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Dan's "announcements soon" has turned into months already.

It’s also bad business practice to announce future products that don’t materialize when they should.

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It’s also bad business practice to announce future products that don’t materialize when they should.

 

Don't make promises you can't keep.

 

But we get that alot of that on here.

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I don't think Dan has made any promises other then there will be an annoucement soon.. for that he is behind the curve.. but he also explained they didn't want to pull the trigger before whatever it is was ready..

I have no issue with them waiting for their product announcement, but I just can't wait any longer then this coming week or I fear I will get even further behind the time crunch. 

 

so Dan.. We don't even know what you are working on.. let alone a release date.. if you are not working on what I need, it would have been good to know long ago as I have been waiting to add other software to my system in hope that LOR would have something better for Pixel control..  crunch time now..

 

Craig

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So, you guys are upset that Dan won’t release information on something you don’t know what is but you might need?

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So, you guys are upset that Dan won’t release information on something you don’t know what is but you might need?

I'm not losing any sleep over it.

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Every year for the past several years a small percentage of LOR users launch a campaign on the forum stating that they better get what they want or they are leaving. Meanwhile the rest of us sit by patiently hoping that LOR might add something that doesn’t require 2K pixels and a super computer to benefit from it (like common channel config, xml show and schedule files, easier setup verification tools, etc).

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So, you guys are upset that Dan won’t release information on something you don’t know what is but you might need?

I agree with TGabriel,  Not losing any sleep over it. 

 

Not sure anyone has launched a campaign of any kind rwetz...   For me, I know I am out of time to make a decision and pick a direction.  That means I either have to decide to stay with LOR S3 and work around the limitations or find something that is easier for me to deal with.   Nothing more..   I still have lots of LOR stuff and don't plan on abandoning LOR just quite yet.. just need to move forward.. I along with many were hoping LOR would at least let us know what they are working on so we have some idea if it pertains to our needs for the near future.  In the vacuum of no info.. I can only assume that I must find a way to do what I want to do.  Whether with LOR or something else..

 

Nothing more.. nothing less..

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Exactly!  ... and LOR has no constructive reason to release any information about any current or future products until it's feasible to do so.  It's the way engineering works.  Nothing more.. nothing less.

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We will be making some announcements soon. One of the reasons we have held back is that we have been guilty when it comes to being overly optimistic on schedules. Once I have a good handle on what will and will not be released this year I will let you know. We certainly are working on hardware and software that support and simplify the use of pixels. We expect the number of LOR customers using pixels to top 10% this year and pixels will be one of the fastest growing areas so we are increasing the portion of our resources allocated to such products. 

 

Dan

 

I am assuming that if by this time of year (mid-May) that they don't even have a "good handle on what will and will not be released this year" that the final product isn't going to be released any time soon, and therefore probably well past the time needed for most people that are doing any significant amount of new pixel sequencing.  Let me explain based off what Dan said above:  Dan hasn't announced anything yet and I assume that they are able to predict whether a product will be completed at least within the next 4-6 months.  Therefore that puts us at least past September to November for a significant product release, which is probably past when most people would be willing or able to make major show additions or revamps for this year's show.  Now if Dan had said "I will let you know once I have an exact date of release" that would be a different story since that is difficult to predict very far out, but all that was said that he would announce something once he knows if and what will even be released this year.

 

(Hence see post #6 above). 

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What will come first, the long awaited announcement of "whats new" or the promised "vendors posting" rules????   Too long has pasted on both of them....

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What will come first, the long awaited announcement of "whats new" or the promised "vendors posting" rules????   Too long has pasted on both of them....

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Thought I solved the "vendor posting rules" for them but apparently not!  Must have made too much sense.

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Some of youse guys are being kinda mean. LOR is a good company and if they don't have what you want when you want it then you're shopping in the wrong store. Don't beat em up on the forum, just shop where you get what you want, when you want it.

If you don't find that place, consider it an opportunity to start your own.

Just my humble opinion.

 

Chip

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Some of youse guys are being kinda mean. LOR is a good company and if they don't have what you want when you want it then you're shopping in the wrong store. Don't beat em up on the forum, just shop where you get what you want, when you want it.

If you don't find that place, consider it an opportunity to start your own.

Just my humble opinion.

 

Chip

not really beating them up but IMO the solution is simple.  setup standard rules for vendors that apply to ALL, after that the baseball rule - Three Strikes your out!!  Decided if there is to be a probationary period to keep a vendor out or make it a lifetime ban but make sure it is documented.  Not all that hard.

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Some of youse guys are being kinda mean. LOR is a good company and if they don't have what you want when you want it then you're shopping in the wrong store. Don't beat em up on the forum, just shop where you get what you want, when you want it.

If you don't find that place, consider it an opportunity to start your own.

Just my humble opinion.

 

Chip

Just my humble opinion,    It has been an ongoing thing with LOR not getting info out to it customers or on the forums.  It has been brought up several times and the same answer is always stated.  "we will do better".   No one said LOR was not a great company with great products, all that was said now and for a long time, please try to keep us informed.  Have you noticed how some people have moved away from LOR due to no information about how it will handle or fix the problems with using pixels and a few others things??

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I understand the desire for information from the consumer. I also understand the need to keep some new developments somewhat under wraps until they are ready for release. I will wait and see what is ready for 2014.

