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This is why when I make my cables I leave the strands way outside the connector. And I do not use the strain relief or covers.

I have flat cable I use for my security cams but never thought about them for LOR since I pay about twice as much for the flat cable bare spool.

JR

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On ‎12‎/‎11‎/‎2018 at 7:50 PM, Listen to the lights said:

Now the challenge becomes, the most efficient way to run Ethernet from inside to outside without drilling a hole.

My first couple of years I had my show computer (laptop) on a shelf in the garage next to the first controller.  Now I have moved it inside the house by the house computer.  Luckily I have access to my attic with plenty of room to move around.  I drilled a hole in the top plate of the wall behind to computer and ran 6 lines of cat5e down into the house.  1 for E1.31 and 5 for LOR networks (just in case things come to that).  They run out to some RJ45 covered plates mounted in the soffits on each side of the house, then I run a line down to the controllers.  Color coding and labeling became very important at that point.

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1 hour ago, Little_b said:

My first couple of years I had my show computer (laptop) on a shelf in the garage next to the first controller.  Now I have moved it inside the house by the house computer.  Luckily I have access to my attic with plenty of room to move around.  I drilled a hole in the top plate of the wall behind to computer and ran 6 lines of cat5e down into the house.  1 for E1.31 and 5 for LOR networks (just in case things come to that).  They run out to some RJ45 covered plates mounted in the soffits on each side of the house, then I run a line down to the controllers.  Color coding and labeling became very important at that point.

Yes, I also have extra cables going from third floor to garage level as well. I needed those any way for security cameras. I also have some extra twine ran along side just in case. 

The good about POE cameras, only one cable to pull.

JR

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It may be that you need to cut the boots off of these as well.  Here’s the pictures so you can judge for yourself. 

 

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1 hour ago, Soupy8728 said:

If they came in a longer size those would be perfect for the CCB100D and probably the CCC-II pixie controllers.  And yes, cat6 can be used the same as a cat5 cable.  My issue is I need those to be in a 25 foot, 50 foot, 75 foot and 100 foot lengths!   And I only saw 3', 5' and 10 foot.    Nothing longer, I searched and came up empty.  Would also be nice if both ends had right angle connectors on them.

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9 hours ago, jtomason said:

It may be that you need to cut the boots off of these as well.  Here’s the pictures so you can judge for yourself. 

 

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Same boots on my rounded cables, they'll bend the same way, just NOT enough for the CCB100D Smart Pixel controllers.  So, yes, I'd still have to cut the boots off.  But flat cables would be much better since I have to currently run them under a door or window to get mine outside.  Fortunately my front door has somewhat of a gap under it, so it doesn't pinch the cables at all.

Plan on eventually putting in a pass through plate on the inside and outside of the walls, then I just have to plug them into the outside jack and not worry about snaking cat cables like I had to this year, up the wall, over the hallway, across the ceiling molding and down the wall to the RS486 adapters.  A royal pain in the butt, but only way I could do it without creating a trip hazard and keeping the cats from chewing on them.

Hopefully sometime next year in 2019 I'll get the front bedroom cleared out and turn it into my LOR/computer workroom and add the inside/outside cat cable plates and jacks and not have to do this again next year!

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change cab;es to cables

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I have cut all the boots of my network cables. 

So much easier to remove and reduce damage to network connector on controllers.

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32 minutes ago, Orville said:

If they came in a longer size those would be perfect for the CCB100D and probably the CCC-II pixie controllers.  And yes, cat6 can be used the same as a cat5 cable.  My issue is I need those to be in a 25 foot, 50 foot, 75 foot and 100 foot lengths!   And I only saw 3', 5' and 10 foot.    Nothing longer, I searched and came up empty.  Would also be nice if both ends had right angle connectors on them. 

Just use an inline connector to get the length you want and then you can have 90's on both ends.

https://www.electriduct.com/Cat5E-Cat6-Inline-Couplers.html

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1 hour ago, Orville said:

Same boots on my rounded cables, they'll bend the same way, just NOT enough for the CCB100D Smart Pixel controllers.  So, yes, I'd still have to cut the boots off.  But flat cables would be much better since I have to currently run them under a door or window to get mine outside.  Fortunately my front door has somewhat of a gap under it, so it doesn't pinch the cables at all.

