Another Year, Another Prop - The Diamond Prop how I made it.

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Warning, long read ahead. Pics and videos throughout.

This is a new prop for me this year. I call it the Diamond prop.

Lights, Controllers, Network, and Materials.
I used a Pixie16 with 50 Led Strings. I chose bullet pixels because originally I was going to build it much smaller, thus the bullet pixels would fit closer together than the square pixels. As I started to design it and working out the math and geometry and thinking about what size I wanted this prop to be. I ended scaling it up to the present size. The size of this prop will will fit into my current layout much nicer.

Size.
This prop is not a square turned on it's side to create a diamond. In order to use all 800 pixels of the Pixie 16, I had to modify the geometry some. The bottom two lines are 13 pixels long, whereas the upper two lines are 12 pixels long. 13+13+12+12 = 50 pixels. Keeping in mind that each corner of the diamond has it's own starting pixels, the pixel size of this prop is 14 pixels for the bottom lines and 13 pixels on the top lines. This still comes out to 50 pixels per diamond, it's just the shape has been modified to allow for the starting pixels.

 

The over all size (pixel to pixel) is 98 1/2” wide x 108” tall. When I cut this out, I added a 3 inch border so the pixels would not be right on the edge of the frame. The inner diamond (no pixels) is 27” wide x 30” tall. Overall it's a big prop.

S5 Version and License Info.
I am using ver 5.2.2 Pro License and I have a 40 CCR License for Superstar. All the images and effects shown in gifs and videos below were created using these Licenses.

Materials.
I used two 3 mil sheets of Corex (known at Home Depot as Coro-Plast) 4' x 8'.
The frame was built using 4 – 2”x 3” x 96” studs and 1 – 1' x 3” x 96” board and assorted screws and fender washers. The prop is very light, easy for one person to carry.

Prop Layout.
At work I have access to a 5' x 10' Router table and design software. This prop could have been designed by hand, but was much quicker and a whole lot more accurate using the design software. For instance the very outer row, is spaced so that the length of wire between pixels fits into the mounting holes without stretching the wires.

The bullet pixels that came with the Pixie16 are 12mm in diameter, I setup the software to cut a wee bit smaller than a 12mm hole. A 12 mm step up bit should work fine. The holes cannot be larger than 12mm or the pixels will not hold tight.
Since this prop was designed with software I am able to create a .eps file of the full size hole layout. If interested let me know, I can post this file. You should be able to take it to any Print Shop that has a large printer and get it printed out to use as a template for hole placement and drilling. FYI, Sign shops have large printers.

LOR S5 Prop Design.
I like to build my props in LOR first before I spend the money on a controller and lights. This assures me that it will create the effects I am looking for and that I get the most bang for my buck.
When I built my Blade Spinner, I was able to use the Group Arrangement called "Nested" in a very limited way. I knew the next prop I built would take more advantage of the Nested Groups.
Nested Groups work well when the props has staring points that radiate outward from the center, hence the “nested” terminology.

This Diamond prop is constructed using 64 “Lines Unconnected”, therefore every line has it's own starting pixel for a total of 64 starting pixels. The diamonds are constructed from the center outward, meaning diamond 1 is the center, and diamond 16 is the outer diamond. Each diamond has 4 starting pixels located at each tip (corner) of the diamond. This layout of starting pixels is important to be able to use the Nested Groups design successfully.

Groups, Groups, and more Groups.
Groups within S5 are very useful for getting the most out of your prop. In the example below the effect I am using is the Wave effect, as you can see that same effect using the same settings displays differently on the prop when applied to different Nested Groups. Instead of having just the one Wave effect, I have 3 other effects that can be used in sequencing all because of the use of (Nested) Groups. Actually I have many more effects when I tweak the setting in the wave effect.

Currently this prop has 28 groups. Some groups were made just to group certain pixels so that they could be used in another group. I am still in the process of creating new groups as this prop is very versatile. As of now I am using 6 major groups to create effects with. When I get more time I will create more examples of other effect using the Nested groups that will show the results of clever grouping.

Summary.
This is a big prop, and because of the Nested groupings I can create many more effect for than what is offered in the Preview Group. It was an easy build, it took me a weekend to paint, frame and assemble.

I built this prop many times in LOR S5 using different groups and had test sequences ready and running when installing the lights. If you are thinking of building new props I encourage to think of the design aspects and what can be possible using creative grouping. Build it in LOR S5 first, apply as many groups as you can so you understand what effects will be available.

Right now the prop is in my basement and I cannot turn it to video it because it is to tall for the roof, which is ok because it is cold and rainy outside, inside it is warm and the beer is cold. In the next few days I will move it to the garage where I will take more video of it. This will give you a feel for the size of this prop.

Alan...

[B.Y.R.G. 124]

Awesome idea and looking forward to seeing it in action.  Thanks for sharing!

