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2 hours ago, Ebuechner said:

I find some of the sequences out there that are being shared are pretty bad. And I've seen peoples displays who use nothing but shared sequences and they're cut and spliced in so badly you can't even tell if it's going with the music. 

I agree completely.  Seems to me it takes just as long to sequence your own lights according to your own display layout than it does to copy/paste from a display that really has nothing (or very little) in common with yours.

 

2 hours ago, Ebuechner said:

And here's a hint, not all the lights have to be flashing all the time to every song, one of the most powerful things that you may have at your disposal is periods of Darkness. 

Ironically, LOR disagrees with you.  I did a bit of sequencing for them and for 16-channel sequences they want all 16 channels involved for the entire song.  I made the mistake of using darkness (like I would sequencing my own display or any of my clients) for about 20 seconds in one of their 4 groups of 4, and the sequence was returned to me for "completion" of the spot I "missed". 

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You guys are correct is saying that sequencing is an "ART" form. You also need some musical talent. I have neither one. :(. My wife is the artistic one however computers aren't her thing at all. I have never claimed that the sequences are mine. I did the set up and lay out. I did plan that part.  

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1 hour ago, HVACR said:

You guys are correct is saying that sequencing is an "ART" form. You also need some musical talent. I have neither one. :(. My wife is the artistic one however computers aren't her thing at all. I have never claimed that the sequences are mine. I did the set up and lay out. I did plan that part.  

You sound as though you've given up before you've even tried.

You're going to have to listen to the song at least a thousand times pick out what you can of the different instruments and Tempo changes and any other variation that you can take advantage of with the lights. Now close your eyes while you're listening to the song and picking out these different items and decide what part of your display that may sound like. Like a hi-hat cymbal crash equaling twinkling on a bunch of stars. And make the lights look like how you interpret the music. 

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8 minutes ago, Ebuechner said:

You sound as though you've given up before you've even tried.

You're going to have to listen to the song at least a thousand times pick out what you can of the different instruments and Tempo changes and any other variation that you can take advantage of with the lights. Now close your eyes while you're listening to the song and picking out these different items and decide what part of your display that may sound like. Like a hi-hat cymbal crash equaling twinkling on a bunch of stars. And make the lights look like how you interpret the music. 

Well said Ebuechner

May I add, HVACR if you use a nice headset and close your eyes and concentrate on a particular beat or instrument you can tune everything else out. That is how I sequence singing faces that have a lot of multiple parts like a mashup or queen and groups like them. Once you feel the rhythm start at least putting a tick in the sequence. You can always come back and add to the tick marks for longer notes ect.

JR

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2 hours ago, HVACR said:

You also need some musical talent.

Really?  The only musical talent I have is being able to tap my toe to songs I like.  Seriously... And I'm rarely spot on with even that.  The only thing I learned in a year of music class in high school was what a palindrome is.  (The music teacher's last name was Reber.)

But what I DO have is LOR's Beat Wizard.  I've used it on every song I've ever sequenced.

And quite frankly, some of the most unwatchable sequences I've ever tried to watch were authored by music experts.  So many of them insist on turning specific lights on every time a particular instrument is played and/or every time a particular note is heard.  I know not how that looks to other music majors, but to most ordinary people it very quickly starts looking like visual gibberish.

Stay away from most slow songs, avoid fixed timing grids, work with the beat and other notable features of the song and you'll do quite well.  Don't believe me?  Check any of my videos.

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49 minutes ago, George Simmons said:

Really?  The only musical talent I have is being able to tap my toe to songs I like.  Seriously... And I'm rarely spot on with even that.  The only thing I learned in a year of music class in high school was what a palindrome is.  (The music teacher's last name was Reber.)

But what I DO have is LOR's Beat Wizard.  I've used it on every song I've ever sequenced.

And quite frankly, some of the most unwatchable sequences I've ever tried to watch were authored by music experts.  So many of them insist on turning specific lights on every time a particular instrument is played and/or every time a particular note is heard.  I know not how that looks to other music majors, but to most ordinary people it very quickly starts looking like visual gibberish.

Stay away from most slow songs, avoid fixed timing grids, work with the beat and other notable features of the song and you'll do quite well.  Don't believe me?  Check any of my videos.

Probably for another thread, but why?

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1 hour ago, namecipS said:

Probably for another thread, but why?

My advice is for newbies and/or music morons like me based on personal experience.  Other than MIDI or computer-generated music, I've never known a song where the beats line up precisely with any timed grid.  Timed grids make it a huge challenge, for instance, to match a sweep of a seven segment arch or a nine segment pole precisely and evenly to a single beat, or even within 2 beats.  Timing grids generated by the Beat Wizard make it a snap.  LOR S1 was the only option when I first got started.  All it had was timed grids.  I was working on Wizards for over a month and had about a minute done, and quite poorly at that.  Then S2 came out and gave birth to the Beat Wizard.  I re-did my first minute and then finished the song easily, and quite well, in less than 3 evenings.  