Plan on eventually putting in a pass through plate on the inside and outside of the walls, then I just have to plug them into the outside jack and not worry about snaking cat cables like I had to this year, up the wall, over the hallway, across the ceiling molding and down the wall to the RS486 adapters.  A royal pain in the butt, but only way I could do it without creating a trip hazard and keeping the cats from chewing on them.

Hopefully sometime next year in 2019 I'll get the front bedroom cleared out and turn it into my LOR/computer workroom and add the inside/outside cat cable plates and jacks and not have to do this again next year!

I found a spot on the bottom edges of my windowsills that was basically a quarter-inch of plastic with an air gap between them.  I drilled a hole on each side and ran cat6 through the winowframe.  On the inside, it's terminated with a cat5 jack (wife approved!), and on the outside the cable runs down and below the porch.  I may wind up terminating it with a jack as well and securing the cat6 in a more aesthetically pleasing manner once the season is over, but for now, it makes things quick and easy. 

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Those inline couplers and the 90 degree cat cable extender one with the jack on the end look promising. 

I just wonder how well they'd hold up under the wet, humid weather we have outdoors in Florida?

Especially since that's where they'd be and they be fully exposed to the Florida weather and full sun.  I don't have any overhangs or soffits on this manufactured home.   So wonder just how well those will actually hold up outside used in the elements, especially in Florida where we sometimes have some torrential rainstorms.  {It's why I prefer straight run full length cables, then I don't have to worry about something like these getting wet or causing connectivity issues.  So where I would have to use these is a definite concern.}

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1 hour ago, Orville said:

Those inline couplers and the 90 degree cat cable extender one with the jack on the end look promising. 

I just wonder how well they'd hold up under the wet, humid weather we have outdoors in Florida?

Especially since that's where they'd be and they be fully exposed to the Florida weather and full sun.  I don't have any overhangs or soffits on this manufactured home.   So wonder just how well those will actually hold up outside used in the elements, especially in Florida where we sometimes have some torrential rainstorms.  {It's why I prefer straight run full length cables, then I don't have to worry about something like these getting wet or causing connectivity issues.  So where I would have to use these is a definite concern.}

I'd think that the 90 degree extender and the normal cable plugged into it would be entirely inside the enclosure, no?    That's what I would do.  

 

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17 hours ago, jtomason said:

I'd think that the 90 degree extender and the normal cable plugged into it would be entirely inside the enclosure, no?    That's what I would do.  

 

The distance is a LOT shorter than the AC Controller Jacks, the Cat cable jacks in the RGB Controllers in the colored boxes are mounted on the side and 2 separate jacks, they are also closer to the entry/exit port holes, so I'm almost sure that extender cables end would be outside the box.  The way I run the cables the upper cable bends about 30 degrees or a little less maybe, then goes over the lower jack to exit or enter the box.  Usually have to put the bottom cable jack in first, then the upper one.   And they are a very short distance apart.  I've not measured it exactly, but a guess by sight I'd think maybe there is about 1-1/2" to possibly 2" between the back of the lower jack and the upper jack opening for the cat cable in the upper one.  AS they are mounted vertically, one above the other.  And I'd think from the upper jack to the exit/entry port is approximately 5" to maybe 6" {again, will have to measure}, but seeing that extender is 10" upward to the 90 degree connector, I'm almost certain the extender cable jack end will be dangling outside and just under the box by a few inches.

I'd go and measure one, but all controllers are outside at this time and it's raining, supposedly all day.  So will have to wait 'til it dries out and get some accurate measurements from that top connector to the exit/entry port, but I'm still pretty positive, the jack end is going to end up outside the box.   Maybe I can find a small box at the local surplus parts store and drill that out and seal the cat cable connections inside, but would make it really difficult to replace them if one goes bad.  So not sure if I want to do it that way.   Going to have to figure out something though.

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correct pinctuation and a couple of dyslexic spelling errors.

