Tracy West Posted October 9, 2012 Author Share Posted October 9, 2012 Yahoooooooooo!!!!!! The CAT5 terminator did the trick on the flickering.That open end was causing all kinds of havoc on the lights.Now on to new problems. If an RGB strip is suppose to fire Red but fires Pink evenwhen you go back and darken it... Is this a sign of a bad strip?What is weird is that in test mode it fires a perfect RED. Go figure! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
edvas69 Posted October 9, 2012 Share Posted October 9, 2012 Great news TracyDoesnt sound like its an issue with the strip if it works OK in the test mode, I would take a look at your sequence Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tracy West Posted October 9, 2012 Author Share Posted October 9, 2012 Great news TracyDoesnt sound like its an issue with the strip if it works OK in the test mode, I would take a look at your sequenceI did... and all the other strand fire red in the same areas. Just this one strip. It fires pink. Weird! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CLD Kevin Posted October 10, 2012 Share Posted October 10, 2012 (edited) Definitely sounds like a bad strip. To verify...move it to a controller that is working good. If your still getting pink...there's your answer.Or could be a sequence issue. Check your channel lineup and make sure you didn't double up on another controller. Edited October 10, 2012 by CLD Kevin Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tracy West Posted October 10, 2012 Author Share Posted October 10, 2012 BINGO!!! I had an address the same with the controller below the strip. So it was mixing the two!Strip is great!Thank God!! I don't want to get back on the roof if all possible! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
edvas69 Posted October 10, 2012 Share Posted October 10, 2012 Definitely sounds like a bad strip. To verify...move it to a controller that is working good. If your still getting pink...there's your answer.Or could be a sequence issue. Check your channel lineup and make sure you didn't double up on another controller.Your second choice was correct. From another thread where Tracy explains what was wrongI figured out my issue with this RGB strip...I had a duplicate dmx address with the unit right below it and it was causing the strip to mis-fire! At least it was not the strip and I don't have to go back onto the roof to replace the dang thing! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tracy West Posted October 12, 2012 Author Share Posted October 12, 2012 This rgb strips dmx is like a bad nightmare!Tonight, I test fire the RGB strips on the roof for my son and the flickering is back.Last I looked, my terminator was still in place but I did not get up on the roof to check if the squirrels ate it or what... but It was back to flickering.Well... tomorrow, I will go back to RS and get some 120 Ohms this time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ScottyMo Posted October 12, 2012 Share Posted October 12, 2012 Thought I would share my experience with DMX termination.My setup is using DMX only with an Enttec Pro dongle.When I built the scale model of my house back in the spring (), it was running 10 27 channel DMX controllers and I did not have a DMX terminator. It worked flawlessly with no issues. So I never gave much thought to a terminator.However, when I built the full sized show with the same number of controllers, I started seeing random odd flaky behaviour. It would freeze in the middle of a sequence for about 5 seconds, etc. The issues were totally random.Found a place in town where I was able to get a terminator ($10). After I installed it, everything runs flawlessly.From a DMX perspective, the only real difference between my scale model and the real show is that the real show has long CAT5 cable runs between controllers (25 feet average). I’m guessing that is what started introducing the problem.ScottyMo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tracy West Posted October 12, 2012 Author Share Posted October 12, 2012 I am going to climb up on the roof tomorrow to see what happened.I had a terminator hooked up the the last unti on the roof.It worked great.Tonight... it acted like it was not on there at all.It might not be.We have had squirrels causing havoc on stuff before.I know they didn't get the lights cause they fired up but with a lot of flckering tonight. At this moment.... I am missing plug and play! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
edvas69 Posted October 12, 2012 Share Posted October 12, 2012 Thought I would share my experience with DMX termination.My setup is using DMX only with an Enttec Pro dongle.When I built the scale model of my house back in the spring (http://forums.lighto...at/#entry213981), it was running 10 27 channel DMX controllers and I did not have a DMX terminator. It worked flawlessly with no issues. So I never gave much thought to a terminator.However, when I built the full sized show with the same number of controllers, I started seeing random odd flaky behaviour. It would freeze in the middle of a sequence for about 5 seconds, etc. The issues were totally random.Found a place in town where I was able to get a terminator ($10). After I installed it, everything runs flawlessly.From a DMX perspective, the only real difference between my scale model and the real show is that the real show has long CAT5 cable runs between controllers (25 feet average). I’m guessing that is what started introducing the problem.ScottyMoA CAT5 cable can act like a big antenna. generally the twisting of the CAT5 cable will stop most interferance coming in, but with flickering there can be many different issues that create this. I had some major flickering issues last year that i worked through and it ended up being a combination of things i did that stopped it.One simple thing i did do was to create a little coil of cat5 just before the controller which helped in one instance. Issues ive seen that cause flickering are1: One of the issues was actually created from one of the controllers I had. It had a damaged FET and must have been causing some electrical interferance back into the DMX signal as the RJ45 design on this controller was not optically isolated.2: Another issue was having a controller too close to the power supply as i was using a cheap Ray Wu special and these can let out a bit of electrical interferance.3: Have found a damaged core on a solid core CAT5 cable that wasnt completely open circuit but enough to play havoc4: Even just repositioning a cat5 cable can help sometimes5: Moisture within the data connection or joins6: Not having the ground tied together between controller and different power supplies causing ground loopsThere are more but these are just some of the things that can contribute to flickering Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tracy West Posted October 13, 2012 Author Share Posted October 13, 2012 I am beyond frustrated now!I put a 120 Ohm terminator on the end.I checked the connections between the connectorsI have moved the AC around and farther away.WTF?????!!!!!