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5 hours ago, HVACR said:

You guys are correct is saying that sequencing is an "ART" form. You also need some musical talent. I have neither one. :(. My wife is the artistic one however computers aren't her thing at all. I have never claimed that the sequences are mine. I did the set up and lay out. I did plan that part.  

I wouldn't so much call it an art form or requiring "talent" but you definitely have to like the song you are using and be able to pickup  the nuances in the song in order to decide what effect to use.  There is a sense of accomplishment IMO when you do it yourself utilizing your props/models.  That being said there is nothing wrong with those that profit from their work, free diminishes the effort most of us put in to this hobby.

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I won't sit here and say that all of my sequences are 100% mine (I have done a few from scratch but unlike George I use the tapper) but what I usually do is look at a sequence I like and start with and effect someone has down that I consider a "wow" (and have a prop/model I want to use it on).  I then "wrap" the rest of my effects around that.  I do have some songs with little to no effects, case in point most of the Pentatonix stuff I have.  Because it is A Capella not really anything needed but singing faces.

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All of my sequences since I started (last year) have been original. 

Buying or using shared sequences will yield a thousand shows that all look identical. I am also noticing that most pixel displays I have seen use the standard effects and while that may be viable here or there, watching a 5 minute song programmed with nothing but default PE effects gets a little boring at least to me.

This year I have a new show element that consists of 44 4ft tall firesticks each with 50 pixels. The idea is to create a "forest" of leaping light. Now if I had just sat down and loaded in someone else's sequence I wouldn't be taking advantage of the opportunity for unique effects/phrasing that those props allow.

One major component that is missing from a lot of displays I watch is phrasing. A song has a natural flow. When you sit down in the music studio you don't think of every instrument as a different component. All of it flows together to create a cohesive sound. When you piece out every individual instrument in a song you end up with something that may objectively match the song, but that doesn't have the soul of the song. That soul/passion is what makes a piece of music sound good to us.

One more note I have to add is on song choice. I probably have a different take on this than most, but song choice to me is the atmosphere that you set with a display. This year I set out to produce a very stirring and evocative performance and as such I have chosen opera pieces such as "O Mio Babbino Caro" and Placido Domingo's "O Holy Night." There is no way that preset patterns or shared sequences can capture the majesty and emotion of these compositions. There is a level of grace and depth that you can't just flash lights on and off to. 

I completely understand that some have time constraints or are not too musically minded, but if there is any way at all that you can create custom sequences the rewards are bountiful and there's a real sense of accomplishment knowing that you've created art rather than just flashing lights.

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My very first year I used one altered sequence to to get me started (..2012?).  Since then though everything has been original.

I'm as lazy as the next guy (and I'm sure I'll get a ton of blowback) but I honestly think much of the sequencing out there is hot garbage.  Don't even get me started on purchased/shared pixel tree sequences.  I've started using pixels this year and I've decided to forgo the pixel editor as I can't stand seeing the same 5-10 effects I see on every other display.

Like George said, the beat wizard is the #1 tool in the toolbox.  If you can figure out the beat wizard you're more than 50% of the way there. 

 

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6 minutes ago, jrock_at_rons said:

I've started using pixels this year and I've decided to forgo the pixel editor as I can't stand seeing the same 5-10 effects I see on every other display.

AMEN!

The only original pixel sequencing I've seen in years, for either trees or billboards, is by Frank Picozzi in Warwick, RI.

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On 10/28/2017 at 9:39 PM, 75redman said:

Does anyone make there own sequences anymore? :D:D:P:P

 I make all my own sequences! :D

--and--

Call me stingy, but I don't do sequence sharing either. I feel like if you want this light show you should have to put ALL the work into it. Not just some of it! Want the lights? Program the lights! 

I agree with others Sequencing is an "Art"... and to be good at an art you need to do it over, and over, and over. Eventually you will get better and better at it, and every time you try something you learn something new. Maybe it's just me but I see buying sequences as the "easy way out." 

Anywho, that's just my two cents worth!! I have always made all of my own sequences, and I always will. It makes me really appreciate this hobby even more, and EVERYONE I have talked to about our light show has commented on how "perfectly everything is synchronized!" Probably the best compliment they could give me! :) 

 

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I also make all my own sequences! 

--and--

I don't do sequence sharing either.

Program your own the lights, makes you feel good to see your own ORIGINAL show!

 

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Except for people I know very well and for a very long time, add me to the no-sharing list.  Got all sorts of war stories from back when I DID share.

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On 10/28/2017 at 10:38 PM, k6ccc said:

Not much.  For most of mine, I purchased the pixel tree, and then I sequenced the other 4,000 or so channels for the rest of the yard.

 

This is what i do.

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2 hours ago, George Simmons said:

Except for people I know very well and for a very long time, add me to the no-sharing list.  Got all sorts of war stories from back when I DID share.

