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I don't know if i should even say anything but I will. I cant blame someone for wanting to make some extra money. But would like to say thank you to the people out there that help for free. I along with lots of guys are new and like to try to figure it out and learn from those of you that got it, and are willing to give us a hand. I'm definitely a newbie and have no computer skills but enjoy tyring to figure it out. so thank you for giving me the privilege to look over you sequences to learn and shape them to fit my needs.

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evana wrote:

sorry, ... I still got the giggel's about what Robin said:]
You know that would make a great song. And here it is:

Baby, you know I got the giggles about what Robin said,
It wasn't me that made Robin get the bed.
But baby, I promise not to Whiz in Winter,
Cause nobody ever thanked me but Jeff.
Twang, Twang (Here is the guitar solo).


That has a catchy beat. The last couple lines didn't rhyme but I'm an artist (pronounced "Art Teest"),and I'm allowed poetic license. I'll sequence it for you for $350.
Al
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I also do custom sequencing for people. Why? Because I do it well and many people in this country value talent and good craftsmanship. Maybe folks hire me because they don't have the time or the patience or the skills to do it themselves. Maybe they hire me because they see my videos and like my work. Maybe they think my prices are ridiculously low and they need to get their order in before I wise up. Maybe they hire me because Richard Holdman is all booked up. Doesn't matter... Why do people hire carpenters or ditch-diggers or brain surgeons?

I have no problem with people freely sharing sequences they authored. It's called freeware. Nor do I have any problem with people who use existing sequences and adapt them for their display, because I've used plenty of freeware in my lifetime as well. When I was just starting with LOR I downloaded a free sequence or two just to see what they looked like and to have something to experiment with. I think that's something every newbie should do. From there on, though, it's up to each individual to determine what works for them. Not everyone has the skills to be a carpenter or an artist.

Personally, believing that I have something valuable and unique to offer, I've chosen not to give away my intellectual property, aka my personal artistic creations, aka my authored software code, aka my original sequences. But rather, in a display of true American capitalism I'll put a price on it and peddle my ass all over town.

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Al in Raleigh wrote:

I posted this song on LOR before. It has been downloaded 69 times without a single person saying thank you. Regardless, here it is again. I believe that sequences should be plentiful and free. I routinely give my sequences to the TASL group in Raleigh. 

If I could, I would give you the music too. However, you can download the mp3 for 99 cents here:
http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00138AJFY/ref=dm_mu_dp_trk7?ie=UTF8&qid=1226847236&sr=8-2

All is Well by Michael Smith
Merry Christmas.
Al
http://lightorama.mywowbb.com/attachment.php?id=9355


Thank you.
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Thank you, George!

At least there is one person out there that is not purposely going out of their way to try and take from me for no good reason.

I do, in fact encourage others to do their own and offer a free tutorial on my light show web site. I will even answer any questions that anyone has if they ask me.

I wonder how these people that are deliberately trying to hurt me would feel if I showed up at their place of business and harassed them or their company until they were fired or had to close their doors.

Like you said, why pay anyone for their talents.....because sometimes we just feel like paying someone else to do it. I am a Civil Engineer. When the City installed sewers I could have easily done the tie in for about $200, but I paid a contractor to do it BECAUSE I WANTED TO!!! I didn't follow the guy that solicited me around in my car and tell all his potential customers, "Hey, you can do this yourself. Why pay someone?"

Yes there are some very good free sequences out there. I used to give mine away for free, but saw an opportunity and took it. Like you said, it's called Capitalism and it is what makes this country great. The bottom line on that is that YOU STILL have to take that free sequence and spend hours trying to get it to match your own configuration.

What really bothers me is when I ask the person who started this attack to please stop nicely, I get called an idiot in a PM. I expected a little bit more from the caliber of people in this forum.

THE BOTTOM LINE:

For those of you that want to do your own sequencing, I applaud you. Feel free to ask me any questions at all and I will do my best to help.

For those of you that want a quality sequenced show and enjoy all the wonderful features that LOR offers, but simply don't have the time, patience or desire to do them yourself, I thank you for your business.

Perhaps when this country veers OFF the path of socialism and people like this finally realize that everything is, in fact, NOT FREE, the economy will change such that I can give them away for free again.

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Robin wrote:

Does anyone have Wizards in Winter? Or is it Wizards of Winter?

OMG...we woke robin up. Glad to see you around.
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Robin wrote:

Does anyone have Wizards in Winter? Or is it Wizards of Winter?

About time I see you post a smart @zz comment.
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nmonkman wrote:


At least there is one person out there that is not purposely going out of their way to try and take from me for no good reason.

I wonder how these people that are deliberately trying to hurt me would feel if I showed up at their place of business and harassed them or their company until they were fired or had to close their doors.

I think some folks need to take a chill pill, as it were.

I believe folks can choose to give away their sequences or sell their expertise.

Sometimes, it's the blatant advertising that gets some folks, though.

I don't frequent this board as much as some others, so I don't know how much this goes on here, but seeing folks post often about their "sequences for sale" can be annoying.

And complaining about how folks are "hurting you" won't win you many brownie points, either.

Now back to your regularly scheduled programming...
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nmonkman wrote:

I do it because this is the USA and it is called free enterprise.


It kinda goes along with the desire to be a complete idiot, if you choose.

