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You see all over the internet a copy of Carson's light show. Lots of other people have used the same song and some have used the same sequence. They all look the same right left right left right left spread out repeat. I am challenging everyone to come up with some other animation for that song. I think we are turrining into copy-cats! I personaly will not use that song because I am reading that it is Carson's song! So my point is Lets try to keep stuff fresh this year and create new sequences!




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This is the downside of sharing sequences. Granted most of us will never have our lights sent all over the internet and then on National TV, but I still think it's more fun when we all choose our own music and sequence things our own way rather than just borrow from everyone else...

Just my opinion. I know it's unpopular with some here (Hi Steve :laughing:).

-Tim

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I used his grid,etc but I had to change it to use 32 channels so I had to rearrange it to get the beats and also so I could have my strobes come in where I wanted them to.

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Not a bad idea Daniel. How would you do it?

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Hey tim, nothing wrong with your opinion, but I have my own. As I have said I will share my sequences with anyone who likes them, and everyone is under the assumption that things will need to be changed. I take it I was singled out because I asked to share a few of yours a few seasons back, and you said you did not feel that you wanted to let your children out to others. lol sequences CAN help for the plain and simple fact of timing and such. I am the type of person if I have something you need, or would like I will share without a second thought. Guess that is the kind of person I am. Love opinions, everyone has one.

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I also do not have a problem with sharing. I used one from Marty this year, but they are not ready to roll out of the box. You need to work them into your display. If I remember correct, he tapped out the beats, but it was up to the user to add the channels needed, then rework the display setting to the beats.

Also- I think Darryl is planning on selling sequences this year of his website.

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I went by one house this year, (I won't say who) and when I looked at his display, I could tell you which PC member he borrowed from. Now, I don't have a problem with it, because 99.99% of the population isn't going to notice these things at all.

Just my two cents this morning.

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You see all over the internet a copy of Carson's light show. Lots of other people have used the same song and some have used the same sequence. They all look the same right left right left right left spread out repeat. I am challenging everyone to come up with some other animation for that song. I think we are turrining into copy-cats! I personaly will not use that song because I am reading that it is Carson's song! So my point is Lets try to keep stuff fresh this year and create new sequences!
--Daniel L

Hummmm, I don't know....

I mean really, how many versions are out there? (ok, maybe a lot) But are they all in the same neighborhood? Not in my neighborhood.

We as Planet Christmas members have seen the video or Carson's name a million times now (because of our hobby here) but that doesn't mean we shouldn't use the same song (which by the way, isn't Carson's song :smile:, and I know you know that). I bet we're the only ones that will remember it by the end of summer (I mean actually remember it). And actually, some might be calling it the "Miller Beer Song".

You can't blame the guy for picking out a very catchy tune and can't blame anyone else for sequencing the very same song (and I know your not blaming anyone for anything). It's a blast to listen to without a light show.

I WILL use that song as it STILL belongs to TSO. I've met your challenge I think :smile:. I don't have a mega tree or any yard decor. I have 8 pillars with spot lights in between and 8 windows along with upper & lower railing that I sequenced into that same song to just 32 channels. As Loftus001 said, any sequence is good for the timing that is already in place.

And lastly, I do have some fresh stuff I'm working on. We will see......

Just my thoughts.

Tom

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I wonder how many actaully are going to use the Carson version of Wizards of Winter because of request. He got some major notice this year. When I was out shopping this year getting all of my lights for next year I talked to a few people and told them I was going to a computerized display next year. And do you know what ever single one of them asked me, yep you know it "oh you mean like that show that was on the internet." This is where I really wish I had gotten it put up this year rather than next because you know alot of people are going to think I did it because I saw that show also. Well I wanted to use the stuff 2 seasons ago but the finances just weren't there yet for it. Ok well back to the point. I have a feeling I will be asked to do the Carsons WofW but I just wont. I will do my own things. I don't want my show to be an extension of someone elses. I have gotten ideas from others but wont copy there entire show or setup.