[gsmith37064 146]

The effects are really cool for it. Nicely done!

[TheDucks 152]

That is a stubby Kite shape, not a diamond 😛

(I am green with envy, that you have an NC machine and even enough room to have one)

[lkcubsrule 25]

This is a great example of how to use nested groups in Light-O-Rama to achieve effects not originally possible in a traditional layout, or even the custom layout.  By breaking down an element into further subgroups, you can have additional flexibility in programming -- as Alan's exhibiting.

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Here's a video of the prop in the garage. (too big to stand up in the house for testing) The video shows the Preview of each effect first then shows how the same effect changes when applied to "Nested Groups".

I mis-spoke in my original post. I said the file I could save from the design software could be saved in the .eps format. I found that an .ai file would be better for a print shop to print. I stoppped by a Fed-Ex Office Printing store, I was told they could print it for roughly .89 cents a square foot. A 10' x 10' pattern should only cost $9.00  to print. At that store they would only be able to print the file on 36" wide paper. So the pattern would have to be taped together to make a full pattern.

Here is the .lpeprop I am currently using, If you want to look at it and see how I arranged the Nested Groups.

2019 DiamondProp.lpeprop (righ click - save as)

Alan...

 

 

[Brad Stucky 2]

Wow! Some really great effects there, Alan.   Thanks for sharing this.   I'm inspired to start experimenting a bit more.

[Jack 0]

Alan,

Are you saying that you took String 1 and broke it down into 4 channels with Channel 01 having the first 13 pixels/nodes, then channel 02 has 12 pixels, Channel 03 the next 12 and channel 04 the last 13 pixel of that string. String 2 would be channel 05 and so forth, or am I confused again.

With this being a Large prop and a light frame are you placing on a wall? Also would love to see all the nested groups when you get done.  Just getting started with RGB Devices and have LOTS to learn.

Looks Great.

Jack

Edited February 3, 2019 by Jack
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Jack,

With the exception of a terminolgy word change - Yes, that is what I did. Rather than use the word "channel" (to avoid confusion for actual rgb channels) I would use the word "sections".

2 hours ago, Jack said:

Alan,

Are you saying that you took String 1 and broke it down into 4 channels with Channel 01 having the first 13 pixels/nodes, then channel 02 has 12 pixels, Channel 03 the next 12 and channel 04 the last 13 pixel of that string. String 2 would be channel 05 and so forth

Would be more accurate to say

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Are you saying that you took String 1 and broke it down into 4 sections with section (diam 01 01) having the first 13 pixels/nodes, then sections 02 (diam 02 01) has 12 pixels, sections 03 (diam 03 01) the next 12 and sections 04 (diam 04 01) the last 13 pixel of that string. String 2 would be sections (diam 02 01) and so forth

I named the sections the way I did, to ease the confusion in keeping track of the 64 sections. I did a lot of copying and in doing that it renames the prop. The key to understanding the 64 sections is in the naming.

(diam 01 01) is diamond side 1 diamond 1

(diam 02 01) is diamond side 2 diamond 1

(diam 03 01) is diamond side 3 diamond 1

(diam 04 01) is diamond side 4 diamond 1

(diam 02 01) is diamond side 1 diamond 2

(diam 02 02) is diamond side 2 diamond 2

etc.

Here is the  .lpeprop file for this diamond prop. Feel free to download and play around with it, both in Preview Design and applying effects to it in Sequencer.

Diamond Prop.lpeprop (Right Click - Save As)

Here is also a short gif from the Preview design that shows how each diamond is constructed in relationship to the other diamonds.

Hope this helps.

Alan...

[Jack 0]

Alan,  First off S5 is just kicking my A##. I got to the point that I could see all of different lines in the prop, I could preview one segment at a time but when I tried to do a play back I got a message about needing to be in enhanced mode??  must not have something set up correctly, don't know why that would have changed from S4, but not your problem.

Ok so we change channels to sections but where does the 64 lines unconnected come from / to,   is this a Super Star term?

Still,  way Cool but how do you keep your arms around all of it, all the options would take me weeks just for this one prop.

Jack

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Jack,
Here is a step by step video I started to make alwhile ago. I had made a huge mistake in it and put it aside. I found it again, and made the corrections. This should further explain how I made this diamond prop. It gives some insight into building props within S5.

Note near the begining, you must use a "Enhanced Network" for this prop. It shows the setting you need to set.
Hope this helps.
Alan...

 

[Jack 0]

Alan, 

Thank You, thank you, thank you. This helped in several of ways.

Forgot to hit Submit Reply, might have hit the snoozzzzzzzed instead.

[Vince4xmas 67]

Very helpful. Thanks much!

[rphelps68 0]

do you sell the coro with the holes in it already? I would be willing to buy it. if so, let me know.