 

LOR like all companies will grow or diminish dependent on its ability to bring to market the desires and needs of its consumers in a timely fashion.

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I'm a newbie and I like LOR tremendously but...........it's a competitive world and I will always look for the best product for the price.

If pixels are the new thing then there are multple others getting into the field and like all other electronics today you can only have the latest and greatest stuff for about 6 months until something later and greater comes along.

 

Madrix in a consumer size affordable version would be nice from what I have seen. IMHO

 

Chip 

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LOR is a great technology company rather than a great marketing driven company.  Don't plan on what MAY or is Projected to be available, plan on what is avilable now.  We have seen this issue a number of times in the past few years.  Having spent a number of years in the sofware developmnent company I can assure you that time projections NEVER pan out as expected.  (One fix breaks three things that worked before).

I found last year that attemping to make major changes to to late in the year ONLY result in disaster.  There becomes a time (just about arouind the corner) where any new inovations should be relegated to next year.  Changeing sofrware has a learing curve (often big),  LOR will either catch up with our needs or will fall back to a hardware only company or dislove away, which I HOPE does NOT occur. 

Point is Dan will decide when and where,  as a community we will decide if the availablity and funcitons meed our needs.  LOR has had a few major (?) product and availability issues in the past couple of years.  Experiance proves that failing to meet an expection can really hurt a companys confidence.  No wonder no more info has been released untill it is almost cut in stone. It is NO wonder that Dan is a little gun shy.

 

We all can look forward to what is next but whining about when and what does not get results.

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I understand the desire for information from the consumer. I also understand the need to keep some new developments somewhat under wraps until they are ready for release. 

 

I normally spend most of my time on the DIY sites and knowing what people are working on is usually not a problem.  People will show just ideas or mocked up concepts and in general, what they’re working on.

 

I know it doesn’t work that way with a business.  But a ‘Hey were looking to come out with ‘X’ sometime in the following year or two’. would be nice but I understand why they won’t too.

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They are coming out with "X"?!?!?! Cool

When?

I am planning on using "X" this year so I need to know when "X" will be released....

Just being sarcasitic.

If LOR stopped doing software/hardware updates they still would have a lot of customers (including me).

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Well its obvious we are all fishing to find out what "X" is and Dan is not biting.

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Well its obvious we are all fishing to find out what "X" is and Dan is not biting.

We all must be using the wrong bait to catch a Dan.

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I don't think anybody here is asking for Dan to do anything other than what he said he was going to do over 2 months ago (quoted below).  From what I have read in this thread, I don't see how it is felt that anybody is "being kinda  mean" or has "beat em up on the forum."  Dan indicated he was going to make an announcement soon, specifically on the pixel aspect of the company.  I think you just have loyal customers that are wanting to give LOR an opportunity to keep their business, but at the same time they recognize that by a certain time of year that the show must go on with or without LOR.  Without even the slightest hint about what is in the pipeline, people just assume that LOR is going to continue to lose ground compared to what is already out there for the pixel aspect of the hobby.   Most involved in this hobby definitely understand that most decorators definitely what to keep up with  (or ahead of) the Joneses, so once they realize that LOR S3 isn't going to cut it for heavy pixel sequencing, they will quickly move on to another software that is already out there that is prepared to handle pixels better (and it is unlikely they will return).  LOR would be wise to make an attempt to retain these users, even if it is just with some vague updates on what their plans are.  I would be willing to bet that a good portion of those >10% that are using pixels now are some of the most helpful and/or bright people in this hobby, and I would think that LOR/Dan would want to keep their expertise present here on the LOR forums.  Hey, but what do I know...I just play with Christmas lights.

 

We will be making some announcements soon. One of the reasons we have held back is that we have been guilty when it comes to being overly optimistic on schedules. Once I have a good handle on what will and will not be released this year I will let you know. We certainly are working on hardware and software that support and simplify the use of pixels. We expect the number of LOR customers using pixels to top 10% this year and pixels will be one of the fastest growing areas so we are increasing the portion of our resources allocated to such products. 

 

Dan

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I agree with Surfing.. I don't think anyone is beating them up.. For me personally I just want some indication as to whats coming.  I for one am out of time for making a decision.  (perhaps a bit passed that time)

 

With the lack of good information, I have had to decide what to do for my jump into pixels.   Monday I will be buying a "different" software package to run with my existing LOR.  I waited as long as I felt I could and still get done what I need to do.  I actually hope I didn't wait too long. 

 

LOR is a good product line with limitations which make it a bit short for what is coming right now.  However, Dan said that about 10% of LOR customers will use pixels this year.. for LOR it may just not be an economical issue to push thru a better system of pixel programming.  What they have is still great and I will continue to use them until it no longer makes sense.. .should that time come. 

 

I still have lots and lots of LOR items that work just fine.. I just can't do the high count pixel thing with LOR very well.  Could be just me... I am adding about 9500 pixels this year with just two props.  I gotta figure this all out quick!  ha ha

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Came across this while searching for new lightorama products. There is a test site that shows up in a google search for LOR, easy to find, it has a page called Dan's Desk and has an outline of 2013 products. Not sure if it is true or accuarate information and not sure LOR wants me to post the site, but a simple google search for "lightorama what's coming in 2013" shows you the site.

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I'm not sue what the "this isn't the real thing"  or "sequences for sale  NOT"  is all about on that page.

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