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I am new to this, so I downloaded the carson sequence. Since I am only using 32 channels I had to do some major changes to make it work. So, really all I used was the timing. I only have 10 trees where he had 21, so my sequence is really nothing to compare to carsons other than the music, which by the way I think has a great beat. I am now working on other songs from scratch and have found the hardest part is to get the timing down. Its a very slow process but I do a little at a time when I have the time to sit down and work on them. My play list will look like this:

Mad Russian Christmas-TSO
Away in a Manger-Anne Murray
Feliz Navidad-Jose Feliziano
Silent Night-Anne Murray
Wizards in Winter-TSO

James

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I am now working on other songs from scratch and have found the hardest part is to get the timing down. Its a very slow process but I do a little at a time when I have the time to sit down and work on them.

I will be a first timer and yes Carson's video/sequence brought me here. As a teacher, I don't mind sharing anything I have when it comes to my lesson plans so I don't mind sharing anything I have done with sequencing. Each to his own.:waycool:

Now, sequencing new songs is half the fun! I started with a short song (Hark! The Trumpets Carol Sing) and think I did a pretty good job with it. Now, I am moving on to a classic version of Jingle Bell Rock. I sequence a little at a time (32 channels is what I am planning on for this year if I can find the money) and hope to have a few songs ready for this Christmas. If anyone wants to use my stuff, I would be flattered! One thing that most of us have going for us is that very few people have seen this stuff live, and I know it has to be pretty awesome live and in person.

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BamaFlum wrote:

One thing that most of us have going for us is that very few people have seen this stuff live, and I know it has to be pretty awesome live and in person.

BamaFlum, You hit it right on the head.

Tom

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Steven Singleton Jr. wrote:

I take it I was singled out because I asked to share a few of yours a few seasons back, and you said you did not feel that you wanted to let your children out to others.

Nah, I singled you out because a) I like to pick on you :P and B) you've mentioned a few times that you promote sharing and think everyone should.

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I saw a video here (can't remember who, so I'm not picking on anyone) and it was obvious that not only did they use Carson's sequence, but they designed their whole display to be compatible with it. Every effect Carson did in his video (the pyramid trees, the "left-right" stuff, etc. was duplicated on that video, albeit with different elements.

I'm not saying this is good nor bad, but if I chose to use that song, I'd do something entirely different -- just because that's how I'd do it. Presently, though, I've shied away from music that isn't recognizable as Christmas music (although I try to find unique versions of the songs that aren't quite as mainstream as the standard Bing Crosby or Brenda Lee -- again not that there's anything wrong with using those...)

-Tim

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What do you mean?



--Daniel L

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Not a bad idea Daniel. How would you do it?


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OK this is good! I guess we are not doing all the same thing! Like tim said a couple people have done copies of Carson's sequence which is what I am avoiding. My goal is to make somthing diffrent and be reconized by it then to copy somthing and someone tell me "ohh I saw that on the internet!"





---Daniel L

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Bill Hoffman wrote:

I'm not sure who Carson is? :P

He used to do the Tonight show before Leno :laughing:.

-Tim

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Oh, I'm glad he has gotten the lighting bug. :P Now maybe Jay will show us some respect. :laughing:

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Let me see if i can explain myself with this one.I downloaded Carsons sequence and since Im still a newbie here,I used it as a learning tool.Basically I used it to learn how to do certain efects such as the spinning on the Mega tree and a few others.It was simply something that I could compare to something I had seen in the tape vs just the view display within LOR.

Now am I going to use the song next year?Yes I am.Am I going to lay out my yard exactly like Carsons?No im not.As a tribute to the video that brought me here and into this hobby,I may incoperate a few seconds of some of his more specific and noticable effects at certain parts,but mine has been for the most part completely redone.I guess an example of that is the C9 outline of the house at the peak of the song.

