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    Ham Radio - WB5JJJ
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    Halloween and Christmas

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    4.2.12
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  1. Matt, you mention v4.3 PE with new features and your signature shows v4.3.4. I've got v4.2.12 Pro, but when I go to the LOR download pages, I don't see anything newer, such as v4.3.xx. Is this something yet to be released?
  2. Thanks Dennis, it now works as expected. Just missed a couple of steps as I suspected. I knew it had to be an Enhanced Network, but just didn't look for places in SE and HU to select this. OVERSIGHT..... UPDATED for others to read: Just received a G3-MP3 Director and CCP100D Pixel set from LOR this week. This is my first step in getting into the pixel mode after years of conventional LOR Sequencing with both LED and incandescent. This is all new to me. So, I'm missing something here. Probably something I've overlooked or just don't understand the concept as I should. In SE I used a 30 second audio file to create a musical sequence. Used the defaults of Regular LOR controller 01, 8 channels. Did some random sequencing of nonsensical lighting. Saved this file as "Pixel Star.lms" and exited SE. Opened PE and went to Tools >> Manage Previews and clicked on NEW. Gave it a name of "Pixel Star". Selected Prop >> New and named the Prop "Pixel Star". Under Lights, selected RGB and RGB Pixels. Under Shape, drop down to Star, 2 strings, 50 nodes, 5 points and Top-Clockwise. Under Channel, selected LOR, 320 (per information in CCB/P manual, 50x3, +10 intensity channels per string), unchecked Individual and Separate. For #1, selected under Network, Aux A, and specified Unit # 02. This gave me #1 Aux A 02, Start 1, End 150 and #2, again under Network, selected Aux A, this gave me #2 Aux A 02, Start 151 and End 300. Saved that page. Saved the Preview Design dialog. Closed Preview List with OK. Still in PE, File >> Open >> "Pixel Star.lms" and Select Preview "Pixel Star" then OK. Clicked Effect Generator to open that page. Left side drop down selected Butterfly, and took all defaults. Nothing done to mixer or Right. Star is multi-color going counter clockwise. Clicked OK. Back on the sequencing page, clicked the Green ON square and highlighted the top line of Pixel Star for the entire 30 seconds and it shows white all the way to the end. Clicking the Green PLAY button causes the Butterfly Star effect to show in the Left side. Again as expected. Now File >> Save and File >> Save Intensity Data File and shows successful, click OK. Close PE. Back in SE, Open File "Pixel Star.lms" and it seems OK. Have the BLUE Pixel Props line at the bottom. Click the "+" left of the Props and it shows Pixel Star, click on that and it shows LOR Aux A 02 1-300 (not 320). But only 300 channels were allocated in PE channel setup even though 320 were specified. A STEP I MISSED. While still in SE, go to Edit >> Preferences >> Network Preferences, click on Aux A and check "Enhanced LOR Network" at bottom of dialog box and click OK. Click Apply and then OK to exit Network Configuration dialog box. Save and exit SE. Open HU and connect CCP100D to RS-485 adapter, Refresh to insure that the CCP100D is actually readdressed to 02, which it is. Unhook the CAT5 from the RS-485 adapter. Now select LOR MP3 tab at top. Take all the defaults for simplicity. Add Seq "Pixel Star.lms" and it shows green as it loads. Now click Create Show and the Save to SD dialog opens. Taking all defaults except for checking "SD Card is for new G3 Director", "With Dual Ports" and I MISSED THIS STEP ALSO. At the bottom of the Select Protocol section Net 2, check "Output LOR Enhanced". Place show on SD card and successful competition. The G3-MP3 is connected via Net 2 to the CCP100D, its green LED and the red LED on the G3-MP3 are both flashing at this point. Place SD card in the G3-MP3 and "init" appears for about 10 seconds and both LED's stop flashing and come on steady. Then 1-01 and current time swap back and forth while the red LED on the G3-MP3 goes dark for a couple seconds and then comes back on with occasional periods of fading in and out. IT NOW WORKS. Again, thanks Dennis for pointing me in the right direction.
