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Connecting P10 LED panels to LOR?

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That setup doesn't sound right.

The panel setup page is one of the exceptions to the rule of using a universe and start Channel. 

You would need to have all your universes defined with unique numbers and have them set up in both of the fpps then you would get your start Channel number from the e1.31 page in the fpp. 

With xlights this is easy because all you do is set up your network with xlights and then you can do an upload to your fpp and controllers to configure them to match.

This is where the zoom sessions work out really well because we can have you share your screen while walking you through things. 

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I fixed it, it wasn't right, I didn't realize till I went back into BBB FPP that all the universe were 1-12 on both BBB, I set .200 to 1-12 and .201 to 13-24 and it seems to be working

 

im definitely going to look into the zoom sessions and try and join

 

all in all, the stuff is awesome, so much fun

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wow, uploading directly to the BBB is amazing, choose all 200 IP, uploaded then 201 and uploaded and BBB is completely configured

 

LOR needs to catch up on that end, sorry LOR guys

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Still not right.

If we set it up in xlights then with just a couple clicks your fpp is would be set up for you with exact matching numbers.

In fpp your e1.31/Artnet page will have all of your universes defined for your whole Show Network then you use the fpp start Channel as the start Channel in the LED panels page. 

 

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2 minutes ago, brichi said:

wow, uploading directly to the BBB is amazing, choose all 200 IP, uploaded then 201 and uploaded and BBB is completely configured

 

LOR needs to catch up on that end, sorry LOR guys

You can do the same thing to set up non Lor controllers as well.

Just a couple of clicks and everything is configured and you know it's correct.

 

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yeah I uploaded all the info and then just went back to FPP .201 and left the universes all the same (169-335) but changed the address to 1,513,etc.... 

 

im going to screencast everything , maybe that will clear it up

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On 12/31/2017 at 10:25 AM, brichi said:

yeah I uploaded all the info and then just went back to FPP .201 and left the universes all the same (169-335) but changed the address to 1,513,etc

brichi,

Thanks very much for taking time to post your P10 experience here.  I've read through this thread, and it appears you have P10 panels that you now can control using LOR S4 or S5 software.  Is that correct? 

I use only LOR 4 (both PE and SS) to sequence all my lights (about 95% smart pixels), using  five E1.31 controllers (four of which are AlphaPix controllers).  Though I'm far from being an expert, I know how to set up E1.31 controllers and LOR to control my pixels (e.g., Network Preferences, SE, PE's preview design, Visualizer, SS).

Is your P10 panel assembly now just another prop in your S4/S5 sequences.  For example, did you set up your P10 prop in PE's preview design?  Did you set up your P10 prop in Visualizer for SS sequencing?  Both PE and Visualizer make adding a matrix prop pretty easy.  

How have you physically attached the P10s and BBB (and other req'd hardware?) to the E1.31 controller?  Off of a DMX port on the E1.31 controller?  Or, do you connect your P10 prop with a Cat 5 cable to the PC you use for your show?  These questions really expose how little I know about adding a P10 prop to my LOR show.  :-) 

I'm trying to understand how to include the P10 prop as just another prop in S4, so that I can then sequence it's addressable pixels just like I do for every other pixel prop.  That is, I don't want to run my planned P10 prop independent from my other pixels.

Hopefully, other PE and SS-only users will be helped from your solution.

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10 minutes ago, Ed K said:

How have you physically attached the P10s and BBB (and other req'd hardware?) to the E1.31 controller?  Off of a DMX port on the E1.31 controller?  Or, do you connect your P10 prop with a Cat 5 cable to the PC you use for your show?  These questions really expose how little I know about adding a P10 prop to my LOR show.  :-) 

The Beaglebone or Raspberry Pi connects to your E1.31 ethernet network (just like your Alphapix controllers).  It will have an IP address that is set in Network Preferences (assuming you are using Unicast for those universes - you should).

Reference several of your comments, the P10 panel is just another prop in the LOR software packages - it just has A LOT of pixels!

