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Personally for me the only LOR products i will be using will be the S3 and the Super star. As many have said, their products are a bit on the high side of the price chain. I can build 4 controllers for the price of one LOR controller. As i have read what you guys with the large shows have said, it seems that LOR should stay with the S3 for guys like me, and make a commercial grade software for you. Sounds to me like some of you would be willing to pay say $300 for a software package that can control 20k plus channels.

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Three years ago when I started, I realized that LOR was a hardware company. The purpose of the software was to sell hardware.

That has not changed. And that's fine. With pixels, CCRs were there because not everyone can handle a pile of Chinese parts, solder, and shrink tube.

You keep asking LOR to become a software company. Probably not gonna happen.

MY question is... will Xlights give us a decent music sequencer, scheduler and show builder for LOR hardware that lots of people own?

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Beta version to address this discussed here.

I will have to check this out.. perhaps it might work.  I don't really want to exit LOR software, but I don't want to experience all the issues I keep reading about when I expand this year. 

 

Let's see what shakes from that thread..

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Personally for me the only LOR products i will be using will be the S3 and the Super star. As many have said, their products are a bit on the high side of the price chain. I can build 4 controllers for the price of one LOR controller. As i have read what you guys with the large shows have said, it seems that LOR should stay with the S3 for guys like me, and make a commercial grade software for you. Sounds to me like some of you would be willing to pay say $300 for a software package that can control 20k plus channels.

I already have almost twice that much in S3 and 40 CCR Superstar. I'm not really wanting to have to pay more. $540 ought to be as much as I have to spend.

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We will be making some major enhancements to the software this year that will provide enhanced support for the higher pixel counts. I do not have specifics available but it will be a significant change. I will be able to provide more specifics in a couple weeks. 

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We will be making some major enhancements to the software this year that will provide enhanced support for the higher pixel counts. I do not have specifics available but it will be a significant change. I will be able to provide more specifics in a couple weeks. 

Dan,

 

This is great news!   

 

With no specifics in mind... will whatever you have planned be available for general use in the next few months?  

 

Thanks,

 

Craig

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We will be making some major enhancements to the software this year that will provide enhanced support for the higher pixel counts. I do not have specifics available but it will be a significant change. I will be able to provide more specifics in a couple weeks. 

That's what I was hoping to hear. Thank you Dan Baldwin. Looking forward to the changes.

Whew! I feel better already.

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I am very excited.  the thought of going to a new program for me was very real and heaving to start over again was and is a very real choice i might have to make..... "BUT" my heart says wait and see, I am willing to learn anything but, I will wait to see what Dan and the light O Rama team has for us and what it is going to do for my needs. after all that Dan has done for me......you got it Dan, I will wait. I hope just not to long, Please 

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This is indeed great news.  I can limp along with the current version of S3 for one more season if necessary, but there would need to be some significant enhancements for me to proceed beyond that.  I can't wait to hear/see what's coming.

-Tim

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Personally for me the only LOR products i will be using will be the S3 and the Super star. As many have said, their products are a bit on the high side of the price chain. I can build 4 controllers for the price of one LOR controller. As i have read what you guys with the large shows have said, it seems that LOR should stay with the S3 for guys like me, and make a commercial grade software for you. Sounds to me like some of you would be willing to pay say $300 for a software package that can control 20k plus channels.

 

What boards are your using in the controllers you are building?  Renard?  Lynx?  You running DMX out of S3?

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We will be making some major enhancements to the software this year that will provide enhanced support for the higher pixel counts. I do not have specifics available but it will be a significant change. I will be able to provide more specifics in a couple weeks.

One question-will it be 64bit?

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I WOULD be excited if the statement didn't include "I do not have specifics available but it will be a significant change. I will be able to provide more specifics in a couple weeks. "    Seriously, how far along could they be in the process, if they don't even have some specifics to strive towards?  I'm not a programmer so I have ZERO idea how long an overhaul like this will take, but wouldn't be significant?  Tim...Sr. Software Engineer...perhaps you could speak to it?    I'm just a bit skeptical, I have 14 AC controllers, and added 2800 pixels last year and have another 2500 on their way.  I have already spent the max on LOR software and Superstar, so I too would hate to walk away from that investment,  but at the same time, all the headaches that have been listed above, I experienced, & I'd spend 400 bucks for Advil(or another software) to make them go away this year. I'm very much looking forward to Sir Dan's followup!

