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13 hours ago, Say watt?? said:

I think the real argument here is whether someone is asking for a shared sequence because they legitimately need help, for whatever reason, or if they are just being lazy and unwilling to make an attempt.

I do think the same. I started 3 years ago and I did not have the time to sequence. I quickly found that it was difficult for me to make shared sequences look good. I decided to spend 1 to 1 1/2  hours every morning before everyone else in the house gets up to learn and program my own sequences. I find that it makes things easier with a plan and stick to it. I don't post videos much anymore on these forums because every time I do I get private messages from people asking for my sequence. It gets old. I don't mind helping people out, but they have to make an effort on their part too. I have seen one individual on here that has asked for the same sequence for the last 4 months. He was sent it by someone but he apparently does not like what he got because he is always asking for it but not from the individual that sent him the first one. This person has had enough time to learn and sequence it himself. I think that those who share a lot on here are doing a great job. To new people to this hobby,  It does required some effort on your part to make things happen.

Tom

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13 hours ago, Say watt?? said:

I think the real argument here is whether someone is asking for a shared sequence because they legitimately need help, for whatever reason, or if they are just being lazy and unwilling to make an attempt.

That's being a bit harsh don't you think?  I have done my share of borrowing but have also shared far more than I have borrowed.  When I borrow a sequence it is because there are parts of it I want to see how were done.  There have been times I have taken an effect I really liked (how someone handled a mega tree or their mini trees) then made it the core of mine and worked my props around that.  That is neither lazy or unwilling to make an attempt but more giving props to the original sequencer.  You need to be careful when you classify someone as lazy, every case is different so you need to do the research.

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20 minutes ago, TBS99 said:

I do think the same. I started 3 years ago and I did not have the time to sequence. I quickly found that it was difficult for me to make shared sequences look good. I decided to spend 1 to 1 1/2  hours every morning before everyone else in the house gets up to learn and program my own sequences. I find that it makes things easier with a plan and stick to it. I don't post videos much anymore on these forums because every time I do I get private messages from people asking for my sequence. It gets old. I don't mind helping people out, but they have to make an effort on their part too. I have seen one individual on here that has asked for the same sequence for the last 4 months. He was sent it by someone but he apparently does not like what he got because he is always asking for it but not from the individual that sent him the first one. This person has had enough time to learn and sequence it himself. I think that those who share a lot on here are doing a great job. To new people to this hobby,  It does required some effort on your part to make things happen.

Tom

Before posting negative comments about people try knowing the situation first.

Sure the wording is unusual that the poster uses, however he does not have bad intentions or dislike the sequence or the producer.

The person asking for the specific sequence you are referencing already has it from that person. (My great friend and fellow sharer of all he produces).

There is more than 1 version of the song, more than 1 version of the prop sequences.

Its really nobodies business why someone wants a sequence of any form or from any one person.

If it was a problem sharing sequences then maybe you should ask the forum admins to remove the “sequence sharing” section. 

Its simple people.

If you don’t like it then you don’t have to share or ask for a shared sequence. If you see a shared sequence you would like perhaps you just go spend the $ on a sequence from one of the “pros”.

LOR doesn’t seem to have a problem with sharing.

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17 minutes ago, dibblejr said:

Before posting negative comments about people try knowing the situation first.

I have tried to help this individual on several other forums.  I admire what you and James do on this forum to help people. I asked James 2 years ago I think for a copy of a sequence because I was learning and got stuck. . I greatly appreciated it. " I have no problem with the sequence sharing forum" . The problem I have is being sent several private messages when I post a video that people want my sequence. If I want to share it I will post it or I will send it to somebody on one of the forums that is looking.

 

27 minutes ago, dibblejr said:

If it was a problem sharing sequences then maybe you should ask the forum admins to remove the “sequence sharing” section.

Again I have no problem with the sequence sharing section.  I post links to that section on other forums when people ask for certain sequences and don't get a response. Keep up the good work Dibblejr and James  Morris , there is lots of people who do appreciate it.