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tracy West Posted October 13, 2012 Author Share Posted October 13, 2012 This morning I got up at 5:30 am and went into the garage... continplating scrubbing the rgb lights.So, I started with one RGB strip.. No flickering. Added another one with a terminator... still no flickering... added 3, 4, and 5 strips. NO FLICKERING!!! So that tells me there is something wrong with either dmx controller, cabling, connections, or a combination of all on the roof.Back to square one with them but I do know that these things works. I have not given up hope but I am running out of time.I just need them to work for me in the yard and work consistently for the next 3 weeks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
plasmadrive Posted October 13, 2012 Share Posted October 13, 2012 I am beyond frustrated now!I put a 120 Ohm terminator on the end.I checked the connections between the connectorsI have moved the AC around and farther away.WTF?????!!!!!!! Well the Cat5 cable you are using may indeed have moisture issues. If it worked so well after you put the terminator on, it could have sucked up moisture. Now I am sure there are instances where the Cat5 can pick up noise but the point of using an RS485 structure is that, in theory, any noise that is impinged on the cable will be equally impinged on both of the wires of the twisted pair. That signal is then received by a differential input which would cancel the noise. Moving the cable, should not make any difference. Of course in real life anything is possible, but I can tell you that in the entertainment industry there are DMX cables all over the trusses next to all kinds of noisy AC and they work fine. Yes, most of those are shielded, but in your case it should not be an issue.. Should not be... Are you using the pairs of the Cat5 cable correctly? Should be a single pair for D+ and D-.If I were to guess from what you are saying... number 5 and 6 from edvas69 make the most sense:5: Moisture within the data connection or joins Or cable6: Not having the ground tied together between controller and different power supplies causing ground loops Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tracy West Posted October 13, 2012 Author Share Posted October 13, 2012 I got them to work well this morning by putting a terminator on about every 4th strip.I am hoping this will do the trick. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CLD Kevin Posted October 13, 2012 Share Posted October 13, 2012 Not that this is going to help...but I feel your pain Tracy. It suppose to be a fun hobby and quickly turns into frustration. The end result will be well worth it. I don't know how many times I threw up my hands, told myself I give up and drank a couple of beers to forget. But it never goes away...you even dream about it and wake in the middle of the night and say..."hey, that might work!" Maybe if your going to have long runs in harsh climates...use outside cable like XLR or outdoor cat5 cable. I personally don't have any experience using these so dont know if it will help. I just used standard indoor and my runs were short . SoCal weather...so nothing harsh here and no mice, rats, snakes, squirrels, gophers, rabbits, coyotes, mountain lions or anything else that may chew up the lines. Maybe a punk kid with a set of scissors. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tracy West Posted October 13, 2012 Author Share Posted October 13, 2012 Thanks Kevin,Hey, what is the rule on cutting the RGB strips?Can you cut at the little points and then just silicone the opened area?I am pursuing on with the strips after my success this morning.Will have a beer or two... or three when it is all over! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
edvas69 Posted October 13, 2012 Share Posted October 13, 2012 With a system that has multiple controllers and power supplies all it takes is just one bad data connection, or one bad controller or one bad power supply and this can cause havok. So it will have to be a process of elimination as it could just be one of the controllers or connections to that controller are whats causing the issue. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tracy West Posted October 14, 2012 Author Share Posted October 14, 2012 It was a good night for RGB's!!I have for the moment got through the night with no flickers.The only issue I had was I had a strip that did not want to fire green. It would fire red and blue but would not fire green.I rechecked the address and that was not the case.It fired green the previous days and even in non-dmx mode it flashes out when green comes up.Bad strip or bad connection?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tracy West Posted October 14, 2012 Author Share Posted October 14, 2012 Nobody answered my question on cutting RGB strips.It says you can cut every three lights and there is a dotted line across that area. Has anybody cut these and has anybody had problems after cutting them?When you cut them do you what do you seal them with? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CLD Kevin Posted October 14, 2012 Share Posted October 14, 2012 Nobody answered my question on cutting RGB strips.It says you can cut every three lights and there is a dotted line across that area. Has anybody cut these and has anybody had problems after cutting them?When you cut them do you what do you seal them with?That is the great thing about these RGB strips, strings, modules, ect. You can pretty much cut them anywhere. Cutting them at the dotted line or every 3 LEDs is correct. Just seal the end....thats it. Not need to modify anything or add some type of resister. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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