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LOR coped with my 15K channels last year, kinda.

 

This year I will have 20Kish channels. 

 

I shall wait for the specifics that I pray come in that "couple of weeks" time period.  My primary need is x64bit and increase LOR visualizer limit.  I'll be very happy with that :)  Sequencing that many channels takes a long time yes but thats my choice :)

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I hope the software enhancements go along with some new hardware - such as a configurable smart RGB controller that allows you to specify the string type - and communicates over the faster LOR network.  I am interested in this because I currently control my show using the G3MP3 controller.

 

For 2014 I will be using the ELOR with my E681 boards.  

 

Perhaps a faster LOR network too!  I am sure distance plays a factor with speed. 

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Titus:

I can already answer #4 for you.  It won't happen. The CPU hasn't got the horsepower to do dimming curves.  That came from LOR tech support. 

Oh well, I really didn't care about the curves, it's actually the feature where I can set a channel to ON/OFF only. 

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I WOULD be excited if the statement didn't include "I do not have specifics available but it will be a significant change. I will be able to provide more specifics in a couple weeks. "    Seriously, how far along could they be in the process, if they don't even have some specifics to strive towards?  I'm not a programmer so I have ZERO idea how long an overhaul like this will take, but wouldn't be significant?  Tim...Sr. Software Engineer...perhaps you could speak to it?    I'm just a bit skeptical, I have 14 AC controllers, and added 2800 pixels last year and have another 2500 on their way.  I have already spent the max on LOR software and Superstar, so I too would hate to walk away from that investment,  but at the same time, all the headaches that have been listed above, I experienced, & I'd spend 400 bucks for Advil(or another software) to make them go away this year. I'm very much looking forward to Sir Dan's followup!

Guys in ways, it is comments like this that drive Dan crazy. Look at this forum. Threads have a tendency to get out of hand and off subject very quickly. No matter what Dan says, someone on the forum will be willing to dissect it and interpret it anyway they want to. He is damned if he does/doesn't. In the past Dan has been crucified for making statements. I understand why he is gun shy.

I too agree, LOR needs to ride the tide and make changes. However, if you are not in the software industry you have little understanding of the complexities.

While I am frustrated with their software advances, LOR has attempted to keep it's current users compatible through the years. Backward compatibility is key to preserving a user base. Sure they could completely re-write a different tool and charge you for it. Then there would be squawking about how "they abandonded us". A company attempting to blend the best of, user data IP preservation, and advances in innovation, is a difficult and lengthy balancing act.

Nutcracker (and I am not picking on Sean) has no legacy to worry about. Even Madrix had problems from M2 to M3 compatibility.

What I am trying to say is, cut LOR a break. They keep quiet because it is the least of 2 evils. Give Dan a chance like Tim stated, to generate a proper response.

Safe to say, Dan is very keen on the currents of their customer base.

Sorry, I will get off my soapbox now

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Guys in ways, it is comments like this that drive Dan crazy. Look at this forum. Threads have a tendency to get out of hand and off subject very quickly. No matter what Dan says, someone on the forum will be willing to dissect it and interpret it anyway they want to. He is damned if he does/doesn't. In the past Dan has been crucified for making statements. I understand why he is gun shy.

I too agree, LOR needs to ride the tide and make changes. However, if you are not in the software industry you have little understanding of the complexities.

While I am frustrated with their software advances, LOR has attempted to keep it's current users compatible through the years. Backward compatibility is key to preserving a user base. Sure they could completely re-write a different tool and charge you for it. Then there would be squawking about how "they abandonded us". A company attempting to blend the best of, user data IP preservation, and advances in innovation, is a difficult and lengthy balancing act.

Nutcracker (and I am not picking on Sean) has no legacy to worry about. Even Madrix had problems from M2 to M3 compatibility.

What I am trying to say is, cut LOR a break. They keep quiet because it is the least of 2 evils. Give Dan a chance like Tim stated, to generate a proper response.

Safe to say, Dan is very keen on the currents of their customer base.

Sorry, I will get off my soapbox now

 

There is an old joke in the software/programming world:

 

Why was God able to create the world in seven days?

