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| Posted: Wednesday November 24th, 2010 12:20 am |
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LightORamaJohn One of your administrators
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This guide shows you how to manipulate the CCR in the Hardware Utility & Sequence Editor: http://www.lightorama.com/Documents/CosmicColorPixel_Man_Web.pdf This guide shows you how to set the CCR up and play with it in the Hardware Utility: http://lightorama.com/Documents/QuickStartGuideForColorRibbon.pdf Latest CCR firmware -- v1.07: http://www.lightorama.com/downloads/CCR150D_V1-07.lhx
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| Posted: Wednesday November 24th, 2010 01:51 am |
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ItsMeBobO Member 
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Thank you ! What are Cosmic Color Bulbs? Did I miss a product announcement?
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| Posted: Wednesday November 24th, 2010 02:48 pm |
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Denise Nelson Member 
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Go to light-o-rama web site and click under Accessories and click on Cosmic Color Ribbon! They look great, but pricy.
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| Posted: Wednesday November 24th, 2010 03:41 pm |
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ItsMeBobO Member
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The posted link http://www.lightorama.com/Documents/CosmicColorPixel_Man_Web.pdf has this on the first page. New product number CB50D not on the store site. And new terminology, color pixel, to note a new product group with ribbon and bulb being members. RGB, Macro & Color Effect
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| Posted: Wednesday November 24th, 2010 06:20 pm |
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I want to see the color bulbs! I wonder how long they are, brightness, etc. Don't hold out on us Dan!  Last edited on Wednesday November 24th, 2010 06:21 pm by WayneKremer ____________________ Wayne Kremer http://www.nevadachristmas.com http://www.vividilluminations.com |
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| Posted: Wednesday November 24th, 2010 06:29 pm |
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rstately Member 
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I remember reading about a 50count rgb lightstring coming out, but no one seemed to comfirm it? And now , this seems like a long time with no responce?????
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| Posted: Thursday November 25th, 2010 02:09 am |
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LightORamaJohn One of your administrators
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Some info on the Cosmic Color Bulbs -- I was unable to take pictures of the device operating. The bulbs basically look the same color regardless of how dim I make them and/or how much I close the aperture. The individual bulbs are about the same brightness as the individual CCR LEDs and have the same color range. Side by side, a CCR at a particular color looks like a CCB at that color. There are 50 1.5" bulbs on 4" centers. You operate it exactly like a CCR. The CCR & CCB have the same application layer firmware. Same effects... The attached picture shows the string & prototype controller. You will notice that there are no network jacks on the controller. This is the first LOR controller to use PLC (Power Line Carrier) technology. You just plug these into extension cords and then plug the extension cord into an Injector which places the LOR or DMX data on the power line to the devices. LEDs are so low current that this scheme becomes practical because you can have so many on one 15 amp circuit. This controller includes a switching power supply so there is no separate power pack. The production controller will have network connectors for connection flexibility. It is also likely that the production controller will control two bulb strings -- making it 2 * 157 channels. This last thing has not been finalized. Attachment: Controller and Bulbs.JPG (Downloaded 2745 times)
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| Posted: Thursday November 25th, 2010 02:45 am |
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Well this is just going to open up a whole line of questions.... Is the PLC adapter going to be available from LOR? Do you just plug a cat-5 cable from the RS485 adapter to the PLC adapter? Do you happen to have a release date for the controller? How about a pricing point?
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| Posted: Thursday November 25th, 2010 04:34 am |
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csf Member 
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Very interesting! I would also be interested in how much these will coast and when they will be available. I am very much thinking about using a diy rgb led string set up for next year (currently thinking 20 strings totaling 2,192 rgb nodes)... I rather stick with LOR though if the product will be out for next year, and the price of a 50 node string is less then the 50 node CCR. I would definitely be wiling to cut down to about 1,500 nodes if I can stay in the same price range of the DIY system and stick with LOR.
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| Posted: Thursday November 25th, 2010 05:19 am |
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LightORamaJohn One of your administrators
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Ponddude wrote: Is the PLC adapter going to be available from LOR? Do you just plug a cat-5 cable from the RS485 adapter to the PLC adapter? Do you happen to have a release date for the controller? How about a pricing point? Of course we will sell the Injector and it has the same 3 network jacks as controllers. Probably around $40 -- but this is a wild guess. I haven't done any quantity pricing. You need one Injector for every 14 amps CCBs. A 50 bulb string is less than 0.2 amps. You shouldn't plug other stuff into the extension cords with the CCBs A controller and one string of 50 bulbs will be under $200, hopefully significantly under. The device is working and the firmware is done so we think that these will be available in quantity for the spring sale. I have a few hundred of the strings shown in the picture now, but I think getting the controller case made and dealing with the current parts shortages will consume several months.