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1 hour ago, Orville said:

The distance is a LOT shorter than the AC Controller Jacks, the Cat cable jacks in the RGB Controllers in the colored boxes are mounted on the side and 2 separate jacks, they are also closer to the entry/exit port holes, so I'm almost sure that extender cables end would be outside the box.  The way I run the cables the upper cable bends about 30 degrees or a little less maybe, then goes over the lower jack to exit or enter the box.  Usually have to put the bottom cable jack in first, then the upper one.   And they are a very short distance apart.  I've not measured it exactly, but a guess by sight I'd think maybe there is about 1-1/2" to possibly 2" between the back of the lower jack and the upper jack opening for the cat cable in the upper one.  AS they are mounted vertically, one above the other.  And I'd think from the upper jack to the exit/entry port is approximately 5" to maybe 6" {again, will have to measure}, but seeing that extender is 10" upward to the 90 degree connector, I'm almost certain the extender cable jack end will be dangling outside and just under the box by a few inches.

I'd go and measure one, but all controllers are outside at this time and it's raining, supposedly all day.  So will have to wait 'til it dries out and get some accurate measurements from that top connector to the exit/entry port, but I'm still pretty positive, the jack end is going to end up outside the box.   Maybe I can find a small box at the local surplus parts store and drill that out and seal the cat cable connections inside, but would make it really difficult to replace them if one goes bad.  So not sure if I want to do it that way.   Going to have to figure out something though.

We had all that rain last night - cancelled the show.  Fortunately it didn't get severe as they thought it might.   

Heck, at this rate, it might be simpler for me to come over there and make you a CAT6 cable with the jacket not fully inserted so it can do 90 degrees right off the RJ-45 plug.  Secure it inside the case for strain relief and you should be good.   

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1 hour ago, jtomason said:

We had all that rain last night - cancelled the show.  Fortunately it didn't get severe as they thought it might.   

Heck, at this rate, it might be simpler for me to come over there and make you a CAT6 cable with the jacket not fully inserted so it can do 90 degrees right off the RJ-45 plug.  Secure it inside the case for strain relief and you should be good.   

Yes, I know, right? LOL   I'll eventually figure out something. 

I'm attempting to search the internet and see if I can find ready made flat cat cables with those 90 degree connectors on both ends, if not, then I'm going to suggest that implementation to some of the cat cable sites that sell them., especially LONGER length ones like 25, 50, 75  feet or longer!  I definitely see a need for them with the RGB controllers LOR sells.   Maybe LOR will be the first to start making them, would be a lot easier to just buy them from LOR if they had them, especially for their RGB Controllers already mounted in a box that come with the RGB Pixel lights. {HINT, HINT LOR}  Maybe if they find out enough people want flat cat cables with 90 degree connectors at each end, then maybe these cat cable suppliers {or LOR} will start selling them {providing none do that already}.  Still researching and searching to see if any such item exists somewhere.

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38 minutes ago, Orville said:

Yes, I know, right? LOL   I'll eventually figure out something. 

I'm attempting to search the internet and see if I can find ready made flat cat cables with those 90 degree connectors on both ends, if not, then I'm going to suggest that implementation to some of the cat cable sites that sell them., especially LONGER length ones like 25, 50, 75  feet or longer!  I definitely see a need for them with the RGB controllers LOR sells.   Maybe LOR will be the first to start making them, would be a lot easier to just buy them from LOR if they had them, especially for their RGB Controllers already mounted in a box that come with the RGB Pixel lights. {HINT, HINT LOR}  Maybe if they find out enough people want flat cat cables with 90 degree connectors at each end, then maybe these cat cable suppliers {or LOR} will start selling them {providing none do that already}.  Still researching and searching to see if any such item exists somewhere.

Short term, I'm actually thinking that a 6" cable that is jacketless at the connector (and can do 90 degrees) and ending in a normal RJ-45 plug (going into a coupler) would be a better idea.  Can you fit that in the enclosure, and just plug in a regular cable of whatever length would suit?   Maybe a picture of what you're working with would help. 

 

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2 hours ago, jtomason said:

Short term, I'm actually thinking that a 6" cable that is jacketless at the connector (and can do 90 degrees) and ending in a normal RJ-45 plug (going into a coupler) would be a better idea.  Can you fit that in the enclosure, and just plug in a regular cable of whatever length would suit?   Maybe a picture of what you're working with would help. 

 

This is similar but the jacks in mine are green and closer to the entry/exit ports next to the power cord.  Mine are version 1 and I think this is a Version 2 unit I was able to get a picture of from the LOR website.  I'll have to see if I can use my wifes phone to take an actual photo of mine {still raining here off and on, so still too wet to open one up to get the photo}.

But these jacks look a lot farther apart in this version than the version I have, my jacks are lower, green and look to be slightly closer together.

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