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I want to start using dmx with lor   anybody have any ideas on which dongle to use  idmx   enntec  or holiday coro actidongle?

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Honestly I wouldnt use any of the above. Pre e1.31 over LOR they were the only choices to run dmx but now since LOR was gracious enough to give us e1.31 we can use e1.31 to dmx bridges that will give you multiple universes out of one device vs one universe per dongle. Cost wise and future expansion wise thy are much cheaper.......

 

http://www.diyledexpress.com/index.php?main_page=index&cPath=22&zenid=b13d5eaf5a83add62fc092e08185c0c0

 

or http://www.j1sys.com/ecg-d2/

 

or http://www.j1sys.com/ecg-d4/

 

I was hoping we would see an LOR version this year as well. I guess only time will tell.

 

Hope that helps :)

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Can I use any of the boards above for dumb rgb strings or are they just for smart pixels thanks again Dennis

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All of the boards I linked to are simply a way to get the dmx signal out of your pc. None of them are controllers themselves.

 

You will still need to have a controller. There are 2 main choices out right now when it comes to jumping into pixels and rgb. There are the products from LOR the CCR's, CCB's and CCP's that are awesome and require very little work to get up and running and there is the DIY world that requires a bit more research and time invesment but can be well worth it.

 

If the DIY world is more of what your looking for I would highly recommend downloading fasteddys lighting 101 manual here..... http://auschristmaslighting.com/forums/index.php/topic,1889.0.html

I couldnt tell you the amount of people who have had their aha moment just reading through that pdf and seeing all the diagrams etc.

 

You can also find myself and many other LOR users in the chat room on the Aussie forums to help out and answer any questions you may have.

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Can I use any of the boards above for dumb rgb strings or are they just for smart pixels thanks again Dennis

Last year I wired several dumb RGB strings to these controllers ($9 each).

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Hey If i get the ecg-d4 I can still use any controllers right? or do i have to use p2 or the p12r?

 

The d4 is simply an e1.31 to dmx bridge so you can hook up controllers like the one Steven linked to above or any other dmx conroller like Rays 27 channel boards or even your LOR controllers in DMX mode.

 

The P2 and P12 are pixel controllers that just hook directly up to your e1.31 network they dont require a bridge. The link I posted above has a breakdown of all the different controllers and how they hook up and diagrams with explinations of each.

 

;)

 

The how it all goes together e1.31 presentation should also help make better sense of it all.   http://auschristmaslighting.com/forums/index.php/topic,1211.0.html

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Sweet thanks for clearing that up for me! I was thinking of just getting the Holiday coro dongle. but after adding up all the channels i'm going to need for this years stuff i bought, i'm realizing ill need three universes. and the ecg-d4 is just a better fit! thanks getting excited for 2013's display..

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No problem.

 

"DMX512 is a bus network no more than 1,200 metres (3,900 ft) long, with not more than 32 devices on a single bus"

 

If your adding up your channels and realized you need 3 universes keep the above in mind when buying controllers. While a universe is 512 it is limited to the amount of controllers you can put on each network. 

 

Example #1 take those little 3 channel dmx controllers Steven linked above 32 X 3 = 96 so you could really only use 96 channels of that universe because you maxed out the device limit.

 

Example #2 say you are using the 27 channel Ray Wu/ holiday coro controllers. Putting 18 of them on one universe = 486 channels. So going that route you are staying below the 32 device limit.

 

Make sense?

 

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this is what im planning jumping into rgb this year.

 

 

                 6 strings of smart c9 nodes 42 pixels from seasonal entertainment--------756 channels

                 3 rainbow ribbons another 42 pixels from seasonal entertainment----------378 channels

                 6 100 count dumb strings from seasonal entertainment                ---------- 18 channels

                 9  100 count dumb strings from ray wu                                          ----------  27 channels

                 10 coro stars from holiday coro                                                       ---------  30 channels

           and 96 light o rama channels...

           just getting my feet wet with rgb i think this sounds right.                     totaling     1209 channels??????                 

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Cool. I'm glad you posted that so I can break down how to control it for you or at least how I would personally control it.

 

6 strings of smart c9 nodes 42 pixels from seasonal entertainment--------756 channels

3 rainbow ribbons another 42 pixels from seasonal entertainment----------378 channels

 

All of these can be ran with either seasonal ent pixel controllers or a J1sys P2 or P12 or Sandevices 68X directly from the e1.31 network. Nothing else required to drive these than the controller as it will plug right up to your network.

 

                 6 100 count dumb strings from seasonal entertainment                ---------- 18 channels


                 9  100 count dumb strings from ray wu                                          ----------  27 channels


                 10 coro stars from holiday coro                                                       ---------  30 channels

 

Here is where you are going to need either a dongle or an e1.31 to dmx bridge to get the signal out to the controllers for these. Here you can use seasonal ent controllers, the 3 channel $10 controller steven posted above or the 27 channel ray wu/holiday coro controller.

 

96 light o rama channels...

 

I would leave these on thier own LOR 485 network. They perform best there and you want have to fool with renumbering channels or your LOR controllers.

 

 

So how would I do this setup...................

 

network%20drawing.jpg

 

 

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OR if you wanted to use the little 3 channel controllers for the stars or even strings rather than the 27 channel controllers....................