Tom

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34 minutes ago, TBS99 said:

I have tried to help this individual on several other forums.  I admire what you and James do on this forum to help people. I asked James 2 years ago I think for a copy of a sequence because I was learning and got stuck. . I greatly appreciated it. " I have no problem with the sequence sharing forum" . The problem I have is being sent several private messages when I post a video that people want my sequence. If I want to share it I will post it or I will send it to somebody on one of the forums that is looking.

 

Again I have no problem with the sequence sharing section.  I post links to that section on other forums when people ask for certain sequences and don't get a response. Keep up the good work Dibblejr and James  Morris , there is lots of people who do appreciate it.

Tom

Tom- Thanks for the compliment. Trust me I understand your pov. As far as outline sequences other than James there may be less than 5 members I have asked for a sequence and I know each of them from memory. James sequences compliments my props and my singing faces. I also have either met in person, skype or over the phone each of them, well except for 75Redman who recently shared a work of art with me. I still haven't worked it into my show yet, I think it was a patriotic sequence so it will get there.

IMO this is just a fun hobby, that's why I do what I do. If I wanted to get paid, and I have had offers, that would take the fun away. I like helping people either singing faces or setting up their pixies etc. and when my local publisher asked me why I do what I do for the holidays my comment was and will always be the same "because I can and there are others who simply cant for various reasons" and I left it at that.

Its the same way in the forums. 

Happy Lighting and Merry Christmas everyone.

JR

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“Imitation is the sincerest form of flattery that mediocrity can pay to greatness.”

I guess that doesnt apply to sequencing and Christmas lights :)

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4 hours ago, caniac said:

That's being a bit harsh don't you think?  I have done my share of borrowing but have also shared far more than I have borrowed.  When I borrow a sequence it is because there are parts of it I want to see how were done.  There have been times I have taken an effect I really liked (how someone handled a mega tree or their mini trees) then made it the core of mine and worked my props around that.  That is neither lazy or unwilling to make an attempt but more giving props to the original sequencer.  You need to be careful when you classify someone as lazy, every case is different so you need to do the research.

You should reread the paragraph that you quoted me on. Your response reiterated my point about someone LEGITIMATELY needing help. I'm referring to someone who puts more effort into trying to get stuff handed to them than they do at working on it for themselves. This goes way beyond Christmas lights.

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You assume a lot about others.  When I  help  someone,   I don't  worry about  if they are doing the right thing.  I simply ask myself if I am.  Never would I consider myself in a position to assume someone else's situation.  I might appear "lazy" to some,  while I am working 10 hour days, 7 days a week, with 1 day off every 30.  This leaves me little free time, so I look for sequences to be able to make the display happen  this year.  Some may judge me as a "begger/parasite", because I have asked if someone had a sequence to share, instead of buying one for $49.  The truth is,  I injured my right hand, and can not use it at all, thus I am out of work, and $49 is a lot of money right now.  I can't worry about a few bad apples taking advantage of me.  Not going to taint me.  I help others because it is the right thing to do.  Can't worry about the other persons reasons.

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I personally am not assuming or accusing. The original poster made a statement about being original and the large amount of sharing requests recently. I'm simply adding my two cents. 

I don't need to know anything more about the people asking for sequences. If someone needs help they will get it here, I know this. I also know that the handout mentality is running rampant these days. 

I will be the first person to help someone truly in need, but I also don't need to be the knight in shining armor coming to the rescue.

Give a man a sequence, bring him holiday joy for a season. Teach a man to sequence, bring him holiday joy for a lifetime. 

Merry Christmas to you too Dibbles and to all!

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On 12/1/2017 at 2:22 PM, dougd said:

This year is my 12th year and I have yet to do my first original sequence. I have tried many times and a blank sequence just freaks me out, I don't have a clue. If i picture a song, all there is is darkness it seems. I can tell you this, my visitors could care less whether its original or not, if it was original work they would care because they wouldn't come back it would be so awful.

I like the diversity of using different peoples sequences, there are a lot of different techniques out there, not so much lately though.

Mostly these days I take the purchased pixel tree sequence in to SS and adapt all the rest of my props to it. It is about original as I can get.

