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I've got a local news caster that is going to do some video for me that will play between songs throughout my show this year. I've got a TV hooked up to the computer through the S video output on my video card. Everything works as it should, except at the end of the video, instead of just going dark, it shows a windows "window" with the video showing for about 0.5 seconds. It is very annoying to have this pop up at the end of every video. I've tried dragging the window off the screen, but it keeps coming back. Anyone got any ideas? I'll post a video of it later today if you can't visualize what I'm talking about. Thanks!

Patrick

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I have the same problem, and as far as I know from the post I have read, there is no way to prevent it.

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I've used the sequence editor to create a musical sequence based on the video. Then I load that sequence in the show editor in the appropriate place. Its all done with LOR software. I'm on the newest version, advanced license level if that helps. Thanks!

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I have been using video for a while now, both in my Halloween and Christmas shows, without the issues you are describing.

Assuming you are using XP, did you setup your computer display (control is under video properties) to include a second monitor? If you are using Win 7, I can't help you there. I am sticking with XP, as everything works reliably with the systems I rely on under XP (radio software, LOR, video editing, etc). It ain't broke, so I am not about to fix it! :D

Assuming you did set up 2 monitors under did you drag only the LOR video screen to the second monitor?

If so what resolution did you set the second screen to show?

Also are you using wmv, avi or other video files?

I am really busy at work these days, but will try to check in later this week to see your responses.

Greg

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I have also been using video for awhile now, and have the same problem.

Like Greg I did not have this problem running XP, but am just now thinking about that part of it. During this time I had a Gforce video card that did all of the full screen video itself. Sometime during the spring that year for some reason Gforce did away with that option during a driver update. Before Christmas I changed computers (vista) and have had the window resizing video problem since then.

I have seen the problem on vista and windows 7.

My videos start and end with the same background that my computer is set to. This helps, but you still get the window resizing problem.


It is certainly unprofessional looking and I am thinking about not using video this year because of it.

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I don't recall having the problem last year. I have the same video card that I did then, NVidea GeForce 7300. I have the same OS that I did last year, Windows XP Home, and I'm having the same problem with the small window at the end of each sequence.

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Linda wrote:

I don't recall having the problem last year. I have the same video card that I did then, NVidea GeForce 7300. I have the same OS that I did last year, Windows XP Home, and I'm having the same problem with the small window at the end of each sequence.


The only thing different for you is S3?

Have there been any windows media player updates done?

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I am using the latest version of WMP, LOR 2.9.4, and XP service pack 3.

I don't have the resizing issue, but to avoid a blue background, even momentarily between songs, when I set it up I opted to use a black windows (desktop) background.. just in case! :P Originally I was going to change it back after Christmas last year, but never got around to it...

I can see how you could have a momentary flash of your desktop as you change between songs (which you can avoid by running a black background), but I am not sure why it would resize?? :?

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I use a blck background on my desktop too. Actually I'm not using a background, which makes the desktop black anyway. I think I did use a black background last year. I'll try that again and see what happens.

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I had (have) the same issue (with s2), havn't tried with S3 yet), my resolution was to use a black desktop, that way when it popped up their wans't anything to see.

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I just went back on some of my older posts and found that I did have the same issue last year, as did others. I'm using S3. I have tried no background (black) and a blackjpg as the background and have the same issue. I'm just not going to worry about it. To me it's a small price to pay for the ability to play videos.

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I found a temporary fix (at least it worked for me). If I do not put LOR into "Full Screen" mode and let the small box appear, then I can resize the box to "almost full screen" and it worked for me. You have to be careful not to maximize the box or it creates an error, but one time per show is better than nothing. If you do this for the first show, all others will be the same. Hope I explained it ok.
Tom

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I tell you, I'm glad to hear that I'm not the only one that has the issue. I just hate to "live" with it this year. Anyway, of interest, Ive noticed it only seems to happen when running in a show, not when playing it from the sequence editor. Also, I'm running XP, and it is set up as a second monitor on the computer. I've tried different resolutions, and it does not make a difference. I'm not 100% sure if I've got the mot up to date version of media player. I'll look into that. Anyone have any other thoughts?

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My problem happens randomly when running the show or sequence editor. Sometimes it happens, sometimes it normal (full screen).

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OK, so it seems the issue then is only the resizing one some seem to be experiencing, as with using a black background you will not see anything desktop related between songs.

Since I don't have the resizing issue on my end, and I run 2.9.4 it must relate to a windows (WMP) issue, as if it was a LOR issue I would think I would be experiencing it as well.

Also it seems odd that it runs OK when using your sequence editor, but when running a show (which essentially calls your sequences) it resizes. That has me stumped.

Perhaps Bob, or one of our more experienced LOR software folks can weigh in.

Greg

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Greg Young wrote:

OK, so it seems the issue then is only the resizing one some seem to be experiencing, as with using a black background you will not see anything desktop related between songs.

Since I don't have the resizing issue on my end, and I run 2.9.4 it must relate to a windows (WMP) issue, as if it was a LOR issue I would think I would be experiencing it as well.