 

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Yes, Like k6ccc said, The P10 gets added as a DMX universe, each panel takes up 3 universes for a 16x32 pixel panel. The panels all plug into a BBB with an Octoscroller on it and they run the falcon player. In LOR you set the DMX universes to the IP address of the BBB so it communicates and then the rest is configuring it as a normal prop

 

issue is,  once i added my first 54 panel prop to LOR the program was unusable so I'm waiting to hear back from someone from LOR on when and if this can be fixed. Right now LOR cannot handle this many DMX universes, mine right now is 162 universes and i plan on doubling that with a second screen so when i add 324 universes LOR just dies so i have been using XLights to play with the panels since it runs perfectly BUT i need LOR being all my songs have been programmed in there and theres no way to switch to any other company right now unless i want to reprogram all my songs

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16 minutes ago, k6ccc said:

The Beaglebone or Raspberry Pi connects to your E1.31 ethernet network (just like your Alphapix controllers).  It will have an IP address that is set in Network Preferences (assuming you are using Unicast for those universes - you should).

Reference several of your comments, the P10 panel is just another prop in the LOR software packages - it just has A LOT of pixels!

Thanks for the quick reply.  Unicast-only guy here!!   

Given your response, a P10 prop is sounding more doable for me, because the E1.31 networking part of a pixel prop (e.g., P10 panels connected as a single matrix) is the part I understand.  I only want to build an 8 panel P10 prop for a message/Tune To sign, so 16 X 32 X 8 panels = 4,096 smart pixels.  That's only 25 universes:  4,096 pixels / 170 pixels per universe, rounded up.

If I use a Pi (ignoring the Pi learning curve for me, which is fine), you cleared up something key for me -- I can, and will need to, assign a unique IP address to the Pi.  

To clarify for me:  In LOR S4 Network Preferences, I must identify every universe that I want to assign to the Pi's unique IP address (e.g., my planned P10 prop will require 25 universes).  Correct?

If I properly configure the Pi (big assumption for me), is the Pi the only substantive equipment I need between my PC's Ethernet port (ok, via a network switch) and the first P10 panel?   

I know I also need some supplies, such as: a power supply for the Pi, a power supply for the P10 panels, wires/ribbon to connect the first P10 panel to the PI's GPIO connector, a ribbon between each panel, etc.

 

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8 minutes ago, Ed K said:

Thanks for the quick reply.  Unicast-only guy here!!   

Given your response, a P10 prop is sounding more doable for me, because the E1.31 networking part of a pixel prop (e.g., P10 panels connected as a single matrix) is the part I understand.  I only want to build an 8 panel P10 prop for a message/Tune To sign, so 16 X 32 X 8 panels = 4,096 smart pixels.  That's only 25 universes:  4,096 pixels / 170 pixels per universe, rounded up.

If I use a Pi (ignoring the Pi learning curve for me, which is fine), you cleared up something key for me -- I can, and will need to, assign a unique IP address to the Pi.  

To clarify for me:  In LOR S4 Network Preferences, I must identify every universe that I want to assign to the Pi's unique IP address (e.g., my planned P10 prop will require 25 universes).  Correct?

If I properly configure the Pi (big assumption for me), is the Pi the only substantive equipment I need between my PC's Ethernet port (ok, via a network switch) and the first P10 panel?   

I know I also need some supplies, such as: a power supply for the Pi, a power supply for the P10 panels, wires/ribbon to connect the first P10 panel to the PI's GPIO connector, a ribbon between each panel, etc.

 

the Pi and the panels can use the same power supply, just make sure it's a 5volt.  I am running 32 panels off of one power supply.  There really is no Pi learning curve, insert SD card with Falcon Player loaded, insert thumb drive, plug in.   You should have no reason to get to the OS level of the product.  All configuring done from a web browser.

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6 minutes ago, brichi said:

Yes, Like k6ccc said, The P10 gets added as a DMX universe, each panel takes up 3 universes for a 16x32 pixel panel. The panels all plug into a BBB with an Octoscroller on it and they run the falcon player. In LOR you set the DMX universes to the IP address of the BBB so it communicates and then the rest is configuring it as a normal prop

Thanks, this really helps me.  I feel more confident now, given your confirmation that I need to assign a unique IP address to the BBB (or, to a Pi, which is what I want to use) .  The BBB (or Pi) can be configured as a device for interpreting DMX signals sent to it from LOR S4, through it's Ethernet port, and getting that data to the smart pixels.

From what k6ccc said, I understand I can use a Pi, instead of the BBB/Octoscroller combo, to drive the pixels on a P10 prop.  

I've learned through this thread, and your posts, that I need to get FPP loaded onto the Pi, for this to work. 

Also, if I use the Pi, do I still need the Octoscroller?  I think the O is unique for the BBB, correct?