 

Now at the bottom coming out of the D4 you can easily daisy chain the 3 channel controllers one after the other up to 32 devices off of that one port on the D4. This is true for the 27 channel boards as well you can daisy chain them too. I only split things up to show how easy it is to hook everything up but you can absolutly keep adding dmx devices down the line just like you can with LOR controllers just as long as each has its own address. Also the pixel controller could have been a P12 or an e68X. Hopr that helps.

 

network%20drawing%20with%203.jpg

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      Dude. more help than you know. I have six of the seasonal entertainment pixel controlers coming, and may buy three more for the rainbow ribbons. and thinking of ray wu's 27 channel controller for 9 mini trees. and holiday coros 3 channel controler with on board dip switch addressing.(ive heard the fading on these controllers is spot on.)        this is my second year with light o rama and i thought i would add some rgb this year. I quess I got carried away.  

 

here's a bad video from 2012 but you get the idea..

 

http://youtu.be/K_R8OaGcEN8

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Hmmmmm well I didnt realize you already had controllers. That does change things a bit as the (someone correct me if I'm wrong) seasonal ent are not e1.31 controllers meaning they will need to hook up to the e1.31 to dmx bridge rather than directly up to the e1.31 network. I'm not familiar with the seasonal ent devices enough to give you real world experience answers on them. However they do have a downloads page here http://seasonalentertainmentllc.com/downloads.htm and from what I can tell none of the controllers are e1.31 as all their diagrams are using the elor, dongles or e1.31 to dmx bridges.

 

;)

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Right now none of our lighting devices support E1.31 but its coming...

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Since we seem to be on questions about connecting SE stuff, I have one.  I tomorrow I will receive my G3-MP3 Director.  I also have   20 rainbow mini pixel strings from SE.  What, among all of the options suggested so far on this thread, would be the best for a connection between them?

 

This is for a standalone Mega Smart Pixel tree, there will be nothing else connected to the G3 except the pixels.

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Folks, I will say it again and again and again...The 32 device limit and just splitting the DMX signal is the most worst idea possible.  Sure it will work but it will not work for long.  We had dozens and dozens of customers come to us last year during the season for Blenders and MultiPort Blenders because they used this idea of just splittling a data signal and it didn't work. They had failing nodes, signal degredation and it really ruined their idea of what their display should look like.  There are reasons this limit is set and it has been tested time and time again.  Sure it will work but chances are very good it won't for long...especially when you are using cheap Chinese products that are made with low cost components.  Really think about this wiring decision before you move forward with your projects and consider how much effort you may have to put into isolating problems during the season.

 

Greg

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Not only does Andy give a complete, detailed instruction....

 

He also includes little pictures and diagrams!!

 

 

OR if you wanted to use the little 3 channel controllers for the stars or even strings rather than the 27 channel controllers....................

 

Now at the bottom coming out of the D4 you can easily daisy chain the 3 channel controllers one after the other up to 32 devices off of that one port on the D4. This is true for the 27 channel boards as well you can daisy chain them too. I only split things up to show how easy it is to hook everything up but you can absolutly keep adding dmx devices down the line just like you can with LOR controllers just as long as each has its own address. Also the pixel controller could have been a P12 or an e68X. Hopr that helps.

 

network%20drawing%20with%203.jpg

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Normally, I don't register my comments on something like this, but it's been one of those days and I'm in a mood.

I don't understand the comment. This entire thread has been extremely informative. Any comments referencing specific hardware are posted (at least to my knowledge) by users. Not vendors. Even the guy who has something to sell has refrained from really advertising anything, save the very innocent comment regarding a future feature addition, which I'm guessing we all expected was coming anyway.

Why discourage this kind of exchange? Based upon the above, I see at least a couple folks who are happy to have gotten the help.

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Since we seem to be on questions about connecting SE stuff, I have one.  I tomorrow I will receive my G3-MP3 Director.  I also have   20 rainbow mini pixel strings from SE.  What, among all of the options suggested so far on this thread, would be the best for a connection between them?

 

This is for a standalone Mega Smart Pixel tree, there will be nothing else connected to the G3 except the pixels.

this will be a bit of a challenge. The MP3 Director only outputs LOR. Most devices driving pixels accept DMX.

 

So, what you would need is:

 

Director ===> iDMX 1000 ===> Pixel Driver ===> Pixel strings....

 

You could use the SE Rainbow Brain as Pixel driver and the iDMX from LOR.... You could also check out Sandevices ELOR device. As far as  understand it is both in one kit...

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I am hoping this reply gets posted, I would love to be able to get a response.

The picture above shows 2 lines coming out of the computer. I am using LOR S3, so the USB line to the rs485 then my LOR boxes daisy chained together and cat 5 cable goes to netgear Ethernet hub then pr12? Is this correct setup? Will S3 speak to both outputs from the computer? Or am I missing something?

Thank you in advance for any help/advice offered.

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You could also check out Sandevices ELOR device. As far as  understand it is both in one kit...

The ELOR converts LOR to 4 universes of E1.31. So it has a LOR network input and an Ethernet output. It also puts universe #4 on a direct DMX output, so in that way it behaves like an iDMX.

 

The advantages of an iDMX over an ELOR are:

  • The iDMX can be set as unit number 1. The ELOR unit number for the hardware DMX output must be at least 4.
  • The iDMX can be put in "legacy mode", with 16 virtual unit numbers with 16 channel each.
  • The iDMX can run in "standalone mode", with up to 5,000 LOR commands.
  • The iDMX comes in a nice enclosure. The ELOR is a circuit board.
  • The iDMX comes with support from Light-O-Rama.

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