eurbani Posted July 30, 2014 Share Posted July 30, 2014 I'm increasing my channel count significantly this year. I will have 584 AC channels and 5 CCRs. Should I be adding a second network? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bizywk Posted July 30, 2014 Share Posted July 30, 2014 Maybe a second electrical meter That has to be quite a display. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eurbani Posted July 30, 2014 Author Share Posted July 30, 2014 Maybe a second electrical meter That has to be quite a display.I will be 90% LED this year and somewhere between 50-60K lights. I just like the ability to micro manage the lights and control everything independently. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Don Posted July 30, 2014 Share Posted July 30, 2014 If only for the 5 CCR's, yes, add a second network. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ezimnow Posted July 30, 2014 Share Posted July 30, 2014 Are there any guide lines out there to help you decide if you are exceeding what a network can handle and when to think about setting up a new network? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eurbani Posted July 30, 2014 Author Share Posted July 30, 2014 Are there any guide lines out there to help you decide if you are exceeding what a network can handle and when to think about setting up a new network?Inquiring minds want to know. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ezimnow Posted July 31, 2014 Share Posted July 31, 2014 (edited) Found this ......seek and ye shall find http://forums.lighto...-more-channels/ Edited July 31, 2014 by ezimnow Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ItsMeBobO Posted July 31, 2014 Share Posted July 31, 2014 Last two years I used 10 networks. I have two of these 10 port hubs, for everything usb. I break networks down by speed and how they are used. Several old AC controllers on regular speed. All the CCx on highest speed with 200-400 pixels per network. An arch can miss a few commands and you wont notice. But a pattern on a matrix missing a command will draw your eye right to it. Matrix get few pixels per network. How hard you push your CCx will definitely impact your need for a dedicated network. If you set all 50 pixels to white (r + g + at the same time that is a lot of commands 150. You can set resolution to 1 and pixel 1 to white and get the same effect with 1/50th of the commands. http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817397019 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eurbani Posted July 31, 2014 Author Share Posted July 31, 2014 Last two years I used 10 networks. I have two of these 10 port hubs, for everything usb. I break networks down by speed and how they are used. Several old AC controllers on regular speed. All the CCx on highest speed with 200-400 pixels per network. An arch can miss a few commands and you wont notice. But a pattern on a matrix missing a command will draw your eye right to it. Matrix get few pixels per network. How hard you push your CCx will definitely impact your need for a dedicated network. If you set all 50 pixels to white (r + g + at the same time that is a lot of commands 150. You can set resolution to 1 and pixel 1 to white and get the same effect with 1/50th of the commands. http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817397019Thanks Bob. You can't set resolution on the go, right? Like in the middle of a sequence. That is something with the hardware utility, correct? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eurbani Posted July 31, 2014 Author Share Posted July 31, 2014 Found this ......seek and ye shall find http://forums.lighto...-more-channels/OK, I'm an idiot (apparently), I have searched the forums and can't find this post. Could you please (pretty please) post title of the post so I can find it. I'm seeking, but not finding. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ezimnow Posted July 31, 2014 Share Posted July 31, 2014 (edited) how many channels can lor handle - LOR S3 Software Suite - Light-O ...forums.lightorama.com/index.php?/topic/26444-how...channels...Cached http://forums.lightorama.com/index.php?/topic/26444-how-many-channels-can-lor-handle/ hope this helps check out James Campbells thread.....(2nd one) Edited July 31, 2014 by ezimnow Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ItsMeBobO Posted July 31, 2014 Share Posted July 31, 2014 There are many choices which impact this. And many areas where improvement is needed. Sometimes people cross topics and obscure some positive things while discussing an issue. I cant speak to the mega displays as I dont have one. Just a measly 2400 pixels (all LOR) & 12 AC controllers about 7350 controlled channels. I am satisfied with my 2013 show results on network response to all my pixels. But I had to expend extra effort with network setup to achieve it. One of the major snags people have is the visualizer favoring LOR controllers over DMX. It limits and imposes setup issues on DMX pixels which people are choosing due to cost. Upgrades are promised but uncertain. I have not been impacted by this since I have at this time only LOR controllers. There are lots of software options people are trying and switching to with success. There seems to be a lot of worry about the upper limits of S3. Most people are not there and LOR can handle it. If you are just adding your first pixel tree it will all work very well. There is a whole other topic about diy versus pnp. If you are going with LOR plug and play controllers, then you have lots of breathing room to expand and have a successful show by adding networks with each batch of pixel controllers. how many channels can lor handle - LOR S3 Software Suite - Light-O ...forums.lightorama.com/index.php?/topic/26444-how...channels...Cached http://forums.lightorama.com/index.php?/topic/26444-how-many-channels-can-lor-handle/ hope this helps check out James Campbells thread.....(2nd one) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ItsMeBobO Posted July 31, 2014 Share Posted July 31, 2014 You can change the resolution on the fly. Its the first macro channel (151) on LOR pixel controller setups. Its very useful and often ignored. Not sure but I think this is due to the mixture of pixel types and controllers people use and also the effect generators including SS are generic. Thanks Bob. You can't set resolution on the go, right? Like in the middle of a sequence. That is something with the hardware utility, correct? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1983ss454 Posted July 31, 2014 Share Posted July 31, 2014 You can change the resolution on the fly. Its the first macro channel (151) on LOR pixel controller setups. Its very useful and often ignored. Not sure but I think this is due to the mixture of pixel types and controllers people use and also the effect generators including SS are generic. Thanks Bob. You can't set resolution on the go, right? Like in the middle of a sequence. That is something with the hardware utility, correct? Honestly I've done a ton of research on that, and the problem I ran into is that if your not computer tech savvy then the paperwork they give you that explains the macro channels you almost need to be an engineer to figure it out. Everytime some one asks people just say "oh it's easy, read your documentation". I gave up trying to use them because after weeks of trying I couldn't make them work. There should be videos on the LOR website explaining it, if so more people I'm sure would use it. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ItsMeBobO Posted July 31, 2014 Share Posted July 31, 2014 Yes I agree. The resolution is overlooked and not talked about or explained. look here for Macro Maestro. http://itsmebob.com/SD.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LightguyGreg Posted August 1, 2014 Share Posted August 1, 2014 Last two years I used 10 networks. I have two of these 10 port hubs, for everything usb. I break networks down by speed and how they are used. Several old AC controllers on regular speed. All the CCx on highest speed with 200-400 pixels per network. An arch can miss a few commands and you wont notice. But a pattern on a matrix missing a command will draw your eye right to it. Matrix get few pixels per network. How hard you push your CCx will definitely impact your need for a dedicated network. If you set all 50 pixels to white (r + g + at the same time that is a lot of commands 150. You can set resolution to 1 and pixel 1 to white and get the same effect with 1/50th of the commands. http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817397019So forgive this dumb question: Let's say I currently have 3 usb ports on my computer (I'm running parallels on a mac to get to the PC side) with 3 networks (regular for my six 16 channel controllers, Aux A for 6-CCR's and Aux B for the other 2-CCR's, 12 dumb pixel strips and 400 CCP's. Lets say I was to buy the hub as you suggest and plug it to one of the three USB ports on the mac- will that just expand that Com port for example or will it give me 10 discrete usb outputs that each will correspond to their own Com port? Any clarification would be great. Thanks! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeff Messer Posted August 3, 2014 Share Posted August 3, 2014 (edited) I use the 485 to usb to control over 360 channels of ac channels. I have networked one switch to all my e1.31 stuff. I have three switches in the yard this year and I do run from switch to switch. The show ran great last year with only network issues on the ac channels that I created myself. I have 12 cards on one network carrying almost 10,000 channels this year. Lats year show was over 500 ac channels with 5 cards of either a j1sys or sandevice on a single network. All my cables are buried and this does cause me an issue but I did install enough to break it into two networks if I need to. Edited August 3, 2014 by Jeff Messer Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
k6ccc Posted August 4, 2014 Share Posted August 4, 2014 So forgive this dumb question: Let's say I currently have 3 usb ports on my computer (I'm running parallels on a mac to get to the PC side) with 3 networks (regular for my six 16 channel controllers, Aux A for 6-CCR's and Aux B for the other 2-CCR's, 12 dumb pixel strips and 400 CCP's. Lets say I was to buy the hub as you suggest and plug it to one of the three USB ports on the mac- will that just expand that Com port for example or will it give me 10 discrete usb outputs that each will correspond to their own Com port? Any clarification would be great. Thanks! It would give you 10 discrete outputs. Note that on a PC, you may very well need to shuffle a bit to git the ports straightened out. Windows tends to not understand that a USB device is the same when plugged into different USB ports. For example if the USB adapter that is your regular network happens to be Com3:, it may have some other comm port number when plugged into a different port (either on the hob or directly into the computer. Granted that later versions of Windows handle that better than earlier versions, but it's still not perfect. With you running parallels on a mac, I cant imagine that it will be any better. In any case, I strongly recommend a powered hub (which is the case with the one BobO suggested). BTW, for what it's worth. I turned up my second network today for my year round landscape lighting. My Aux A network will have a single 8 port AC controller on it that will have a maximum of 3 channels on it that for the most part will go fully on, and stay that way overnight and then go off in the morning. About the lightest loading ever on a LOR network! Now you may ask why I'm running a separate network for that one controller? That one controller is in a completely different direction, so although I could run my network cable over there and back to start the rest of the network, it's just easier to use a separate network. I connected my third network today as well, although it won't get used except for Christmas. It will have 300 nodes of CCBs on it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LightguyGreg Posted August 4, 2014 Share Posted August 4, 2014 Thanks Jim! That was exactly what I needed to know. Best Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PaulXmas Posted August 5, 2014 Share Posted August 5, 2014 Honestly I've done a ton of research on that, and the problem I ran into is that if your not computer tech savvy then the paperwork they give you that explains the macro channels you almost need to be an engineer to figure it out. Everytime some one asks people just say "oh it's easy, read your documentation". I gave up trying to use them because after weeks of trying I couldn't make them work. There should be videos on the LOR website explaining it, if so more people I'm sure would use it. I am in the same boat. I have read and tried to use macros and could never make them work.And I am a computer geek! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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