Because there was no installed base.

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Guys in ways, it is comments like this that drive Dan crazy. Look at this forum. Threads have a tendency to get out of hand and off subject very quickly. No matter what Dan says, someone on the forum will be willing to dissect it and interpret it anyway they want to. He is damned if he does/doesn't. In the past Dan has been crucified for making statements. I understand why he is gun shy.

I too agree, LOR needs to ride the tide and make changes. However, if you are not in the software industry you have little understanding of the complexities.

While I am frustrated with their software advances, LOR has attempted to keep it's current users compatible through the years. Backward compatibility is key to preserving a user base. Sure they could completely re-write a different tool and charge you for it. Then there would be squawking about how "they abandonded us". A company attempting to blend the best of, user data IP preservation, and advances in innovation, is a difficult and lengthy balancing act.

Nutcracker (and I am not picking on Sean) has no legacy to worry about. Even Madrix had problems from M2 to M3 compatibility.

What I am trying to say is, cut LOR a break. They keep quiet because it is the least of 2 evils. Give Dan a chance like Tim stated, to generate a proper response.

Safe to say, Dan is very keen on the currents of their customer base.

Sorry, I will get off my soapbox now

I kinda have to agree with you.  Dan was good enough to answer one of my questions ( since I am the OP)..Which nobody thought he would... 

Since he didn't answer the second for what ever reason, (he may not know) I re-asked it as follows:

 

"This is great news!   

With no specifics in mind... will whatever you have planned be available for general use in the next few months? "

 

I specifically didn't want to corner Dan or put him on the spot.. just wanted to know if I personally will be able to keep with S3 or not due to my display enlargement..   

As the OP I am satisfied with the 1st answer.  I would like to know the 2nd answer however.  Time frame will have a lot to do with this years display.  Other than that, I applaud the answer we have so far. 

 

Please guys.. lets just wait and see what Dan has to say, if anything about the upcoming time frame. 

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Where did you get that date from?  What does it mean...  I know he said more specifics in a couple of weeks, but I would not count on finish software even for beta by then.. but is so.. whoo hooo

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Where did you get that date from?  What does it mean...  I know he said more specifics in a couple of weeks, but I would not count on finish software even for beta by then.. but is so.. whoo hooo

Just a guess, but its 2 weeks from today, which is what Dan had eluded to today on his post...just a guess though.

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Is this like your post from Dec 28,  2012 at 0141 hrs???

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He said couple of weeks.

 

Two week is 2/13/2014

 

Hope to hear some more news.

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I think since Dan has made a statement to us, Dan won't say anything more until its time for the next step, then and only then will we here form him. His small statement to us lets us all know hes on the job! and going to fix this. he knows its time and they can't wait any longer, and i kind of think this is not something that came up today . I'm sure he's thinking of whats best for everyone and what will make the program ready for the new world of pixels and what ever comes next. We all have a lot on the line here but think about it, Dan has the most on the line and the most to lose here, its hes name and reputation and fantastic company, trust me he knows what needs to be done.after thinking about it more we should all give him the time he needs to get it done right, I don;t think anyone saw this coming I mean for example I was not even considering pixels until i saw them in TN at the show, now my show this season will have over or close to 2k plus in it and thats in less then a seasons time. so I think it took us all by surprise maybe not to the big boys and the teck people but to the everyday Christmas guy.....Me, we all see now pixel will be the way of the future. just like we thought led was. I am sure Dan has been putting ideas to work on  this for a while and he's just letting us in on it now, I mean look how we are all acting now so imagine how crazy it would be if he told us in October that plains were in the works for this. we would have been kicking the doors in. Just like we were just before s3 was put out. So I think we are in good hands now.   I really dought it will be anything less then what we all need. I personally can't wait. I'm good and I think everyone should be too. has Dan EVER let us down before......and the answer is NO! 

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I already have almost twice that much in S3 and 40 CCR Superstar. I'm not really wanting to have to pay more. $540 ought to be as much as I have to spend.

Well i meant just for the software alone, not SS as well. Like right now instead of S3 Advanced you could buy lets say an S3 Commercial software. Seems to me with guys like you they should make an S3 Commercial or something along those line.

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