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| Posted: Thursday November 25th, 2010 06:13 pm |
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heystew Member 
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hmm... looks like I may have jumped onto the RGB bandwagon a bit too early. I've committed quite heavily to running very similar RGB strings of lights from http://www.response-box.com/rgb/. To use them I have one iDMX-1000 controller, one 5VDC power supply, and one RGB node controller for every 4 strings. Each string is 50 RGB nodes. See picture below for the setup. Price wise it works out to be slightly cheaper than 4 CCR's. I did look at the CCR, but I preferred the string form factor. The strings appear to be very similar to those shown above for the CCB's. I'm fairly happy with the performance and products, but I knew there had to be a simpler way to drive RGB nodes from LOR. 
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| Posted: Monday November 29th, 2010 06:07 pm |
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heystew Member
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With the expanding use of RGB Nodes, are there thoughts/plans on how to expand the capacity of the LOR network? Adding RGB nodes greatly increases the bandwidth used. I'm currently running 4 networks to support 400 conventional channels and 20 strings of RGB nodes. I would like to expand my use of the RGB nodes (especially now that CCB's are coming) but I'm not sure that my network can handle it.
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| Posted: Tuesday November 30th, 2010 08:20 pm |
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Ponddude Member
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The newest version of the software we are beta testing (not available publicly yet) allows for up to 16 networks.
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| Posted: Tuesday November 30th, 2010 09:40 pm |
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Jeff Millard Member 
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Bob-O, Thank you for scrutinizing the manual so closely and drawing out the picture of the bulbs! John, Thank you for posting the picture, designing all the great stuff you design, and getting my hopes up so high for next year! Greg, We need to talk. You need to attend the party this year! (Mee tooo!) Dan, The night I first met you we were chatting with Glenn and he said you need to get into the LED business so we can buy from you. I had no idea you were gonna make these things. I'm in for a minimum of 8 sets on my first purchase. Add an option to double the number of lights in the string and I'll add the extensions to the order. Finally. Just what I wanted! Jeff
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| Posted: Thursday December 2nd, 2010 04:17 am |
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George Simmons Member 
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Jeez Jeff, it almost brings tears to my eyes and a lump to my throat to finally see your conversion to LED technology occur like this. How can we know it's really you saying these things and not someone who has hijacked your account?
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| Posted: Sunday December 12th, 2010 05:13 pm |
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dmoore Member
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LightORamaJohn wrote: The attached picture shows the string & prototype controller. You will notice that there are no network jacks on the controller. This is the first LOR controller to use PLC (Power Line Carrier) technology. You just plug these into extension cords and then plug the extension cord into an Injector which places the LOR or DMX data on the power line to the devices. LEDs are so low current that this scheme becomes practical because you can have so many on one 15 amp circuit. This looked pretty much like what David Petryk developed last year - a controller with LOR/DMX protocols, built-in power supply in the controller and the Power Line Carrier. Video showing the design in operation: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TAh1gg0u8Xk The only difference seems to be that the LOR unit has SPI control as where his design had a four channel LED controller with LED lights. Having seen the technology at the Lone Star Holiday event twice last year, I can attest to how amazing it was that you can run all your lights without signal cables. Did you guys buy this technology from him? Did you incorporate all his tricks within the firmware for the controller “MAC” addresses, controller grouping, controller-to-controller sync, etc? Last edited on Sunday December 12th, 2010 05:22 pm by dmoore |
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| Posted: Tuesday December 14th, 2010 12:14 am |
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HowardShank Member 
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John, A few questions! ...There are 50 1.5" bulbs on 4" centers. ... Q: So does that mean on the bulbs, 1 bulb = 1 pixel where in the CCR 3 LED's = 1 pixel? ...It is also likely that the production controller will control two bulb strings -- making it 2 * 157 channels.... Q: If this becomes reality, then will each string operate independent of each other then? Q: Will the controller be weatherproof? Q: Will there be extensions to place the lights further away from the controller? If so, how long? Q: What is the viewing arc/radius of the LED's? Since they look like bulbs, does the bulb glow like a traditional teardrop light? Q: What's the maximum length of power cord between the injector and the bulb controller/power unit?
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| Posted: Tuesday December 14th, 2010 02:22 am |
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ItsMeBobO Member
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I also have questions if you are able to answer them now before the product announcement. Can control two? If there is memory for two, can it be one long one with 100 pixels for smooth chase. The toward/away from controller limits mounting options. Can the #1..50 be settable in hardware utility to 50..1? Will any other spacing options be offered? or maybe a splicing kit with the same four paired wires.
