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That is the LED mounted facing out the back of the controller box would create a small illumination factor on the wall directly behind the controller, and wouldn't be all that visible to someone watching the display.

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Wait, you dont think the power LED would light up the wall? It shines out the back.. even if the case is screwed to the wall, it's still gonna light up the wall around each box.. it will look exactly like the newer flatscreen tv's that have backlighting to compliment the picture. There would be a red glow, on your house, around each box.. And people will see the glow when the yard isnt "playing" anything. Have you even tried putting the boxes againt the house with the covers off to see? I dont think you've thot this out enough.

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Wait, you dont think the power LED would light up the wall? It shines out the back.. even if the case is screwed to the wall, it's still gonna light up the wall around each box.. it will look exactly like the newer flatscreen tv's that have backlighting to compliment the picture. There would be a red glow, on your house, around each box.. And people will see the glow when the yard isnt "playing" anything. Have you even tried putting the boxes againt the house with the covers off to see? I dont think you've thot this out enough.


Yes I have, and no it won't.

I experimented with this using different color LED's, Red, Green, Yellow, Blue and White with a large enclosure like an LOR CTB16PC controller box, the LED is SO CLOSE to the wall that there is NO WALL WASH EFFECT that you're talking about. Just a small circular amount of light coming from the LED against the wall, it's almost like a laser pointer. Matter of fact, if you're concerned with this wall wash effect, then use a very small LED that is of the pointer type, that is has a pin point light output. This type LED will only place a very small dot on the wall, but may not be very visible behind the controller box.

Now if there were a very large gap and you were using a very large LED, that could be the case, but if the case is mounted directly to the wall, the only way to see that LED light behind the box is to be right up next to and looking down the sideline behind it. Barely noticable at all.

The Blue LED does generate more light output than any of the other colors, but stil not enough to produce a "neon" type glow around the controller box.

However, I would NOT recommend a white LED, they are just too bright and was the only one that came close to emitting enough light that is was somewhat visible.

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Is there anyway you can post some pics of this at night?? I would like to see how this works before trying it. Maybe a day shot of the box also.

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Is there anyway you can post some pics of this at night?? I would like to see how this works before trying it. Maybe a day shot of the box also.


Sorry no photos. I tried to photograph it, and all the camera does is wash it out from the side takes and from the front, the flash just showed the box against the wall. Tried various settings on the camera, just no way to capture a single LED, for one thing the LED IS NOT bright enough to overcome the camera flash, without the flash, all you see is a black photo, since the LED is being photographed from a side view it just doesn't photograph at all. Or my camera sure can't/couldn't pick it up.

But with the LED in the CENTER BACK of the box, it DOES NOT put out enough light to be visible from the front or even sides of the controller unless you are right at the controller and looking directly at and for the LED. Otherwise, it's just not noticeable at all.

If this were a string of LEDS along the back of the box, that is OUTLINING the box, then, yes, you'd get that effect of a somewhat neonish look around it, but a SINGLE LED DOES NOT HAVE ENOUGH POWER OR LIGHT OUTPUT TO CREATE THIS EFFECT.

Don't take my word for it, go find an old box about the size of a LOR Controller and put an LED in the CENTER, not off to one side or the other, DEAD CENTER of the box and try it yourself. This is something that just isn't capable of being photographed, or at least not with any of the cameras I have.

I have WORKED in the electronics industry nigh on 40 years, and in many facets, Engineering Prototype Labs(EPL), Technician/Tester, Quality Control, and Assembly Line, so I *DO* have a lot of experience with a lot of this and know how some work. However, not some of the newer stuff, because I just don't keep up with it any longer.

So if you can't beleive experience, then all I can tell you is to do go buy an empty box, even a small experimenters box, like one of those black boxes Radio Shack sells, drill a hole dead center, put in an LED, power it with 2-3 AA or AAA batteries and put it against the wall, holding it about 1/2" to 1" from the wall and see just how the LED puts the light on the wall. Being that close, it can not "wall wash" the wall with much light at all, it's basically going to be a very small circular pattern of light that is just large enough to be visible with the eye from looking down the side of the box.