I'm in my 10th year and I've written two sequences myself and hated it. LOL. I am totally with you on what you wrote!

I am so thankful Richard Holdman shared ALL of his sequences the first three or four years he did his lights at his old house. He was also cool enough to make tutorial videos on various parts of his display.

Between these two things, I felt confident enough to plan my display over the entire 2008 off-season. When the lights lit for the first time I was floored!

Without that sharing that went on, I doubt I would have jumped into this hobby. I am very, VERY thankful to everyone who has shared over the years. I am not artistic enough to sequence from a blank page. I have re-written almost entire sequences but to start from nothing? I just can't do it.

What's more is I try to capture other people's displays in ours. I love some of the displays I've seen over the years and it's awesome to capture a little touch of them. Whether it be with a lighting effect, or using an actual song... I totally know who I'm "copying" and it brings a smile to my face.

Nobody, I mean nobody that watches our display knows where I've borrowed things from. And I doubt they'd care either since we have almost no animated displays around us. People just like to watch dancing Christmas lights and that's what I like too so I do this crazy display.

All thanks to people sharing. So thank you sharers. You make it possible for us non-creative folks to appear creative. :D

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Yeah I still use some Holdman sequences in my display, I have a few "Fantasy Lights" sequences, Sill use some "Lights for Riley" , "Wilton Lights", "Tauton Tales", Jade and a few others. Each had a unique look to them. Christmas Lights by Coldplay that Jade shared with me back in 2010 is still one of my favorite sequences.

Like Jeff said,

All thanks to people sharing. So thank you sharers. You make it possible for us non-creative folks to appear creative.

BTW, you helped me collect $3,500 last year for a local charity that helps out family's in need, they thank you too.

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On 12/8/2017 at 11:52 AM, JeffF said:

I'm in my 10th year and I've written two sequences myself and hated it. LOL. I am totally with you on what you wrote!

I am so thankful Richard Holdman shared ALL of his sequences the first three or four years he did his lights at his old house. He was also cool enough to make tutorial videos on various parts of his display.

Between these two things, I felt confident enough to plan my display over the entire 2008 off-season. When the lights lit for the first time I was floored!

Without that sharing that went on, I doubt I would have jumped into this hobby. I am very, VERY thankful to everyone who has shared over the years. I am not artistic enough to sequence from a blank page. I have re-written almost entire sequences but to start from nothing? I just can't do it.

What's more is I try to capture other people's displays in ours. I love some of the displays I've seen over the years and it's awesome to capture a little touch of them. Whether it be with a lighting effect, or using an actual song... I totally know who I'm "copying" and it brings a smile to my face.

Nobody, I mean nobody that watches our display knows where I've borrowed things from. And I doubt they'd care either since we have almost no animated displays around us. People just like to watch dancing Christmas lights and that's what I like too so I do this crazy display.

All thanks to people sharing. So thank you sharers. You make it possible for us non-creative folks to appear creative. :D

I have built my display using Holdman as the sample.  I always loved the simplicity of the three colors he used.  I never knew that he shared his sequences and would love to see a few of his.

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38 minutes ago, caniac said:

where do I find the audio for some of those?

Richard might be the one to ask, but I did find some audio here : http://www.holdman.com/christmas/sequences/free/

There is some more in here if you look around. Lots of other good sequences too. http://www.landolights.com/main/component/option,com_remository/Itemid,54/func,select/id,17/orderby,6/

 

Tom

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I must confess that my first year, (last year)  I did get borrowed sequences from a few people, I was new and lost, and whatever I tried on my own just didn't work.  I was able to take those borrowed sequences and learn, learn, learn.  Proud to say that all of this years sequences are my own.  When we decided to add some new props for this year, I tried to get them to mesh with the borrowed stuff and it was taking forever to "patch" the stuff in.  I ended up in February just wiping everything and starting the same songs from scratch. Worked all year on them.  Are they perfect?  Oh hell no, but they are all mine and my wife is proud.  I will however, be eternally grateful to those who shared, as I would still be struggling if I had to figure this out on my own...

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