  3. Read post #23 for a solution UPDATE: Just received a G3-MP3 Director and CCP100D Pixel set from LOR this week. This is my first step in getting into the pixel mode after years of conventional LOR Sequencing with both LED and incandescent. This is all new to me. So, I'm missing something here. Probably something I've overlooked or just don't understand the concept as I should. In SE I used a 30 second audio file to create a musical sequence. Used the defaults of Regular LOR controller 01, 8 channels. Did some random sequencing of nonsensical lighting. Saved this file as "Pixel Star.lms" and exited SE. Opened PE and went to Tools >> Manage Previews and clicked on NEW. Gave it a name of "Pixel Star". Selected Prop >> New and named the Prop "Pixel Star". Under Lights, selected RGB and RGB Pixels. Under Shape, drop down to Star, 2 strings, 50 nodes, 5 points and Top-Clockwise. Under Channel, selected LOR, 320 (per information in CCB/P manual, 50x3, +10 intensity channels per string), unchecked Individual and Separate. For #1, selected under Network, Aux A, and specified Unit # 02. This gave me #1 Aux A 02, Start 1, End 150 and #2, again under Network, selected Aux A, this gave me #2 Aux A 02, Start 151 and End 300. Saved that page. Saved the Preview Design dialog. Closed Preview List with OK. Still in PE, File >> Open >> "Pixel Star.lms" and Select Preview "Pixel Star" then OK. Clicked Effect Generator to open that page. Left side drop down selected Butterfly, and took all defaults. Nothing done to mixer or Right. Star is multi-color going counter clockwise. Clicked OK. Back on the sequencing page, clicked the Green ON square and highlighted the top line of Pixel Star for the entire 30 seconds and it shows white all the way to the end. Clicking the Green PLAY button causes the Butterfly Star effect to show in the Left side. Again as expected. Now File >> Save and File >> Save Intensity Data File and shows successful, click OK. Close PE. Back in SE, Open File "Pixel Star.lms" and it seems OK. Have the BLUE Pixel Props line at the bottom. Click the "+" left of the Props and it shows Pixel Star, click on that and it shows LOR Aux A 02 1-300 (not 320). But only 300 channels were allocated in PE channel setup even though 320 were specified. Save and exit SE. Open HU and connect CCP100D to RS-485 adapter, Refresh to insure that the CCP100D is actually readdressed to 02, which it is. Unhook the CAT5 from the RS-485 adapter. Now select LOR MP3 tab at top. Take all the defaults for simplicity. Add Seq "Pixel Star.lms" and it shows green as it loads. Now click Create Show and the Save to SD dialog opens. Taking all defaults except for checking "SD Card is for new G3 Director" and "With Dual Ports". Place show on SD card and successful competition. The G3-MP3 is connected via Net 1 (or Net 2) to the CCP100D, its green LED and the red LED on the G3-MP3 are both flashing at this point. Place SD card in the G3-MP3 and "init" appears for about 10 seconds and both LED's stop flashing and come on steady. Then 1-01 and current time swap back and forth while the red LED on the G3-MP3 goes dark, the green LED on the CCP100D stays steady. This is where it stops. Nothing happens with the lights even though they were tested over and over via the HU and all seem to be working and the controller channel is right. I have tried both Net 1 and Net 2 on the G3-MP3 with the same results. I've even checked and changed the CAT5 cable between them even though it checks and works fine with the HU and the CCP100D unit.
  4. Dennis: What I did was to open PE and then File >> Open a working SE file. PE loaded the file and music just fine. Created the star (again) and plugged it into the sequence at the proper times. Saved the file and the "intensities File". Then I exited the PE and opened SE and then did a File >> Open on the same file and all was good as it grabbed the Intensity Files as it should. The SE and MP3 were still there (of course) and the PE Intensity File info was at the bottom of the screen. The only problem was that I didn't set the Device ID I wanted in PE. So I went back into PE and fixed that. Opened the sequence back up in SE and it looks like it will work. Next, I opened HU and added the SE file and was able to identify BOTH ports (Legacy and Enhanced) for the G3-MP3 Director, set the proper (recommended) speeds and saved the files on an SD card. So far so good. Now to get the G3-MP3 and the CCP-100D ordered and that will be the final test. But I think it will work. I just could not understand how 2 programs would combine their individual efforts to a single output. The answers were there, just not easy to find at first. I might have never found all the answers until you gave me some direction. The manuals are not at all in the most logical order for someone thinking about getting into pixels. Like many others, they were probably written by the coders/engineers that know the Suite inside and out. They leave out a lot of critical steps and explanations as to what is going on along the way. The flow could be outlined a LOT better, even if just a stand alone guide for first-timers. Once someone figures it out, they can kinda see the logic, but the other way around it is very frustrating especially for me as a retired engineer and former coder. When I was coding, I would give someone the instructions to the software module and see where they got stymied -- fix that spot in the instructions and try again until someone that had never seen the instructions could go to the final step without any calls for help, even though they may have had no clue what the program was going to do. Then you know, you've done your job -- or found your replacement. Thanks. I knew someone would get me kick-started on this eventually.