There is absolutely no way a single LED can wall wash or give any type of "glow" effect around a box being so close to a wall unless you driving a very bright LED, which I would not recommend. I know there are some really bright LED's created today, but you want one that will only output enough light to be slightly visible, not one that is so bright it could be seen from Mars!

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shfr26 wrote:
Is there anyway you can post some pics of this at night?? I would like to see how this works before trying it. Maybe a day shot of the box also.


Sorry no photos. I tried to photograph it, and all the camera does is wash it out from the side takes and from the front, the flash just showed the box against the wall. Tried various settings on the camera, just no way to capture a single LED, for one thing the LED IS NOT bright enough to overcome the camera flash, without the flash, all you see is a black photo, since the LED is being photographed from a side view it just doesn't photograph at all. Or my camera sure can't/couldn't pick it up.

But with the LED in the CENTER BACK of the box, it DOES NOT put out enough light to be visible from the front or even sides of the controller unless you are right at the controller and looking directly at and for the LED. Otherwise, it's just not noticeable at all.

If this were a string of LEDS along the back of the box, that is OUTLINING the box, then, yes, you'd get that effect of a somewhat neonish look around it, but a SINGLE LED DOES NOT HAVE ENOUGH POWER OR LIGHT OUTPUT TO CREATE THIS EFFECT.

Don't take my word for it, go find an old box about the size of a LOR Controller and put an LED in the CENTER, not off to one side or the other, DEAD CENTER of the box and try it yourself. This is something that just isn't capable of being photographed, or at least not with any of the cameras I have.

I have WORKED in the electronics industry nigh on 40 years, and in many facets, Engineering Prototype Labs(EPL), Technician/Tester, Quality Control, and Assembly Line, so I *DO* have a lot of experience with a lot of this and know how some work. However, not some of the newer stuff, because I just don't keep up with it any longer.

So if you can't beleive experience, then all I can tell you is to do go buy an empty box, even a small experimenters box, like one of those black boxes Radio Shack sells, drill a hole dead center, put in an LED, power it with 2-3 AA or AAA batteries and put it against the wall, holding it about 1/2" to 1" from the wall and see just how the LED puts the light on the wall. Being that close, it can not "wall wash" the wall with much light at all, it's basically going to be a very small circular pattern of light that is just large enough to be visible with the eye from looking down the side of the box.

There is absolutely no way a single LED can wall wash or give any type of "glow" effect around a box being so close to a wall unless you driving a very bright LED, which I would not recommend. I know there are some really bright LED's created today, but you want one that will only output enough light to be slightly visible, not one that is so bright it could be seen from Mars!



So I guess I am not seeing the point of the LED in the first place if you have to go and get practically right up against the house to look "down the side of the box" through the little crack of space to see if the controller is getting power. But I guess that is just me...

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Surfing4Dough wrote:

Orville wrote:
shfr26 wrote:
Is there anyway you can post some pics of this at night?? I would like to see how this works before trying it. Maybe a day shot of the box also.


Sorry no photos. I tried to photograph it, and all the camera does is wash it out from the side takes and from the front, the flash just showed the box against the wall. Tried various settings on the camera, just no way to capture a single LED, for one thing the LED IS NOT bright enough to overcome the camera flash, without the flash, all you see is a black photo, since the LED is being photographed from a side view it just doesn't photograph at all. Or my camera sure can't/couldn't pick it up.

But with the LED in the CENTER BACK of the box, it DOES NOT put out enough light to be visible from the front or even sides of the controller unless you are right at the controller and looking directly at and for the LED. Otherwise, it's just not noticeable at all.

If this were a string of LEDS along the back of the box, that is OUTLINING the box, then, yes, you'd get that effect of a somewhat neonish look around it, but a SINGLE LED DOES NOT HAVE ENOUGH POWER OR LIGHT OUTPUT TO CREATE THIS EFFECT.