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16 minutes ago, brichi said:

Yes, Like k6ccc said, The P10 gets added as a DMX universe, each panel takes up 3 universes for a 16x32 pixel panel. The panels all plug into a BBB with an Octoscroller on it and they run the falcon player. In LOR you set the DMX universes to the IP address of the BBB so it communicates and then the rest is configuring it as a normal prop

 

issue is,  once i added my first 54 panel prop to LOR the program was unusable so I'm waiting to hear back from someone from LOR on when and if this can be fixed. Right now LOR cannot handle this many DMX universes, mine right now is 162 universes and i plan on doubling that with a second screen so when i add 324 universes LOR just dies so i have been using XLights to play with the panels since it runs perfectly BUT i need LOR being all my songs have been programmed in there and theres no way to switch to any other company right now unless i want to reprogram all my songs

you don't have to reprogram my friend, setup a map and import.  Only issue I ran into is import RGB components from an LMS file creates a huge xLights file and takes a while to render.  I import my AC components (import is fast) and then import the SUP file for the RGB components (again fast).   Then I use xLights for the new components.

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3 minutes ago, Ed K said:

Thanks, this really helps me.  I feel more confident now, given your confirmation that I need to assign a unique IP address to the BBB (or, to a Pi, which is what I want to use) .  The BBB (or Pi) can be configured as a device for interpreting DMX signals sent to it from LOR S4, through it's Ethernet port, and getting that data to the smart pixels.

From what k6ccc said, I understand I can use a Pi, instead of the BBB/Octoscroller combo, to drive the pixels on a P10 prop.  

I've learned through this thread, and your posts, that I need to get FPP loaded onto the Pi, for this to work. 

Also, if I use the Pi, do I still need the Octoscroller?  I think the O is unique for the BBB, correct?

Pi + PiHat = 36 panels or less.

BBB + Octoscroller = up to 96 panels.

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2 minutes ago, caniac said:

the Pi and the panels can use the same power supply, just make sure it's a 5volt.  I am running 32 panels off of one power supply.  There really is no Pi learning curve, insert SD card with Falcon Player loaded, insert thumb drive, plug in.   You should have no reason to get to the OS level of the product.  All configuring done from a web browser.

Excellent coaching, caniac, thanks!  How I setup the SD card and thumb drive is info I can get from some related threads, including from Falcon's website, from what I understand.

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Just now, Ed K said:

Excellent coaching, caniac, thanks!  How I setup the SD card and thumb drive is info I can get from some related threads, including from Falcon's website, from what I understand.

that is correct, you will need to download a SD Formatter (free/shareware) and unzip the FPP image to it.  When you boot it up it takes care of the rest.

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1 minute ago, caniac said:

Pi + PiHat = 36 panels or less.

BBB + Octoscroller = up to 96 panels.

Ahh, got it, thanks very much.   Short memory on my part  - this was info that was in one of the prior 6 pages of this thread, probably from you.  

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5 minutes ago, caniac said:

Pi + PiHat = 36 panels or less.

BBB + Octoscroller = up to 96 panels.

LOL, I just noticed another detail in your reply, caniac.  I ALSO must get and attach a PiHat - is that correct?  Again, I am completely new to Pi, FPP, and P10 sequencing.  I will have only eight panels.

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2 minutes ago, brichi said:

 According to the the xlights guys I can’t convert S5 files over so I’m screwed    

do you have them as S4?

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24 minutes ago, Ed K said:

LOL, I just noticed another detail in your reply, caniac.  I ALSO must get and attach a PiHat - is that correct?  Again, I am completely new to Pi, FPP, and P10 sequencing.  I will have only eight panels.

https://www.crockettfantasyoflights.com/

PiHat sits on top of the 20pin connector on the Pi, you will power it all thru the PiHat.  You don't really sequence the P10 but send E1.31 data to it or images.

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19 minutes ago, caniac said:

PiHat sits on top of the 20pin connector on the Pi, you will power it all thru the PiHat.  You don't really sequence the P10 but send E1.31 data to it or images.

Thanks again. 

Path of DMX data over E1.31:

   My dedicated show PC's Ethernet port ------> Cat 5 cable   -------->  PiHat's RJ45 port (PiHat sits on top of a FPP-loaded Pi)  --------> PiHat SPI port ------->  pixel string

Does this look correct?

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19 minutes ago, brichi said:

No. All done in S5  

so no previous S4 to pull from?  One of the things I noticed on S5 or one of the "chief complaints" was that you can't go back to S4 afterwards.  I never went S5 for that very reason plus with Halloween and Christmas approaching I didn't want to trust my show to "beta" software.  They still don't have a production version of it which I find a bit concerning.

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