  5. I just moved a couple of test sequences to a Win10 laptop and now get this same error on every sequence I load. These same files play nice together on another desktop, also Win 10, that I've been using for some time with no problems. LOR Suite v 4.2.12 Pro Also did this with the Advanced level, same laptop before upgrading. What's up?
  6. My main question still remains unanswered. Let me put it another way that might shed some light on it. 1) I have been using LOR for 5 or 6 years with what is now old school sequences (SE) and controllers listed above. I have updated SE to the latest version at S4 Advanced level. I know I'll need S4 Pro and a G3-MP3 to move ahead with pixels. No problem. 2) I'm looking at the CCP-100D pixels to update an existing 4' star that is in most of my sequences. Currently the star is running on SE and the colors are called up by channel when needed, as dumb RGBW strings. 3) I would like to update the star using pixels instead of the dumb RGBW strings to EXISTING SE sequences. How do I do this? In other words, I have Song 1 all sequenced in SE with the current star and now I want to delete the RGBW channels for the star and add the "new" pixel star back where the original star was without coding 300 channels manually. So, I would be using PE to create the pixel sequences ALONG with the existing SE sequence for all of my playlists. 4) I have all of the current star RGBW cue points and those could be recreated in PE. But how do I merge, or can I merge, the PE sequence back into the SE sequence to get Song 1 to play using both the original SE sequence and the new PE sequence? Or stated another way, how can I access both versions (PE and SE) of Song 1 for playback in my show at the same time? 5) I understand the concept of the G3-MP3 with dual network outputs and that should be easily addressed and workable in my setting. I will be using the G3-MP3 and SD cards to run the shows and not a computer. From what I've been able to find out, which is nothing, therefore can I only assume that this is not possible? Surely there must be a way to use both SE and PE without trashing all old controllers and sequences and updating everything at once to PE. I must be missing something.
  7. Thanks for the insight. All board LED's are RED ones. So that answers many questions. I think, for the time being, I will just use the G3-MP3 as two networks with Legacy and Enhanced outputs. Now all I need to do is figure out how to get my CCP-100D sequences added to my SE (legacy) sequences so both are called up by one filename to play. A typo got into my previous. The CMB16D-QC v1 (Green board) is running v1.34 firmware Jim we have something in common other than ham radio. Our call signs are both triple letter - WB5JJJ here.
  8. My controllers all have the latest firmware, but they appear to be no longer updated as the newest unit is about 3-4 years old and the updates seemed to have stopped in the past year or so. I have 2 or more of each of these: CMB16D-QC v1 (Green board) v1.30 firmware CTB16PC v1 (Green board) v4.32 firmware CTB16PC v2 (Green board) v4.40 firmware CTB16D v5 (Blue board) v4.32 firmware CTB16D v5 (Blue board) v4.32 firmware CTB16D v6 (Blue board) v4.32 firmware and one each of: IDMX1000 v1.5 firmware DC-MP3 v4.20 firmware The DC-MP3 is currently the most critical part of my whole display, so I was already planning to get a G3-MP3 when they go on sale as a backup controlling device. And for the present time, I plan to continue using the SD card in the MP3 Director or the G3-MP3 Director as that is so much more reliable than a computer. Plus it's so easy to change a show -- card out, card in, new show running. I can have several SD cards at the ready and change shows in seconds if the need arises. So, I guess my real question is, how do I tell if all this will work in the enhanced mode so I can use the CCP-100D on my current network and not have to pull a single wire to the CCP-100D location? I'm only looking at the one pixel unit right now and how it works out may determine adding more.
