with whatever you decide to build.

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42 minutes ago, ebrown1972 said:

I purchased my P10 items from diyledexpress but purchased my beaglebones and a few other P10 items from wiredwatts. CFOL is great also. I only use my P10 for a tune to sign but I do have a 24x50 matrix. The main things is, have fun with whatever you decide to build.

Bingo!

They all look good for their purposes.

Everyone will have their opinion as to where to get the items.

But if you decide on the 50X24 (4'X8') Holiday sequences IMHO is the best. I purchased one somewhere else and it sit in storage in my garage for a couple years and when I unrolled it, it was cracking so I purchased another one from HS @ $75

JR

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6 hours ago, caniac said:

WiredWatts is where I have gotten mine.  Crocketts is currently out of stock.  If your going big you might also want to check with RayWu.

I see some say indoor rated and some say outdoor rated. Does it "really" have to be outdoor rated? I say this because we all know not everything we use in our displays are outdoor rated...vampire plugs is just an example of something not outdoor rated and we ALL use them on our displays for years, lol.

Saw this video that if I build something like that allows me to get indoor P10's.

So now to find a P10 chat about how boards are made. Any advice?

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14 hours ago, caniac said:

my show using a P10, located central in display

 

Your p10 matrix looks amazing...yet this guy makes p10...look bad, lol

 

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50 minutes ago, rgardner518 said:

I see some say indoor rated and some say outdoor rated. Does it "really" have to be outdoor rated? I say this because we all know not everything we use in our displays are outdoor rated...vampire plugs is just an example of something not outdoor rated and we ALL use them on our displays for years, lol.

Only sort of.  If the P10 is in a TRULY weather protected location, you can put bare P10 panels outside.  I have for the past two seasons.  Here are two photos that show how my P10 matrix was mounted.  I fully admit that the only reason I did that was because of a lack of time.  I got that mounted about 4 hours before my opening night event - and I still had to bake a few hundred chocolate chip cookies...

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Even if you do have weatherproof panels, you will still need an enclosure because the Raspberry Pi or Beaglebone that drives it is not waterproof.

The other catch with outdoor panels is that they are intended primarily for advertising billboard that can be seen in daylight.  That means that they are seriously BRIGHT!

39 minutes ago, rgardner518 said:

Your p10 matrix looks amazing...yet this guy makes p10...look bad, lol

P10 panels have LEDs every 10mm.  P5 panels have LEDs every 5mm - four times time pixel density.  If you are very far away, you may not notice much difference, but particularly if you are close, the P5 will look better.  This photo shows my P10 and P5 matricies hanging in my family room.  For my application, the P5 will have people within a few feet of it whereas in most cases, the audience is much farther away from the P10 matrix.

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With all your help I think I have decided to go with P5 if I do a matrix board.

I'm thinking lexan comes in the biggest 48"x96". So I think I can do 7x7 and still have play for frame around it. But I think that number will not work out. So I may have to do 6x7...I fear I maybe stuck do 6x6. I want to go a big as possible. But it seams where I'm having issues is finding a clear piece of plexiglass product to cover the front to waterproof. Unless I do a seam down the middle, and that would look like [Foul Language Used]!

Now...how do I control it? What Im seeing on YouTube is something about raspberry controller software that's NOT lor. Im sorry but I want to stay with lor! So i dont know what do do.

Any opinions?

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1 hour ago, rgardner518 said:

Now...how do I control it? What Im seeing on YouTube is something about raspberry controller software that's NOT lor. Im sorry but I want to stay with lor!

Currently the only way to control a P10 or P5 panel is with Falcon Player.  Don't let that scare you.  Falcon Player can be set up in Bridge mode which make it simply appear to be an E1.31 controller - and LOR controls E1.31 controllers just fine.  That is how I am running my matricies.  Falcon Player (also called FPP) gets installed on either a Raspberry Pi or a BeagleBone single board computer.  Installation is as simple as downloading a file and writing that to a uSD card.  There are a couple settings to do, but that's about 5 minutes, and you're done.

 

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Here is an old P10 thread you can read thru.

 

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9 hours ago, rgardner518 said:

I see some say indoor rated and some say outdoor rated. Does it "really" have to be outdoor rated? I say this because we all know not everything we use in our displays are outdoor rated...vampire plugs is just an example of something not outdoor rated and we ALL use them on our displays for years, lol.

Saw this video that if I build something like that allows me to get indoor P10's.

So now to find a P10 chat about how boards are made. Any advice?

there is a Facebook group dedicated to all things P10 and P5

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7 hours ago, rgardner518 said:

With all your help I think I have decided to go with P5 if I do a matrix board.

I'm thinking lexan comes in the biggest 48"x96". So I think I can do 7x7 and still have play for frame around it. But I think that number will not work out. So I may have to do 6x7...I fear I maybe stuck do 6x6. I want to go a big as possible. But it seams where I'm having issues is finding a clear piece of plexiglass product to cover the front to waterproof. Unless I do a seam down the middle, and that would look like [Foul Language Used]!

Now...how do I control it? What Im seeing on YouTube is something about raspberry controller software that's NOT lor. Im sorry but I want to stay with lor! So i dont know what do do.

Any opinions?

Look around at glass/window companies, you can get lexan in any size you want.   In my case I had to drive a couple of hours but I was able to get what I needed and they cut it for me (needed it 54" x 54").  you can find raspberry Pi's at Amazon for $35.  FPP is a free download and there is no shortage of help configuring it.

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14 hours ago, caniac said:

there is a Facebook group dedicated to all things P10 and P5

Thanks...I just joined it. Ive been trying to join the LOR Facebook gr for months. And its still pending. Anyone know John Wiechmann?

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4 hours ago, rgardner518 said:

Thanks...I just joined it. Ive been trying to join the LOR Facebook gr for months. And its still pending. Anyone know John Wiechmann?

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FYI- You do know that the LOR FB Group you mention does not represent LOR. However Light O Rama does have a FB group buts its usually active during the LOR contest times.

Just wanted to inform you

JR

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