I dont think that theres anything wrong with it,as long as its not a blatent copy.Sharing ideas and sequences here can lead to great things as long as you put your own touch to it.I guess I can relate it to playing music,my band did a few cover songs,but we did them our way! :PB)

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Let me see if i can explain myself with this one.I downloaded Carsons sequence and since Im still a newbie here,I used it as a learning tool.Basically I used it to learn how to do certain efects such as the spinning on the Mega tree and a few others.It was simply something that I could compare to something I had seen in the tape vs just the view display within LOR.

Now am I going to use the song next year?Yes I am.Am I going to lay out my yard exactly like Carsons?No im not.As a tribute to the video that brought me here and into this hobby,I may incoperate a few seconds of some of his more specific and noticable effects at certain parts,but mine has been for the most part completely redone.I guess an example of that is the C9 outline of the house at the peak of the song.

I dont think that theres anything wrong with it,as long as its not a blatent copy.Sharing ideas and sequences here can lead to great things as long as you put your own touch to it.I guess I can relate it to playing music,my band did a few cover songs,but we did them our way! :PB)

Exactly. And to add, there will be other songs in everyones displays, not just the one tune, W.in.W. music/sequence. I can't imagine anyone having the exact same songs with the exact same sequences for the exact same displays.

I'll have some originals for sure :].

Tom

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I never said sharing is bad. I will give away all of my sequences if asked! But for me too many people that I have talked to are refering to wizards of wonder as being some crazy guy's light show.




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There are a number of opinions on this topic, here is mine.

I see absolutely nothing wrong with taking a freely shared sequence and using it verbatim. I even see nothing wrong with copying a persons exact layout so you can use that sequence channel by channel with absolutely no changes required!

To do so would be the utmost complement to the creator of the sequence. Light shows such as this are best seen in person so a show that was created by a person in Ohio could be seen live by people in Canada and Texas! As always, when you copy someone you should give them credit and not act as if it was your own creation.

Another reason to do this is the reduction of risk. If you are going to invest in this technology and want to be sure that you will have something to show for your investment then this approach guarantees success.

Now would I do this? No... I have a display already and I have my own vision of what I want to do with the lights. For two years I have had a number of TSO songs that I have wanted to sequence (Wizards is not one of them). I still have not taken the time to do those new songs (Mary reminds me constantly during the season that we need some new songs!). When I do finaly sequence those TSO songs I hope that they are at least 1/2 as good as they looked in my mind.

We are all different, we all have different expectations of our displays and of ourselves. As computerized lighting grows there will be a number of "standard songs" that will start to be part of many shows. These songs will be "standards" because people just like them, or someone does a fantastic job sequencing the song most likely a combination of both those things. But in any case these songs will be ones that fit comfortably with the application of lights. Wizards is one of them for now, others will follow.

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Daniel wrote:

What do you mean?



--Daniel L

EAB wrote:
Not a bad idea Daniel. How would you do it?



How would you synchronize TSO Daniel?

Well, I've been putting up a semi-elaborate display for years now, but nothing animated until this year. I will admit that in order to learn how to synchronize music, I downloaded Carson's animation and studied it. Of course, it's not really anything until you put it to music, so I downloaded the song as well from iTunes.

It gave me some good ideas. The way I feel about it is that Carson drew a line in the sand and challenged me to surpass it, figureitively speaking. With that in mind, I already knew how I wanted to re-structure my existing display, 8 stars, 8 snowflakes, a fog machine, laser, two snow machines, 18 mini trees, a 12 channel mega tree and so forth...

Did I borrow ideas from Carson? Not really. He only gave me ideas to what I would like to see in my display. The trouble is if you synch a show using WIW by TSO, you may use some of the same elements even though you're not borrowing them, if you know what I mean? ie: Everyone spins a mega tree, everyone chases mini trees, everyone lights up their roofline. So, is the challenge to come up with something more original than the norm? I'm going to do a WIW synch that's my style, not copied from Carson. JMHO.. :P

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