Don't take my word for it, go find an old box about the size of a LOR Controller and put an LED in the CENTER, not off to one side or the other, DEAD CENTER of the box and try it yourself. This is something that just isn't capable of being photographed, or at least not with any of the cameras I have.

I have WORKED in the electronics industry nigh on 40 years, and in many facets, Engineering Prototype Labs(EPL), Technician/Tester, Quality Control, and Assembly Line, so I *DO* have a lot of experience with a lot of this and know how some work. However, not some of the newer stuff, because I just don't keep up with it any longer.

So if you can't beleive experience, then all I can tell you is to do go buy an empty box, even a small experimenters box, like one of those black boxes Radio Shack sells, drill a hole dead center, put in an LED, power it with 2-3 AA or AAA batteries and put it against the wall, holding it about 1/2" to 1" from the wall and see just how the LED puts the light on the wall. Being that close, it can not "wall wash" the wall with much light at all, it's basically going to be a very small circular pattern of light that is just large enough to be visible with the eye from looking down the side of the box.

There is absolutely no way a single LED can wall wash or give any type of "glow" effect around a box being so close to a wall unless you driving a very bright LED, which I would not recommend. I know there are some really bright LED's created today, but you want one that will only output enough light to be slightly visible, not one that is so bright it could be seen from Mars!



So I guess I am not seeing the point of the LED in the first place if you have to go and get practically right up against the house to look "down the side of the box" through the little crack of space to see if the controller is getting power. But I guess that is just me...


I agree! That's a little over kill, if you ask me!

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Surfing4Dough wrote:

Orville wrote:
shfr26 wrote:
Is there anyway you can post some pics of this at night?? I would like to see how this works before trying it. Maybe a day shot of the box also.


Sorry no photos. I tried to photograph it, and all the camera does is wash it out from the side takes and from the front, the flash just showed the box against the wall. Tried various settings on the camera, just no way to capture a single LED, for one thing the LED IS NOT bright enough to overcome the camera flash, without the flash, all you see is a black photo, since the LED is being photographed from a side view it just doesn't photograph at all. Or my camera sure can't/couldn't pick it up.

But with the LED in the CENTER BACK of the box, it DOES NOT put out enough light to be visible from the front or even sides of the controller unless you are right at the controller and looking directly at and for the LED. Otherwise, it's just not noticeable at all.

If this were a string of LEDS along the back of the box, that is OUTLINING the box, then, yes, you'd get that effect of a somewhat neonish look around it, but a SINGLE LED DOES NOT HAVE ENOUGH POWER OR LIGHT OUTPUT TO CREATE THIS EFFECT.

Don't take my word for it, go find an old box about the size of a LOR Controller and put an LED in the CENTER, not off to one side or the other, DEAD CENTER of the box and try it yourself. This is something that just isn't capable of being photographed, or at least not with any of the cameras I have.

I have WORKED in the electronics industry nigh on 40 years, and in many facets, Engineering Prototype Labs(EPL), Technician/Tester, Quality Control, and Assembly Line, so I *DO* have a lot of experience with a lot of this and know how some work. However, not some of the newer stuff, because I just don't keep up with it any longer.

So if you can't beleive experience, then all I can tell you is to do go buy an empty box, even a small experimenters box, like one of those black boxes Radio Shack sells, drill a hole dead center, put in an LED, power it with 2-3 AA or AAA batteries and put it against the wall, holding it about 1/2" to 1" from the wall and see just how the LED puts the light on the wall. Being that close, it can not "wall wash" the wall with much light at all, it's basically going to be a very small circular pattern of light that is just large enough to be visible with the eye from looking down the side of the box.

There is absolutely no way a single LED can wall wash or give any type of "glow" effect around a box being so close to a wall unless you driving a very bright LED, which I would not recommend. I know there are some really bright LED's created today, but you want one that will only output enough light to be slightly visible, not one that is so bright it could be seen from Mars!



So I guess I am not seeing the point of the LED in the first place if you have to go and get practically right up against the house to look "down the side of the box" through the little crack of space to see if the controller is getting power. But I guess that is just me...