 

rphelps68@yahoo.com

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Sorry, but no I don't sell the Corex already drilled. It would be almost 2 full sheets (4x8), bending them would be more trouble than it's worth. The cost for shipping would be pretty pricey I suspect.

On 12/9/2018 at 10:48 PM, default said:

Since this prop was designed with software I am able to create a .eps file of the full size hole layout. If interested let me know, I can post this file. You should be able to take it to any Print Shop that has a large printer and get it printed out to use as a template for hole placement and drilling. FYI, Sign shops have large printers.

Jeff F took me up on my offer for the design file, so he could have someone near him print a pattern.  I have not heard back from Jeff F as to whether he got a printed copy done yet.

Also above I called the file format an .eps, this would be the file for the router to cut the holes and size of the corex more local to you. Sign Shops are a great place to start, as most use table routers.

I also created an .ai (Adobe Illustrator) file for printing the pattern out so you could drill your own holes. These files can be printed at a Print shop that has an oversize printer.

If interested in the files, PM me and I'll send your way.

Hope this helps.

Alan...

 

 

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I was asked to post some more effects on this prop, here are some in the yard.

Alan...

 

 

[sysco 9]

default  that is something else,  just great   thank you for sharing your work I love seeing this stuff  hats off to you

[dgrant 177]

I'm impressed! Shows what can be done with just a little imagination and follow-thru to completion.

[ebrown1972 39]

Nice work again default. Default is the brain behind the original pixel spinner!

[Mscannic 4]

Really amazing and so cool!!!  

[Jeff F 7]

Just finished building this prop.

Many thanks to Defult for printing the pattern and getting it to me.
When I started this prop, the pattern didn't seem very big.  But once all built, it is.  And I do have to say very cool.  Took a few hours over the weekend to get it built.
I actually cut the frame and put hinges so hopefully I will be able to fold it after the season and store it in the basement. (assembled , it didn't fit up the basement steps.
I added some emt conduit on the back just to add additional support for those winter storms we get.  I used a small drill bit to mark the holes through the paper pattern.
Then I used the step up bit to 12mm to drill the 800 holes. That actually went fast.  About 2 hours.

I've played with some sequencing in S5.  You really can do some interesting effects.

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Looks Good Jeff ! 👍

Jeff F and I have been sending PM's back and forth. One very cool issue that comes to light with this prop is the over abundance of effects you can apply to it. It is almost overwhelming at times. I told Jeff I would create a video that shows some of the effects I use for this prop.

The first video i made, I tried to show how the effects were created, and again there are so many possibilities, it proved to hard to make a video that showed the creation of effects. Instead i made a video that shows already created effects and point him in the direction to alter them or to create new effects based on the settings. I also show a way to save created effects so they can be used again with slight modificatins.

Near the end of the video, I show how to overlay Superstar Effects with S5 Motion effects opening up even more ways to create effects for this prop.

Other forum members have contacted me and have downloaded the pattern and are making this prop also. So instead of making this video private I decided to post it here with the hope it will helps others understand how to create effects for this as they finish up building thier diamond props.

Alan...

The files used in this video. (Right Click and "Save As")

The S5 .loredit animation file diamond sample effect df01.loredit  uses the up arrowup R.gif  Both must be downloaded to work properly.

The diamond sample effect w SS df02.loredit uses the following SS .avi files All these files must be downloaded to work properly.

SS_20190914073719_6274b32dc9e84dfca9002491cd7b88df.avi

SS_20190914072148_f5d26f32fdc94af9a66f8ff10d176e91.avi

SS_20190914070023_4919b336dfa34880adde2beb23b78f7d.avi

SS_20190914062746_b5e282dc98d24ce3b239f99b2966fa9c.avi

SS_20190914063113_635ebe94e7d845fa9bfa29d3094f8d10.avi

SS_20190914061404_4e17cbcbe9704f10a523600fad88a2f7.avi

SS_20190914061627_6123c0d9911946f786251cd833eb4dec.avi

For these animation files to work properly all these files must be downloaded and saved in a folder. (hint - remember the folder name, name a folder diamond effects and put them all in there)

A quick gif to show you how to File Reference to correct issues of missing files. This happens because you are going to save them in a different location than I have. S5 expects to find them where I put them, this just changes the location (directory) to where you put them on your system.

and the video that ties all these files together.

 

 

 

[Jeff F 7]

Thanks Default for creating the video!!
This is a very cool prop to have.  The combinations of effects is endless.
Remember to "Save" your effects.
Also remember to SAVE your sequence often!!

Thanks for all the support you have given for me to have this prop in my display this year.  It really will give that WOW effect!

[Jeff F 7]

Alan,

This prop is a hit in my display!
Thank you so much for helping with the pattern.

I wish I had a good camera to post a video.

Can't wait to see what you are doing for 2020.

Thank you again and have a Very Merry Christmas.

Jeff (from Wisconsin)