  9. I have always used the Hardware Utility to program the SD cards for my DC-MP3 Director which is so much easier to deal with than a computer. If I purchase the G3-MP3 Director (which I'm not opposed to doing) what’s the next step? After loading the SE sequence I want to add a PE element. In the Tools >> Channel Configuration, it appears that after I click add a controller, I select LOR Controller and put it in Network Aux A. Can this 2nd network start with ID 01 again, or do I have to add an ID after the legacy network such as 12? And how many channels do I choose for the CCP-100D? It actually has 300, but in the tutorial, they created just one but there was no reverse-linking back to an existing SE sequence. I've created a non-musical sequence in the Pixel Editor following the tutorial - it all appears to be good and well as it will be a "filler" between shows. Now, if I want to add a PE element to an existing musical sequence that works great in SE with my Legacy controllers, how do I merge the PE sequence into the SE sequence to load into the Hardware Utility to create the SD card for the G3-MP3? Obviously both the Legacy and Enhanced networks must be "on the same page" and in sync even though they may be running at different communication speeds. This is a lot to wrap ones head around after being so straight forward thinking for many years with LOR. Progress comes with headaches.
  10. So glad I found this thread as I was about to invest money that would not produce expected results. Now it looks like a minimum of about $600 (upgrade from S4 Advanced to Pro, the CCP-100D pixels and a G3-MP3 Director) to add just a 100 pixel star (I already have the star form) to my display -- kinda steep. Was not planning on the G3-MP3 initially, but it appears to be necessary to run Legacy and Enhanced networks. I agree that there should be some MAJOR disclosures on pages that require an enhanced network to use pixel controllers and what extra items will be necessary to convert existing networks to enhanced in order to work together. I will move forward, but at a much slower pace.
  11. Frequently I adjust something in a couple of my mp3 files. It might be trim something out, re-record a voice over or whatever, so it's now longer/shorter or just different from the original that was attached to the sequence. Is there a way to tell S3 to just "forget" the media file for a sequence so you can now reload the same filename (after modification by another program) into the sequence? Otherwise, I have to rename the mp3 and then I can load the altered version into the sequence. I end up with a bunch of similar filenames that must be deleted to avoid confusion after I've slept.
  12. Just a wishlist comment for HU. Over the years, I have learned how to make sure my songs are in the right sequence when loading to the SD Cards. They all start with a number (000-999) so I can insert/delete songs at the appropriate spot and have the sequences and music easy to manage. I've noticed that in order for a group "add seq" to be listed properly, I have to click on the highest numbered (last) song and then shift-click on the lowest number (first) song in order for them to by listed as desired. If I click the first, shift-click on the last, the order is fine except the last song is always listed at the top of the list. I then have to either repeat "move down" to put it at the bottom or delete it and add it again, then it will be at the bottom. I stumbled on this last-first by accident to keep things in order years ago and it's still true with v3.9.0 Also, bulk "remove seq" (ability to click first and shift-click last) or a "remove all seq" button would be nice as well. Usually I exit HU and restart it in order to create a new show sequence that otherwise would have the same play format as the one I just finished or click "remove seq" many times to delete all elements so new ones can be added for the same days/times/ect for a different show each night when otherwise everything else is unchanged.
  13. Thanks so much Mike for checking into this. It was nice to know the status of the write, especially on large numbers of files.
  14. I just used the v3.9.0 Hardware Utility to update my show to an SD Card. I miss the writing to SD Card status bar showing that it's actually doing something. Please bring it back.
  15. Love the mock-ups and it should be very easy to implement and not take the web guy very long to do. I know the last web producer that worked for me could have the solution up and running in less than 15 minutes. Sometimes he could not see the forest for the trees, but give him a task and it was done before I got back to my desk. That's why he's making more money than me now, but I am also retired and he's not even 25. Plus LOR's webber may/may not be in product development anyway. It would do what the user should have done - a users CYA step. A real-time check of what's authorized on the computer downloading the file would be perfect. If it's not the LOR computer, then at least you would have all kinds of warnings and a chance to upgrade during the process before installing it on your LOR machine during crunch time for many. Frustration and headaches pretty much solved. It's in your face, if you don't pay attention to such dialog boxes, you deserve the problem.
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