Seriously, I've never known you to butt heads with anyone.:blink:

 

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57 minutes ago, Ebuechner said:

Seriously, I've never known you to butt heads with anyone.:blink:

 

:lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol:

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This is my first year programming and setting up my show. I have 32 channels including a singing gingerbread woman. The mouth movements and eyes are all programmed by me and it feels amazing to be able to match the lip movements with the words and allow her to come "alive"...

On a side note, all the free sequences I have come across are mostly garbage. The only good ones I have seen are from Mr. James Morris. However, I do enjoy seeing how other people program. Everyone is so different. This hobby really is an art... 

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I used to build my own with 32 channel is wasn't bad but very time consuming.

Work laid off all of my co-workers so I have to pick up the slack. Time is a commodity I can't waste.

So I have been begging forum member for sequences. It still takes a lot of time to populate the graph when you have 25 controllers.

Not all of us are retired or have 40 hour per week jobs.

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2 hours ago, MikeERWNC said:

I used to build my own with 32 channel is wasn't bad but very time consuming.

Work laid off all of my co-workers so I have to pick up the slack. Time is a commodity I can't waste.

So I have been begging forum member for sequences. It still takes a lot of time to populate the graph when you have 25 controllers.

Not all of us are retired or have 40 hour per week jobs.

Not all of us are retired or have 40 hour a week jobs, I frequently put in 50+ hours as does my wife, have also worked thru a triple bypass, two stents, and various other surgeries.  Still get a lot of joy out of doing my own sequencing though I do use pieces and parts of others sequences.  No two shows are alike.

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Some people do puzzles to relax. 

I do sequences. 

I have my computer setup in the basement with dual monitors good speakers and a set of noise cancelling headphones. I sit back put my feet up relax and poke at it until it's done. 

I often jump back and forth between sequences so I don't get hyper focused on any one sequence. I find if you try to complete a sequence from beginning to end without any breaks you'll end up with a forehead shaped dent in front of your keyboard. 

 

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7 hours ago, caniac said:

Not all of us are retired or have 40 hour a week jobs, I frequently put in 50+ hours as does my wife, have also worked thru a triple bypass, two stents, and various other surgeries.  Still get a lot of joy out of doing my own sequencing though I do use pieces and parts of others sequences.  No two shows are alike.

I am the guy who builds the technology which found your blow out, did the measurements so your stent vendor could build the proper sized stent and shown the endo-vascular/ cardio-vascular surgeon the proper placement of the stent.

Sometimes your health and well-fare are more important than me doing sequencing... Glad you are still alive. Put down the cheeseburger!

Small world. Eleven years ago I worked for the original company which founded CHI the healthcare company which owns Good Sam in your neighborhood.

I have a few servers in both Good Sam and Kearny Regional.

 

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18 minutes ago, MikeERWNC said:

I am the guy who builds the technology which found your blow out, did the measurements so your stent vendor could build the proper sized stent and shown the endo-vascular/ cardio-vascular surgeon the proper placement of the stent.

Sometimes your health and well-fare are more important than me doing sequencing... Glad you are still alive. Put down the cheeseburger!

Small world. Eleven years ago I worked for the original company which founded CHI the healthcare company which owns Good Sam in your neighborhood.

I have a few servers in both Good Sam and Kearny Regional.

 

Let's not go pounding our chest Junior!  Do you homework before making your comments, had you done your research you would have know that CHI has a horrible reputation in this area for not only healthcare but also cardiac care.  Kearney Regional is to new to rate IMO.  I am not from Nebraska and have only been here five years, in that time I have learned that CHI and the doctors here in general do not practice preventive medicine.  Had I had my issues here I would have been six feet under.  I am from NC and a little town called Raleigh, you may have heard of it.  My issues were resolved at WakeMed and are a result of top notch doctors.

Again do your research, the cheeseburger comment was uncalled for and unwarranted.  If you had done your research you would have found out my family has a history of heart disease!!  Do the work, don't make wild guesses about folks.  It won't help your conquest for free sequences.

Again if you had done the research you would have found out I had configured and installed some of the first file servers used in hospitals (1986).

Before you go beating on your chest touting your greatness, do the legwork.  It will get your farther in life.

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3 hours ago, MikeERWNC said:

I am the guy who builds the technology which found your blow out, did the measurements so your stent vendor could build the proper sized stent and shown the endo-vascular/ cardio-vascular surgeon the proper placement of the stent.

Sometimes your health and well-fare are more important than me doing sequencing... Glad you are still alive. Put down the cheeseburger!

Small world. Eleven years ago I worked for the original company which founded CHI the healthcare company which owns Good Sam in your neighborhood.

I have a few servers in both Good Sam and Kearny Regional.

 

It’s not all about “cheeseburgers” both of my MI’s occurred while I was at the peak of best physical condition in my life while serving in the Army. 

Unless you are the Cardiovascular surgeon or specialist you are not qualified enough to give medical advice. 

I am not a fan of the “cheeseburger”. 

JR

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