The point is for those THAT DO NOT WANT A VISIBLE LED to be seen from the FRONT or DIRECT SIDE VIEW from their controllers because they felt that using an external/remote LED would give thieves or vandals a pin point location of their controllers. That's why I stated just ANOTHER WAY to do this so it WOULD NOT be very visible UNLESS you knew what you're were looking for!

Nothing more, nothing less. And my being in FLORIDA is how I would do the remote/external LED indication. As I only have to worry about rain and NOT SNOW in my location. So not a big deal for me to walk out and look at my controllers in such a manner.

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Orville wrote:

Surfing4Dough wrote:
Orville wrote:
shfr26 wrote:
Is there anyway you can post some pics of this at night?? I would like to see how this works before trying it. Maybe a day shot of the box also.


Don't take my word for it, go find an old box about the size of a LOR Controller and put an LED in the CENTER, not off to one side or the other, DEAD CENTER of the box and try it yourself. This is something that just isn't capable of being photographed, or at least not with any of the cameras I have.

I have WORKED in the electronics industry nigh on 40 years, and in many facets, Engineering Prototype Labs(EPL), Technician/Tester, Quality Control, and Assembly Line, so I *DO* have a lot of experience with a lot of this and know how some work. However, not some of the newer stuff, because I just don't keep up with it any longer.

So if you can't beleive experience, then all I can tell you is to do go buy an empty box, even a small experimenters box, like one of those black boxes Radio Shack sells, drill a hole dead center, put in an LED, power it with 2-3 AA or AAA batteries and put it against the wall, holding it about 1/2" to 1" from the wall and see just how the LED puts the light on the wall. Being that close, it can not "wall wash" the wall with much light at all, it's basically going to be a very small circular pattern of light that is just large enough to be visible with the eye from looking down the side of the box.




I'm sorry I asked if you had a picture. I DID NOT say anything about not believing you or if you had any experience. Sorry such a simple request turned into a saga. HAve a nice day.

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shfr26 wrote:

Orville wrote:
Surfing4Dough wrote:
Orville wrote:
shfr26 wrote:
Is there anyway you can post some pics of this at night?? I would like to see how this works before trying it. Maybe a day shot of the box also.


Don't take my word for it, go find an old box about the size of a LOR Controller and put an LED in the CENTER, not off to one side or the other, DEAD CENTER of the box and try it yourself. This is something that just isn't capable of being photographed, or at least not with any of the cameras I have.

I have WORKED in the electronics industry nigh on 40 years, and in many facets, Engineering Prototype Labs(EPL), Technician/Tester, Quality Control, and Assembly Line, so I *DO* have a lot of experience with a lot of this and know how some work. However, not some of the newer stuff, because I just don't keep up with it any longer.

So if you can't beleive experience, then all I can tell you is to do go buy an empty box, even a small experimenters box, like one of those black boxes Radio Shack sells, drill a hole dead center, put in an LED, power it with 2-3 AA or AAA batteries and put it against the wall, holding it about 1/2" to 1" from the wall and see just how the LED puts the light on the wall. Being that close, it can not "wall wash" the wall with much light at all, it's basically going to be a very small circular pattern of light that is just large enough to be visible with the eye from looking down the side of the box.




I'm sorry I asked if you had a picture. I DID NOT say anything about not believing you or if you had any experience. Sorry such a simple request turned into a saga. HAve a nice day.

Don't worry about it shfr26. Sometimes Orville starts to bully people when he is dealing with an area of his expertise and they are having a hard time understanding. He is just going through some rough times right now (probably a little stir crazy due to lacking cars recently) which is probably why he responded that way.

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It's not that I did not understand it, I was wondering if he had a picture, I thought that was a simple request, guess not. In the new and improved forums, that Dan requested, I thought a more forum friendly answer would have been , Sorry no pictures, I tried but they did not come out, not his " IF you don't believe me, build one yourself, I have experience!"

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