I sequence for people that simply want a animated show and dont have the time, patience or skills to do it themselves. If they wanted to learn it, they would not come to me or others that sell sequences.

What you are forgetting about the sequences that you are posting here is that they STILL have to be configured to ones own channel lay out.

Why I do it or why people pay me to do it is really none of your business. Regardless of the number of "free" sequences out there, people still come to me.

Oh yeah, lets not forget the lousy caliber of most (not all) the free sequences out there. None of them are near the level of detail of mine or others who do it professionally.

Go ahead and post away, I will still have my customers coming to me.


I see nothing wrong with someone selling their expertise. This being my first year, I've bought a few sequences and have also elected to download a few free sequences. I learn better by seeing & doing rather than reading.

Most paid and free sequences have to be re-assigned to match my particular show. This is great as it gives me an opportunity to learn how to use the software. But sometimes I get frustrated, lost or don't understand some things. I come to these forums to find my answers. Now, mind you, I only have a few channels to deal with, so most of it is pretty easy. But, if and when I get up to 100 channels (just a random number), I will probably be looking for someone to make my sequences to match my show. Who knows, maybe a 100 years from now I may become as good as nmonkman and partner up with him. We promise not to twist your arms and make you buy.

In all fairness, there are some really good people out there that make great sequences and offer them for free. I thank you for this, for without them I would not be able to afford buying more equipment, lights and most of all, extension cords.

Thank you all for letting me babble on. And most importantly, thank you for being there for me.

MikeH
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Why do people feel the need to criticize someone who OFFERS to do custom sequences in exchange for money?:?

It's not like they are passing legislation REQUIRING you to purchase something they want to sell.:shock:

I could understand the problem if someone started a "I have free sequences" thread and someone posted in that thread that they had sequences for sale. That would be very annoying.

I have seen people pushing their product on here and other boards in every thread possible trying their best to make connections to whatever is being said to the product they are trying to sell.

Seems there must be an underlying problem going on here..........

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Paul Roberson wrote:

It's not like they are passing legislation REQUIRING you to purchase something they want to sell.:shock:




Not to politicize this, but you haven't taken a look at the Health Care Bill, have you :D:D:D

D.T.
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If you want to sell your sequences go ahead but just don't continue to advertise on here over and over. IT GETS OLD. I give sequences but what I get mad at, is when you get asked for one of your sequences and send it to them many sequences. You ask for one the next day in return and you don't hear a damn word out of them even months after asking over and over. After about 5 e-mail I gave up. Not to bust him out but JEFFREY SANDIEGO So much for sending them. EXPLICIT WORDS HERE



Date: Sun, 21 Nov 2010 23:29:42 -0800
From: sandiegojeffreym@yahoo.com
Subject: Re: To: friskybri@hotmail.com



ok need 2 send tommorow to you . jeffrey




From: brian jones
To: jeffrey sandiego
Also if you think there are others just name the song and I will look in my inventory. Over the past two years everyone that has been posted I downloaded just because. Keep in a file

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I think I can settle this once and for all. All of you that posted, just send me two sequeces, 48 channels, half of a mega tree at 12 channels, and I will judge who is the best and if they should get paid for what they do. I will send you a pic of my layout. I will be honest and fair,I promise. If interested, send me a PM and will send you my email.:D

By the way, if you want to throw in a controller to make it 64, I may have to give you extra points.

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shfr26 wrote:

I think I can settle this once and for all. All of you that posted, just send me two sequeces, 48 channels, half of a mega tree at 12 channels, and I will judge who is the best and if they should get paid for what they do. I will send you a pic of my layout. I will be honest and fair,I promise. If interested, send me a PM and will send you my email.:D

By the way, if you want to throw in a controller to make it 64, I may have to give you extra points.


Thats just it.

The ones who are posting "I give my sequences away, I would never charge for them" are not giving away custom sequences.
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I've had the pleasure of getting some sequences from just about everyone that has contributed to this thread, quite a few from Evan, Jeff, and Paul actually. Even Monkman before he started charging. He has an awesome Pirates mix that runs close to 5 minutes. I've always said thanks up front, and with all of that help I've been compelled to always share work I've done. While I have no problem with anyone trying to make a couple bucks it's not anything I would do on either side of the coin. It costs enough already to do this hobby between lights, controllers, cords, and materials to build elements. If you can afford to pay mucho bucks for sequences that aren't at reduced prices more power to you. As I get up in channels more $50 is cheap. But as mentioned before, with the help I've got in the past for free myself it wouldn't feel right to turn around and charge someone for one. Another thing we've seen from a few of the sequence for hire people is the problem with getting work done for their customers.

Again it's awesome their are so many that are willing to share and I only hope they keep at it. I know I plan to....

Lenny

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Paul Roberson wrote:

Thats just it.

The ones who are posting "I give my sequences away, I would never charge for them" are not giving away custom sequences.

That's not true...

90% of mine are my own...

but I guess it depends on your meaning of "custom"...meaning custom to THIER display only...

are the same people who are complaining about "advertising the sale of sequences" also complaining about the "sale of hardware and software" (ie; RGB floods, RGB Spots, RGB software)...

I myself have not seen any...so why complain about selling sequences...

PROFIT is not a dirty word...

unless you're a Liberal Democrat... :D
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