Also it seems odd that it runs OK when using your sequence editor, but when running a show (which essentially calls your sequences) it resizes. That has me stumped.

Perhaps Bob, or one of our more experienced LOR software folks can weigh in.

Greg


Don't understand the "runs OK when using the sequence editor" myself. How does one run the sequence editor and see what happens when changing from one sequence to another?

The "window resizing' problem I see only happens between sequences.

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Paul Roberson wrote:

Greg Young wrote:
OK, so it seems the issue then is only the resizing one some seem to be experiencing, as with using a black background you will not see anything desktop related between songs.

Since I don't have the resizing issue on my end, and I run 2.9.4 it must relate to a windows (WMP) issue, as if it was a LOR issue I would think I would be experiencing it as well.

Also it seems odd that it runs OK when using your sequence editor, but when running a show (which essentially calls your sequences) it resizes. That has me stumped.

Perhaps Bob, or one of our more experienced LOR software folks can weigh in.

Greg


Don't understand the "runs OK when using the sequence editor" myself. How does one run the sequence editor and see what happens when changing from one sequence to another?

The "window resizing' problem I see only happens between sequences.


I agree Paul. I can't figure that out either! :?

I thought the only way it could resize is between individual sequences, but perhaps some have seen it occur in the middle of sequences. It's hard to guess when you haven't seen the issue yourself...

It would appear the issue lies somewhere in the LOR <-> WMP interfacing, once the dual monitor setup issue was ruled out, which is why I asked earlier if they were using avi files vs wmp, to see if the avi might not show this same resizing between songs that wmv files do. There are a few variables here, which could acount for differing results...

If I am about the only one not getting resizing, then I'm the odd man out. The other options are most don't run video, or those that don't have the issue are not posting in this thread...

Greg

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Update - I upgraded to S3 and a new pc running win 7 professional edition at the same time.
I now have the resizing issues folks have been talking about when running a show.
I suspect it relates to how win 7 is dealing with wmp, and is not specifically a problem with the LOR software itself, but that is pure speculation on my part.
Will spend some time playing with it when I get some time (too busy with other hobbies this time of year), and then let folks know what I find out.
Greg

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Greg Young wrote:

Update - I upgraded to S3 and a new pc running win 7 professional edition at the same time.
I now have the resizing issues folks have been talking about when running a show.
I suspect it relates to how win 7 is dealing with wmp, and is not specifically a problem with the LOR software itself, but that is pure speculation on my part.
Will spend some time playing with it when I get some time (too busy with other hobbies this time of year), and then let folks know what I find out.
Greg


Hate that you are having the resizing problems now, but at least we now have another person to help us figure out how to stop it.:P
I think it would be nice if S3 could/would keep the windows video 'in focus' during the whole show (until shutdown). Therefore avoiding any changes to the video window between sequences. Not sure if this is possible or would cause other problems though.
Certainly understand the 'too busy with other 'hobbies' this time of year'.:cool:

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Hi Paul, and group
I did take some time to file a help ticket with LOR. Here is what they told me today:

In S3 we updated the video player to the latest/greatest per Microsoft specs. Think WMP (Windows Media Player)
Pick one short video and focus on making it work right in your new computer/OS/S3 environment. Try rendering it in a different format (.AVI or .WMV) or different resolution and run your tests again to see if anything changes. You'll soon zero in on the right combination of variables to make everything work great.
We hope this has sufficiently answered your questions

I wonder if the change in wmp (when we upgraded from XP)may have affected the resizing issue we are all finding. The problem in my case is I upgraded to S3 when I got the new pc running win 7, so I did what I tell people never to do - make 2 changes at once. So it will be more challenging to see which is the culprit - wmp/win 7 or the LOR software.
Other software I run uses both displays properly, and since you all experienced this issue under win 7, before S3 if I am correct, I am thinking it's something between LOR (S2 and S3) and wmp in win 7.

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For what it's worth I've been seeing something like this, but not quite as bad (smaller frame), ever since doing video 3 seasons ago (with S2 obviously). I've been living with it, and would love to find a fix. I'll be using S3 this year as well.

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I took some time out from other activities to try a few things.
I converted a few of the wmv files to avi,and noted no difference in the issue.
When I dragged a video to the second screen (that will be replaced by the projector during the season)for any one sequence, as long as I kept the sequence editor active, all the other videos also appeared on the 2nd screen when I ran them just as they should (and used to under win XP), except they all ran minimized. I would stretch them back out to size, save the sequence, but the next time I ran that sequence it opened minimized again.
Here's the part I didn't catch before - once I closed out of the sequence editor, and then re-entered it, all the videos came back minimized as before but this time unfortunately they also appeared back on the main screen..
When I played them with wmp they played fine on either screen I selected, so I think I have ruled out a file/wmp issue.

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Yes, I had the problem with S2 and vista. Was using AL stuff before vista.

It looks to me like the LOR software (S2 or S3) actually 'releases' WMP after every sequence then 're-opens' it. This causes the flash of the desktop, or screen to minimize then maximize again.

Not 100% sure I am right, but looks like that is what is happening. I don't think any different video formats will solve this problem.

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