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| Posted: Tuesday December 14th, 2010 07:20 pm |
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Steve Constantino Member 
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It looks like they are going to have a good product. There are way more uses for this type of strand rather then a ribbon. Also I hope they have more than one option for controlling it. Like DMX or Artnet or the standard 485 LOR network. Because Power Line Carrier SUCKS!!! I don't think it's that stable. It's to much like X10, I hate X10. As long as it can also have a separate data line it will be grate. This is how it should be done: http://www.response-box.com/rgb/ Steve
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| Posted: Tuesday December 14th, 2010 07:54 pm |
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dmoore Member
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Steve Constantino wrote: It looks like they are going to have a good product. There are way more uses for this type of strand rather then a ribbon. Also I hope they have more than one option for controlling it. Like DMX or Artnet or the standard 485 LOR network. Because Power Line Carrier SUCKS!!! I don't think it's that stable. It's to much like X10, I hate X10. As long as it can also have a separate data line it will be grate. Steve - I've got 2,000 RGB channels in my display this year and I can stay that, for me, I've found Pixel Strip (ribbon in LOR terms) and Pixel Modules (section of sealed strip) to be much more useful than Pixel Nodes (bulbs). The area where nodes seem to be useful is matrix or megatrees but for smaller elements, strip or modules are a much better bang for the buck than these 8mm RGB nodes. Keep in mind that to mount them, they require very accurate holes (usually 12.5mm) to grip the sides of the node and then the surface area is pretty shallow. Think about how you'd use the bulbs along a gutter, roof line, mini tree, bushes, etc. Here are some samples using modules and strip: http://www.vimeo.com/16366467 http://www.vimeo.com/13722462 http://www.vimeo.com/13382282 If you are thinking that the PLC stuff is like X10, you'd be wrong. I've seen this in operation and it appears to be nothing but rock solid. First off, all the power for the "signal injector" is filtered so all that is on the power line is the signal - nothing else to cause it problems or for it to have to deal with split phase, all which caused X10 to have a bad name. Also, DMX and the LOR protocol are completely unrelated to 485. 485 is to ethernet as TCP/IP is to DMX.
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| Posted: Tuesday December 14th, 2010 08:44 pm |
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Steve Constantino Member
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dmoore wrote: Steve Constantino wrote:It looks like they are going to have a good product. There are way more uses for this type of strand rather then a ribbon. Also I hope they have more than one option for controlling it. Like DMX or Artnet or the standard 485 LOR network. Because Power Line Carrier SUCKS!!! I don't think it's that stable. It's to much like X10, I hate X10. As long as it can also have a separate data line it will be grate. I like having pixel nodes. For me it seems more use full for Pixel mapping video. Curently I am using 100 of these for a job and they work grate. http://www.colorkinetics.com/ls/rgb/flexmx/ My dislike for X10 comes years of home automation. I have seen more X10 systems unreliable than reliable. I have removed many X10 systems to be replace with AMX or Crestron. I know PLC and X10 are different. BUT it's the "idea" of sending data over power that I don't like. DMX and LOR are both forms of RS485 so in a way they are related. Steve
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| Posted: Tuesday December 14th, 2010 10:13 pm |
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dmoore Member
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Steve Constantino wrote: dmoore wrote:Steve Constantino wrote:It looks like they are going to have a good product. There are way more uses for this type of strand rather then a ribbon. Also I hope they have more than one option for controlling it. Like DMX or Artnet or the standard 485 LOR network. Because Power Line Carrier SUCKS!!! I don't think it's that stable. It's to much like X10, I hate X10. As long as it can also have a separate data line it will be grate. I too understand the concern over X10, I've used it and I had it in my 30k HA system in my last house for selected functions, yes it has issues but they can often be dealt with. I'm not sure why technically it's a bad idea, is the same idea used in ethernet over power and also the new SmartMeters. So, it can be done correctly. Never the less, if you just want pixel nodes, that was possible this year for under $40 per controller (no PLC of course). It's the PLC that really makes these devices unique. I'm sorry but I just don't see how DMX and LOR are "forms" of RS485. RS485 is a standard that defines the method by which electrical signals transfer data. DMX and LOR are both "above" the hardware, hence why it runs over PLC - it's not a hardware spec, it's a protocol and could be run over anything (Ethernet, wireless, PLC, etc).
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| Posted: Friday December 31st, 2010 08:10 pm |
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dmoore, Now wait a minute. power over IP is this not power that is ran on one of the pairs that are not in use? Where as the PLC is a signal that is superimposed onto the wires carrying actual voltage and current? Slightly different animals these two are. Are they not?
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| Posted: Friday December 31st, 2010 09:54 pm |
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Jeff Millard wrote: The night I first met you we were chatting with Glenn and he said you need to get into the LED business so we can buy from you. I had no idea you were gonna make these things. I'm in for a minimum of 8 sets on my first purchase. Add an option to double the number of lights in the string and I'll add the extensions to the order. Jeff said WHAT?
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| Posted: Sunday January 2nd, 2011 03:17 am |
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dmoore Member
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Max-Paul wrote: dmoore, When I said "is the same idea used in ethernet over power and also the new SmartMeters" - I was refering to this: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Power_line_communication and not this (power over ethernet): http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Power_over_Ethernet which is sending low voltage over additional pairs in a CAT5 cable. Yes, they are two different things. LOR is using PLC. The RJ solution is more like POE (switching 485 with ethernet).
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